\setuparranging question

\setuparranging question

[Gerben Wierda]

How can I get the following arrangement:

2 A5 pages printed on one landscape A4 page
Order:
	-1 0
	1 2
	3 4
	5 6
	7 8
or in other words, no order which makes it ready for cutting/folding 
but just two A5 pages per A4 landscape in normal order, the way you 
would get it when you copy a book on A4 landscape.

(Even better would be to have alternate A4 printed pages upside down so 
you can print doublesided and then bind it so you can flip the document 
without having to turn the printout.)

Thanks,

G

Re: \setuparranging question

[Maarten Sneep]

Hi,

Try the psnup program and friends.

This will do exactly what you want (including the rotation for the  
double-sided printer at work) although it assumes a4 input. I assume  
you could remove the @0.7 parts (scaling), but please check the manpage  
(BTW these commands are part of your TeX distribution ;-):
	pstops -pa4 -q  
'4:0L@0.7(21cm,0)+1L@0.7(21cm,14.85cm),2R@0.7(0cm,29.7cm)+3r@0.7(0cm,14. 
85cm)'

It uses stdin and stdout as source and destination (but you can specify  
two files for in and out).

I figured the command out on linux, gv is you friend for these commands  
:-)

Regards,

Maarten

Whenever anyone says, "theoretically", they really mean, "not really".

On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 10:40 AM, Gerben Wierda wrote:

> How can I get the following arrangement:
>
> 2 A5 pages printed on one landscape A4 page
> Order:
> 	-1 0
> 	1 2
> 	3 4
> 	5 6
> 	7 8
> or in other words, no order which makes it ready for cutting/folding  
> but just two A5 pages per A4 landscape in normal order, the way you  
> would get it when you copy a book on A4 landscape.
>
> (Even better would be to have alternate A4 printed pages upside down  
> so you can print doublesided and then bind it so you can flip the  
> document without having to turn the printout.)

Re: \setuparranging question

[Gerben Wierda]

On Friday, Jul 18, 2003, at 20:45 Europe/Amsterdam, Maarten Sneep wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Try the psnup program and friends.

Can't I want to use pdftex. I also want to have this produced during my 
texexec run.

G
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Re: \setuparranging question

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Freitag, 18.07.03, um 10:40 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Gerben 
Wierda:

> 2 A5 pages printed on one landscape A4 page
> Order:
> 	-1 0
> 	1 2
> 	3 4
> 	5 6
> 	7 8
> or in other words, no order which makes it ready for cutting/folding 
> but just two A5 pages per A4 landscape in normal order, the way you 
> would get it when you copy a book on A4 landscape.
>
> (Even better would be to have alternate A4 printed pages upside down 
> so you can print doublesided and then bind it so you can flip the 
> document without having to turn the printout.)

I think arranging mode "2UP" will fit your needs, apart from the 
rotation.


Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: \setuparranging question

[Willi Egger]

Hi Gerben,

From: "Henning Hraban Ramm" <hraban@fiee.net>

> Am Freitag, 18.07.03, um 10:40 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Gerben
> Wierda:
>
> > 2 A5 pages printed on one landscape A4 page
> > Order:
> > -1 0
> > 1 2
> > 3 4
> > 5 6
> > 7 8
> > or in other words, no order which makes it ready for cutting/folding
> > but just two A5 pages per A4 landscape in normal order, the way you
> > would get it when you copy a book on A4 landscape.
> >
> > (Even better would be to have alternate A4 printed pages upside down
> > so you can print doublesided and then bind it so you can flip the
> > document without having to turn the printout.)
>
> I think arranging mode "2UP" will fit your needs, apart from the
> rotation.

"2UP" will produce a  booklet i.e. if your document would coutn 8 pages then
you get page 1 and 8 on the first sheet, 2 and 7 on the backside of the
first sheet....

There is also 2*2 arranging, which should give you the requested result.

Willi

Re: \setuparranging question

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Samstag, 19.07.03, um 12:39 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi Egger:
> "2UP" will produce a  booklet i.e. if your document would coutn 8 
> pages then
> you get page 1 and 8 on the first sheet, 2 and 7 on the backside of the
> first sheet....
>
> There is also 2*2 arranging, which should give you the requested 
> result.

Sorry, I mixed it up.
I meant "2SIDE".

(BTW: Can anyone explain me how to make a "3SIDE"?)

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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\setuparranging 3SIDE

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Sonntag, 20.07.03, um 15:01 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Henning 
Hraban Ramm:
> (BTW: Can anyone explain me how to make a "3SIDE"?)

OK, I just managed to define 3SIDE, but I don't understand
\poparrangedpagesTWO as far that I could make ...THREE

Hans or Taco, would you please? PLEASE! :-)

 From page-imp.tex:

\def\splitoffarrangedpagesTWO
   {\splittopskip\zeropoint
    \global\setbox\arrangedpageA\vsplit\arrangedpageB to \!!onepoint
    \scratchdimen\ht\arrangedpageB
    \advance\scratchdimen -\!!onepoint
    \ifdim\scratchdimen>\!!onepoint
      \setbox\scratchbox\vsplit\arrangedpageB to \scratchdimen
    \fi}

\installpagearrangement 2SIDE
   {\dosetuparrangement{2}{1}{2}{3}{2}%
      
\pusharrangedpageSIDETOP\poparrangedpagesTWO\handlearrangedpageSIDE}

\installpagearrangement 3SIDE
   {\dosetuparrangement{3}{1}{2}{4}{2}%
      
\pusharrangedpageSIDETOP\poparrangedpagesTHREE\handlearrangedpageSIDE}

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi Hraban,

You apparently understand this part of Hans' code a lot better than I do.
I only respond to remind you that Hans' is in Hawai (TUG2003) right now.

Greetings, Taco

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 22:57:39 +0200, Henning wrote:

> 
> Am Sonntag, 20.07.03, um 15:01 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Henning 
> Hraban Ramm:
> > (BTW: Can anyone explain me how to make a "3SIDE"?)
> 
> OK, I just managed to define 3SIDE, but I don't understand
> \poparrangedpagesTWO as far that I could make ...THREE
> 
> Hans or Taco, would you please? PLEASE! :-)
> 
>  From page-imp.tex:
> 
> \def\splitoffarrangedpagesTWO
>    {\splittopskip\zeropoint
>     \global\setbox\arrangedpageA\vsplit\arrangedpageB to \!!onepoint
>     \scratchdimen\ht\arrangedpageB
>     \advance\scratchdimen -\!!onepoint
>     \ifdim\scratchdimen>\!!onepoint
>       \setbox\scratchbox\vsplit\arrangedpageB to \scratchdimen
>     \fi}
> 
> \installpagearrangement 2SIDE
>    {\dosetuparrangement{2}{1}{2}{3}{2}%
>       
> \pusharrangedpageSIDETOP\poparrangedpagesTWO\handlearrangedpageSIDE}
> 
> \installpagearrangement 3SIDE
>    {\dosetuparrangement{3}{1}{2}{4}{2}%
>       
> \pusharrangedpageSIDETOP\poparrangedpagesTHREE\handlearrangedpageSIDE}
> 
> Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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groeten,

Taco

Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Montag, 21.07.03, um 11:06 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Taco 
Hoekwater:
> You apparently understand this part of Hans' code a lot better than I 
> do.
> I only respond to remind you that Hans' is in Hawai (TUG2003) right 
> now.

I thought you took part because there's something about
"Taco's challenge" in the code.
But Willi got it, now I hope it will work even for more
than a few pages...

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Willi Egger]

Hi Hraban,
> > (BTW: Can anyone explain me how to make a "3SIDE"?)
>
> OK, I just managed to define 3SIDE, but I don't understand
> \poparrangedpagesTWO as far that I could make ...THREE
>
> Hans or Taco, would you please? PLEASE! :-)

THE FOLLOWING IS NOT THE WAY ONE SHOULD ADD NEW FEATURES! - Humble but I do
not remember how to do it correclty.

Copy page-imp.tex to page-imp.org
Please insert the following code into page-imp.tex I would suggest just
before "% % handy for stickers"

% New pageimposition scheme 3SIDE by Willi Egger 21-07-2003

\installpagearrangement 3SIDE
   {\dosetuparrangement{3}{1}{6}{4}{2}%
        \pusharrangedpageTHREESIDE\poparrangedpagesAB\relax}

\def\pusharrangedpageTHREESIDE#1% Willi's approach
  {\doglobal\increment\arrangedpageN
   \reportarrangedpage\arrangedpageN
   \ifcase\arrangedpageN
   \or \handlearrangedpageXandY{#1}000\arrangedpageA %  1
   \or \handlearrangedpageXandY{#1}010\arrangedpageA %  2
   \or \handlearrangedpageXandY{#1}020\arrangedpageA %  3
   \or \handlearrangedpageXandY{#1}000\arrangedpageB %  4
   \or \handlearrangedpageXandY{#1}010\arrangedpageB %  5
   \or \handlearrangedpageXandY{#1}020\arrangedpageB %  6
        \poparrangedpages
   \fi}

Zou need te regenerate the format file to have this code working.

Hans please give advice how to do this properly whithout intruding into the
established ConTeXt-files!


Willi

Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am Montag, 21.07.03, um 11:15 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi Egger:

> THE FOLLOWING IS NOT THE WAY ONE SHOULD ADD NEW FEATURES! - Humble but 
> I do
> not remember how to do it correclty.

It does exactly what I looked for! Thank you VERY much!
Now I can finally print my planner pages (address book etc.)
every 3 on one A4 sheet.

> Hans please give advice how to do this properly whithout intruding 
> into the
> established ConTeXt-files!

And please keep it in the distribution, if you get back
from Hawaii! :-)

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Hans Hagen]

How about the XY option:

[copied from page-imp]

% % handy for stickers etc, this way we can treat them as page
%
% \setuppapersize [XY][A4]
% \setuppaper     [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm,dx=1mm,dy=1mm,nx=2,ny=6]
% \setuplayout    [page] [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm]
% \setuplayout    [page]
% \setuplayout    [location=middle]
% \setuparranging [XY]
% \showframe
%
% \starttext \dorecurse{30}{test \recurselevel \page} \stoptext

so, you can have any arrangement

Hans
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Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Willi Egger]

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Hi all,

o.k. may be that the XY solution is the way to go. However I do not get the
results I would expect.
I tried to make the header smaller, no result., I tried to get Knuth's text
typeset. but pagebreaking is unsatisfactory.

Well if you leave the A4 portrait as in the commented example code from
page-imp and you have only single lines /words to be typeset, then the
result is ok.

May be I do not understand the matter quite well....


I would like to ask you Hans, whether that is something which could be
corrected some time. - If you look at the different frames drawn by
showframe, the left margin sticks out of the border of the defined page.
This is true for any page drawn on the sheet. - According to my experience
this is always happens also outside this XY thing.


Willi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl>
To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] \setuparranging 3SIDE


>
> How about the XY option:
>
> [copied from page-imp]
>
> % % handy for stickers etc, this way we can treat them as page
> %
> % \setuppapersize [XY][A4]
> % \setuppaper     [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm,dx=1mm,dy=1mm,nx=2,ny=6]
> % \setuplayout    [page] [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm]
> % \setuplayout    [page]
> % \setuplayout    [location=middle]
> % \setuparranging [XY]
> % \showframe
> %
> % \starttext \dorecurse{30}{test \recurselevel \page} \stoptext
>
> so, you can have any arrangement
>
> Hans
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% % handy for stickers etc, this way we can treat them as page
\setupoutput[pdftex]
 \setuppapersize [XY][A4,landscape]
 \setuppaper     [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm,dx=1mm,dy=2mm,nx=3,ny=3]
 \setuplayout    [page] [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm]%,header=1.5\bodyfontsize
 \setuplayout    [page]
 \setuplayout    [location=middle]
 \setuparranging [XY]
 \showframe

% \starttext
%    \dorecurse{30}{\subject{Knuth \recurselevel} \par a few lines of text will follow \page}
% \stoptext

\starttext \dorecurse{30}{test \recurselevel \page} \stoptext

% % handy for stickers etc, this way we can treat them as page
%
% \setuppapersize [XY][A4]
% \setuppaper     [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm,dx=1mm,dy=1mm,nx=2,ny=6]
% \setuplayout    [page] [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm]
% \setuplayout    [page]
% \setuplayout    [location=middle]
% \setuparranging [XY]
% \showframe
%
% \starttext \dorecurse{30}{test \recurselevel \page} \stopte

Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Hans Hagen]

At 21:00 22/07/2003 +0200, you wrote:

>I would like to ask you Hans, whether that is something which could be
>corrected some time. - If you look at the different frames drawn by
>showframe, the left margin sticks out of the border of the defined page.
>This is true for any page drawn on the sheet. - According to my experience
>this is always happens also outside this XY thing.

... minimal example set needed ...

Hans
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Re: shifted \showframe: was :\setuparranging 3SIDE

[Willi Egger]

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Hi Hans,

Please find attached the most simple file I can produce and the accompagning
result

Willi


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To: <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] \setuparranging 3SIDE


>
> At 21:00 22/07/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >I would like to ask you Hans, whether that is something which could be
> >corrected some time. - If you look at the different frames drawn by
> >showframe, the left margin sticks out of the border of the defined page.
> >This is true for any page drawn on the sheet. - According to my
experience
> >this is always happens also outside this XY thing.
>
> ... minimal example set needed ...
>
> Hans
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\setupoutput[pdftex]

\setuppapersize[A4][A3]
\setuplayout[location=middle]

\starttext

\showframe

This is to show that the \type{\showframe} is generally shifted to the left.

\stoptext

Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Nigel King]

Willi,
I had a go at this and found two things that I do not understand;

\setuplayout    [page] [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm]
Did not adjust anything until the [page] was removed and then the
incorporated page seems to adjust appropriately. I do not understand the
significance of [page] in this sommand.

Also,
\setuppapersize [XY][A4]
You have changed this to
\setuppapersize [XY][A4,landscape]
This does not appear to work properly? Possibly a bug?
-- 
Nigel

Re: \setuparranging 3SIDE

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Nigel,


> \setuplayout    [page] [topspace=5mm,backspace=5mm]

well, the command \setuplayout is       

\setuplayout[...,...=...,...]


width		   <dimension> fit middle
height		   <dimension> fit middle
backspace	   <dimension>
topspace	   <dimension>
margin		   <dimension>


[....] so there is no place for a first argument.


> Also,
> \setuppapersize [XY][A4]
> You have changed this to
> \setuppapersize [XY][A4,landscape]
> This does not appear to work properly? Possibly a bug?

This would set XY on a4 landscape. What do you want to achieve?

Patrick

Re: \setuparranging question

[Gerben Wierda]

On Saturday, Jul 19, 2003, at 11:36 Europe/Amsterdam, Henning Hraban 
Ramm wrote:

> Am Freitag, 18.07.03, um 10:40 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Gerben 
> Wierda:
>
>> 2 A5 pages printed on one landscape A4 page
>> Order:
>> 	-1 0
>> 	1 2
>> 	3 4
>> 	5 6
>> 	7 8
>> or in other words, no order which makes it ready for cutting/folding 
>> but just two A5 pages per A4 landscape in normal order, the way you 
>> would get it when you copy a book on A4 landscape.
>>
>> (Even better would be to have alternate A4 printed pages upside down 
>> so you can print doublesided and then bind it so you can flip the 
>> document without having to turn the printout.)
>
> I think arranging mode "2UP" will fit your needs, apart from the 
> rotation.

No it doesn't. It produces a booklet format also. I get
	[3][0]
	[1][2]
on a 4-page document. While I want:
	[-1][0]
	[1][2]
	[3]


G