* Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good
@ 2011-03-23 16:23 Cecil Westerhof
2011-03-23 16:30 ` mathew
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I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but `
not.
I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best
(standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
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2011-03-23 16:23 Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good Cecil Westerhof
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From: mathew @ 2011-03-23 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:23, Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but `
> not.
> I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best
> (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
I think your expectations may be at fault.
In ConTeXt, ` is not "open quote", it is backtick. If you want an open
quote, you have to type one.
Typeset this text to see what I mean:
\starttext
` Backtick\crlf
' Apostrophe\crlf
‘ Open curly quote\crlf
’ Close curly quote
\stoptext
If you actually want backtick, perhaps you could say what you think is
wrong with it in Palatino?
mathew
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2011-03-23 16:30 ` mathew
@ 2011-03-23 17:19 ` Cecil Westerhof
2011-03-23 18:49 ` Pontus Lurcock
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From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2011-03-23 17:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2011/3/23 mathew <meta@pobox.com>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 11:23, Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but
> `
> > not.
> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the
> best
> > (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
>
> I think your expectations may be at fault.
>
You are completely right. That is why a mailing list like this is useful.
;-}
> In ConTeXt, ` is not "open quote", it is backtick. If you want an open
> quote, you have to type one.
>
> Typeset this text to see what I mean:
>
> \starttext
> ` Backtick\crlf
> ' Apostrophe\crlf
> ‘ Open curly quote\crlf
> ’ Close curly quote
> \stoptext
>
> If you actually want backtick, perhaps you could say what you think is
> wrong with it in Palatino?
>
Wrong is maybe not the correct word, but when compiling this code:
\starttext
` Backtick\crlf
' Apostrophe\crlf
‘ Open curly quote\crlf
’ Close curly quote
‘some quoted text’
“some doublequoted text”
\setupbodyfont[palatino,rm,12pt]
‘some quoted text’
“some doublequoted text”
\stoptext
Then I find the font from palatino better looking, but the default quotes
better as the palatino's.
I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
Attached my Xmopdmap.extra which incorperates these single and double
quotes.
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!! The following four codes are system dependend and should be checked before using.
!! alt gr 108
!! menu 135
!! windows 133
!! r-ctrl 105
keycode 108 = Mode_switch
keycode 135 = Multi_key
keysym grave = grave asciitilde leftsinglequotemark rightsinglequotemark
keysym 1 = 1 exclam onesuperior onequarter
keysym 2 = 2 at twosuperior onehalf
keysym 3 = 3 numbersign threesuperior threequarters
keysym 4 = 4 dollar foursuperior sterling
keysym 5 = 5 percent fivesuperior endash
keysym 6 = 6 asciicircum sixsuperior
keysym 7 = 7 ampersand sevensuperior emdash
keysym 8 = 8 asterisk eightsuperior
keysym 9 = 9 parenleft ninesuperior
keysym 0 = 0 parenright degree
keysym minus = minus underscore yen
keysym equal = equal plus notequal plusminus
keysym w = w W aring Aring
keysym e = e E EuroSign
keysym r = r R registered
keysym t = t T thorn Thorn
keysym f = f F ordfeminine
keysym backslash = backslash bar notsign brokenbar
keysym semicolon = semicolon colon trademark
keysym apostrophe = apostrophe quotedbl leftdoublequotemark rightdoublequotemark
keysym z = z Z Greek_omega Greek_OMEGA
keysym c = c C cent copyright
keysym m = m M masculine mu
keysym period = period greater ellipsis
keysym slash = slash question questiondown
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* Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good
2011-03-23 16:23 Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good Cecil Westerhof
2011-03-23 16:30 ` mathew
@ 2011-03-23 18:22 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2011-03-23 20:02 ` Cecil Westerhof
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Am 23.03.2011 um 17:23 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:
> I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but ` not.
> I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating System.
I made a short document with a few fonts: http://d.pr/h5tE
Source:
\newcounter\FontTestCounter
\define[1]\FontTest
{\increment\FontTestCounter
\definetypeface[mainface-\FontTestCounter][rm][specserif][#1]
\switchtobodyfont[mainface-\FontTestCounter]
\title{#1}
\startpacked
` Backtick\par
' Apostrophe\par
‘ Open curly quote\par
’ Close curly quote\par
- hyphen\par
– en dash\par
— em dash
\stoppacked
\blank
“Quote” and „quote“ and «more quotes»}
\starttext
\FontTest{Aller}
…
\stoptext
Wolfgang
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* Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good
2011-03-23 17:19 ` Cecil Westerhof
@ 2011-03-23 18:49 ` Pontus Lurcock
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From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2011-03-23 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed 23 Mar 2011, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
> I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
place rather than throughout the document.
Pont
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* Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good
2011-03-23 18:49 ` Pontus Lurcock
@ 2011-03-23 19:41 ` mathew
2011-03-23 20:06 ` Pontus Lurcock
2011-03-24 1:53 ` Miguel Queiros
2011-03-23 20:06 ` Cecil Westerhof
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From: mathew @ 2011-03-23 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 13:49, Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net> wrote:
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.
Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context
- An Excursion"?
mathew
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* Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good
2011-03-23 18:22 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2011-03-23 20:02 ` Cecil Westerhof
2011-03-23 20:22 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2011-03-23 20:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but
> ` not.
> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the
> best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
>
>
> How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the
> used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating
> System.
>
I work with minimals. How do I get the list?
> I made a short document with a few fonts: http://d.pr/h5tE
>
I choose (based on your document) ‘PT Serif’ for the moment.
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* Re: Which standard installed font displays ' and ` good
2011-03-23 18:49 ` Pontus Lurcock
2011-03-23 19:41 ` mathew
@ 2011-03-23 20:06 ` Cecil Westerhof
2011-03-23 20:13 ` Cecil Westerhof
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2011/3/23 Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net>
> On Wed 23 Mar 2011, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
>
> > I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
>
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.
>
Did not know that. Am I going to do.
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2011-03-23 19:41 ` mathew
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From: Pontus Lurcock @ 2011-03-23 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Wed 23 Mar 2011, mathew wrote:
> Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context
> - An Excursion"?
Not sure, but the Excursion is quite old and probably not intended to
be comprehensive. They're covered in the reference manual.
Pont
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2011/3/23 Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net>
> > I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
>
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.
>
It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening quote
low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote
not very helpful.
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2011-03-23 20:13 ` Cecil Westerhof
@ 2011-03-23 20:19 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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Am 23.03.2011 um 21:13 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:
> 2011/3/23 Pontus Lurcock <pont@talvi.net>
> > I have to change all my ‘quotes’ again.
>
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> place rather than throughout the document.
>
> It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening quote low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find:
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote
> not very helpful.
\setuplanguage
[<language>]
[leftquote=...,
rightquote=...,
leftquotation=...,
rightquotation=...]
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2011-03-23 20:02 ` Cecil Westerhof
@ 2011-03-23 20:22 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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Am 23.03.2011 um 21:02 schrieb Cecil Westerhof:
> 2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed, but ` not.
> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
>
>
> How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating System.
>
> I work with minimals. How do I get the list?
Look into the fonts folders. We can make a list of the available fonts with their typescripts/typefaces and put them on the wiki. There is also a list in Hans/Tacos new fonts manual.
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2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
>
> marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
>> place rather than throughout the document.
>>
>
> It looks like \quotation does what I want, but \quote puts the opening
> quote low and the wrong way around. How can I change this? I find:
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Reference/en/setupquote
> not very helpful.
>
>
> \setuplanguage
> [<language>]
> [leftquote=...,
> rightquote=...,
> leftquotation=...,
> rightquotation=...]
>
Works. Thanks.
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2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
> 2011/3/23 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>
>
>> > I am still experimenting. With the default ' is reasonably displayed,
>> but ` not.
>> > I liked palatino, but then even ' is not displayed nicely. What is the
>> best (standard installed) font where both ' and ` are good displayed?
>>
>>
>> How do you define a standard font, the list of available differes with the
>> used TeX distribution (TeX Live or context minimals) and your Openrating
>> System.
>>
>
> I work with minimals. How do I get the list?
>
>
> Look into the fonts folders.
>
I suppose you mean: texmf/fonts/? There I see:
drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 afm
drwxrwxr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 enc
drwxrwxr-x 4 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 map
drwxr-xr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 19 jan 2009 misc
drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 opentype
drwxrwxr-x 5 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 tfm
drwxrwxr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 9 okt 12:42 truetype
drwxrwxr-x 7 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2008 type1
drwxr-xr-x 3 cecil users 4,0K 28 jan 2009 vf
> We can make a list of the available fonts with their typescripts/typefaces
> and put them on the wiki.
>
Would be a good idea.
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> > It's advisable to use \quote{...} or \quotation{...} for quotation
> > marks. That way, if you do need to change them, you only do it in one
> > place rather than throughout the document.
>
> Now why the heck aren't those commands mentioned anywhere in "Context
> - An Excursion"?
I remembered seeing these commands somewhere, so I searched in the
wiki and found them:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Basic_Text_Formatting
Miguel
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