* Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text [not found] <mailman.828.1408351435.2240.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2014-08-19 8:48 ` Robert Blackstone 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Robert Blackstone @ 2014-08-19 8:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 18 Aug 2014, at 10:43 , Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote: wrote: > > Am 18.08.2014 um 09:29 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>: > >> >> On 17 aug. 2014, at 20:06, <joshua.kraemer@gmail.com> wrot >> >>> On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote: >>> >>>> A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but >>>> it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective >>>> work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility >>>> exists in mkiv,) >>> >>> I have not seen the issue you have described myself. The attached >>> example works for me. You have to prepare a minimal working example >>> that shows the problem. Maybe then somebody can identify the reason >>> for your issue. >>> >> >> But I have realized now, a bit late, that for real control over these distances one also needs to setup the section-head in a similar manner, additionally specifying the distance "before". >> The presence or absence of Frontmatter does not influence results. >> I think there must have been a setup command somewhere in my setups that I had forgotten about. > > You?re forgetting that \section insert also a space before the text is placed. In a case where two commands insert a space at the same position like here the larger value is used which comes in the second chapter from the \section command. > > Wolfgang Thank you, Wolfgang. I was not forgetting what you describe. Worse, I had not taken any notice, just accepting the default distances as they appeared, which generally seemed OK. I hope to be a bit ConTeXt-wiser now. Kind regards, Robert Blackstone ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text [not found] <mailman.819.1408298815.2240.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2014-08-18 7:29 ` Robert Blackstone 2014-08-18 7:57 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Robert Blackstone @ 2014-08-18 7:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 17 aug. 2014, at 20:06, <joshua.kraemer@gmail.com> wrot > On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote: > >> A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but >> it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective >> work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility >> exists in mkiv,) > > I have not seen the issue you have described myself. The attached > example works for me. You have to prepare a minimal working example > that shows the problem. Maybe then somebody can identify the reason > for your issue. > > ******************************************** Hello Joshua, Thanks for your reaction. The minimal example you gave works here as well, but it does not really concern the problem I had. When you add a section right at the beginning of the chapter, as is the case for nearly all of the chapters of my project, things become different. Here is your ME with sections added: =================================================== \starttext %\startfrontmatter %\input knuth %\stopfrontmatter \startbodymatter \setuphead [chapter] [ number=yes, alternative=middle, style=\tfa \bf, after={\blank[0.5cm]}, ] \chapter{One} \section{One a} \input knuth \setuphead [chapter] [ number=yes, alternative=middle, style=\tfa \bf, after={\blank[0.1cm]}, ] \chapter{Two} \section{Two a} \input knuth \stopbodymatter \stoptext =================================================== Despite different setups for the chapter head the distances: chapter head - section head - beginning of the text, are identical in both chapters (±1 pixel). But I have realized now, a bit late, that for real control over these distances one also needs to setup the section-head in a similar manner, additionally specifying the distance "before". The presence or absence of Frontmatter does not influence results. I think there must have been a setup command somewhere in my setups that I had forgotten about. Kind regards, Robert ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text 2014-08-18 7:29 ` Robert Blackstone @ 2014-08-18 7:57 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2014-08-18 7:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 18.08.2014 um 09:29 schrieb Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com>: > > On 17 aug. 2014, at 20:06, <joshua.kraemer@gmail.com> wrot > >> On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote: >> >>> A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but >>> it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective >>> work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility >>> exists in mkiv,) >> >> I have not seen the issue you have described myself. The attached >> example works for me. You have to prepare a minimal working example >> that shows the problem. Maybe then somebody can identify the reason >> for your issue. >> >> ******************************************** > Hello Joshua, > Thanks for your reaction. > The minimal example you gave works here as well, but it does not really concern the problem I had. > > When you add a section right at the beginning of the chapter, as is the case for nearly all of the chapters of my project, things become different. > Here is your ME with sections added: > > =================================================== > \starttext > > %\startfrontmatter > %\input knuth > %\stopfrontmatter > > \startbodymatter > > \setuphead [chapter] [ > number=yes, > alternative=middle, > style=\tfa \bf, > after={\blank[0.5cm]}, > ] > > \chapter{One} > \section{One a} > \input knuth > > \setuphead [chapter] [ > number=yes, > alternative=middle, > style=\tfa \bf, > after={\blank[0.1cm]}, > ] > > \chapter{Two} > > \section{Two a} > \input knuth > > \stopbodymatter > > \stoptext > =================================================== > Despite different setups for the chapter head the distances: chapter head - section head - beginning of the text, are identical in both chapters (±1 pixel). > But I have realized now, a bit late, that for real control over these distances one also needs to setup the section-head in a similar manner, additionally specifying the distance "before". > The presence or absence of Frontmatter does not influence results. > I think there must have been a setup command somewhere in my setups that I had forgotten about. You’re forgetting that \section insert also a space before the text is placed. In a case where two commands insert a space at the same position like here the larger value is used which comes in the second chapter from the \section command. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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* Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text [not found] <mailman.787.1407913635.2240.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2014-08-15 17:56 ` Robert Blackstone 2014-08-17 16:16 ` Joshua Krämer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Robert Blackstone @ 2014-08-15 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 904 bytes --] On 13 Aug 2014, at 09:07 Robert Blackstone <blackstone.robert@gmail.com> wrote > Is it possible, in mkiv, to fine-tune the distance between a chapter head and a section head, between the end of a section and the following section head, and between a section head and the beginning of the text? A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility exists in mkiv,) I admit having been a bit panicky because a tiny difference in layout between my testversions and the final product, with exactly the same setups, led to a result that more or less forced me to reposition and/or redimension most of my 520 carefully positioned floats, a few days before the deadline. Anyway, sorry for the noise. Best regards, Robert Blackstone [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1622 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 485 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Distances between chapter and section titles and text 2014-08-15 17:56 ` Robert Blackstone @ 2014-08-17 16:16 ` Joshua Krämer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Joshua Krämer @ 2014-08-17 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context-wvrSQK3plZs On 2014-08-15, 19:56, Robert Blackstone wrote: > A few days ago I posted this question. There were no reactions, but > it is not an urgent matter for me anymore since I found an effective > work-around. (Although I still wonder whether or not this possibility > exists in mkiv,) I have not seen the issue you have described myself. The attached example works for me. You have to prepare a minimal working example that shows the problem. Maybe then somebody can identify the reason for your issue. Kind regards, Joshua \starttext \startfrontmatter \input knuth \stopfrontmatter \startbodymatter \setuphead [chapter] [ number=yes, alternative=middle, style=\tfa \bf, after={\blank[0.5cm]}, ] \chapter{One} \input knuth \setuphead [chapter] [ number=yes, alternative=middle, style=\tfa \bf, after={\blank[0.1cm]}, ] \chapter{Two} \input knuth \stopbodymatter \stoptext ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context-wvrSQK3plZs@public.gmane.org / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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