* broken: noligature AND hyphenation
@ 2006-11-29 12:36 Steffen Wolfrum
2006-11-29 13:49 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2006-11-29 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi,
just by chance I experienced that there seems to be a problem with
ligatures and hyphenation in ConTeXt.
This is the example:
\usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
\setupencoding[default=texnansi]
\mainlanguage[de]
\enableregime[mac]
\setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt]
\starttext
Auflagen % the fl-ligature is wrong here
Auf\-lagen % this is the right fl
Auf\/lagen %this is the right fl
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
34567890 Auflagen % right hyphenation, but wrong ligature
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
34567890 Auf\-lagen % but this kills the other hyphenation Aufla-gen
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
34567890 Auf\/lagen % but this kills the other hyphenation Aufla-gen
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
34567890 Auf"-lagen % this is used in (La)TeX, but doesn'T work in
ConTeXt?!
% the next wrong causes an error (but would be perfect:
123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
34567890 Auf"|lagen % this is used in (La)TeX, but doesn'T work in
ConTeXt?!
\stoptext
What is needed is to ...
1) avoid the fl-ligature
2) preserve all the default hyphenation points
In TeX (or only LaTeX?) Auf"-lagen or Auf"|lagen would do this. But
what is the equivalent in ConTeXt?
Steffen
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* Re: broken: noligature AND hyphenation
2006-11-29 12:36 broken: noligature AND hyphenation Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2006-11-29 13:49 ` Hans Hagen
2006-11-29 14:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-11-29 14:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-11-29 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Hi,
>
> just by chance I experienced that there seems to be a problem with
> ligatures and hyphenation in ConTeXt.
>
> This is the example:
>
> \usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
> \setupencoding[default=texnansi]
> \mainlanguage[de]
> \enableregime[mac]
> \setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt]
>
> \starttext
>
> Auflagen % the fl-ligature is wrong here
>
> Auf\-lagen % this is the right fl
>
> Auf\/lagen %this is the right fl
>
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
> 34567890 Auflagen % right hyphenation, but wrong ligature
>
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
> 34567890 Auf\-lagen % but this kills the other hyphenation Aufla-gen
>
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
> 34567890 Auf\/lagen % but this kills the other hyphenation Aufla-gen
>
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
> 34567890 Auf"-lagen % this is used in (La)TeX, but doesn'T work in
> ConTeXt?!
>
> % the next wrong causes an error (but would be perfect:
> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012
> 34567890 Auf"|lagen % this is used in (La)TeX, but doesn'T work in
> ConTeXt?!
>
> \stoptext
>
>
>
> What is needed is to ...
> 1) avoid the fl-ligature
> 2) preserve all the default hyphenation points
>
> In TeX (or only LaTeX?) Auf"-lagen or Auf"|lagen would do this. But
> what is the equivalent in ConTeXt?
>
>
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* Re: broken: noligature AND hyphenation
2006-11-29 13:49 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2006-11-29 14:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-11-29 14:44 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2007-03-19 13:27 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2006-11-29 14:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-11-29 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
>>In TeX (or only LaTeX?) Auf"-lagen or Auf"|lagen would do this. But
>>what is the equivalent in ConTeXt?
>>
> \-
To be precise, make that Auf|\-|lagen.
Taco
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* Re: broken: noligature AND hyphenation
2006-11-29 13:49 ` Hans Hagen
2006-11-29 14:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-11-29 14:38 ` Steffen Wolfrum
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2006-11-29 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
No, unfortunately.
\- also kills the other hyphenation points (or do you still get Aufla-
gen?)
The same with \kern0em.
So we have the choice between wrong ligatures and automatic hyphenation
and avoided ligatures but only manually set hyphenations?
Steffen
Am 29.11.2006 um 14:49 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> just by chance I experienced that there seems to be a problem with
>> ligatures and hyphenation in ConTeXt.
>>
>> This is the example:
>>
>> \usetypescript[postscript][\defaultencoding]
>> \setupencoding[default=texnansi]
>> \mainlanguage[de]
>> \enableregime[mac]
>> \setupbodyfont[postscript,10pt]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> Auflagen % the fl-ligature is wrong here
>>
>> Auf\-lagen % this is the right fl
>>
>> Auf\/lagen %this is the right fl
>>
>> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789
>> 012
>> 34567890 Auflagen % right hyphenation, but wrong ligature
>>
>> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789
>> 012
>> 34567890 Auf\-lagen % but this kills the other hyphenation Aufla-gen
>>
>> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789
>> 012
>> 34567890 Auf\/lagen % but this kills the other hyphenation Aufla-gen
>>
>> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789
>> 012
>> 34567890 Auf"-lagen % this is used in (La)TeX, but doesn'T work in
>> ConTeXt?!
>>
>> % the next wrong causes an error (but would be perfect:
>> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789
>> 012
>> 34567890 Auf"|lagen % this is used in (La)TeX, but doesn'T work in
>> ConTeXt?!
>>
>> \stoptext
>>
>>
>>
>> What is needed is to ...
>> 1) avoid the fl-ligature
>> 2) preserve all the default hyphenation points
>>
>> In TeX (or only LaTeX?) Auf"-lagen or Auf"|lagen would do this. But
>> what is the equivalent in ConTeXt?
>>
>>
> \-
>
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* Re: broken: noligature AND hyphenation
2006-11-29 14:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-11-29 14:44 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2006-11-29 15:06 ` Taco Hoekwater
2007-03-19 13:27 ` Steffen Wolfrum
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2006-11-29 14:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
Yes, that's it!!
Thank you Taco!
(Great as always ...)
Steffen
Am 29.11.2006 um 15:01 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
>
>
> Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> In TeX (or only LaTeX?) Auf"-lagen or Auf"|lagen would do this. But
>>> what is the equivalent in ConTeXt?
>>>
>> \-
>
> To be precise, make that Auf|\-|lagen.
>
> Taco
>
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* Re: broken: noligature AND hyphenation
2006-11-29 14:44 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2006-11-29 15:06 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-11-29 15:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Yes, that's it!!
>
Thinkling of it like this helps: || is an operator that breaks the left
and right side into separate words. What you see inbetween is controlled
by the optional token inside the bars (the default is a dash).
Taco
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* Re: broken: noligature AND hyphenation
2006-11-29 14:01 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-11-29 14:44 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2007-03-19 13:27 ` Steffen Wolfrum
2007-03-20 6:24 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Steffen Wolfrum @ 2007-03-19 13:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Taco Hoekwater
Just for the records:
One has to be careful with this kind of avoiding ligatures.
In most cases it works perfect, but when the word moves towards the end of the line and should be broken
then the hyphen misses!
But I guess there is no solution that fits *both* situations: regularly on a line and cross lines?
Steffen
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:01:14 +0100, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>
> Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> In TeX (or only LaTeX?) Auf"-lagen or Auf"|lagen would do this. But
>>> what is the equivalent in ConTeXt?
>>>
>> \-
>
> To be precise, make that Auf|\-|lagen.
>
> Taco
>
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> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
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* Re: broken: noligature AND hyphenation
2007-03-19 13:27 ` Steffen Wolfrum
@ 2007-03-20 6:24 ` Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-03-20 6:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Taco Hoekwater
Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> Just for the records:
>
> One has to be careful with this kind of avoiding ligatures.
> In most cases it works perfect, but when the word moves towards the end of the line and should be broken
> then the hyphen misses!
>
> But I guess there is no solution that fits *both* situations: regularly on a line and cross lines?
>
not yet, luatex will be more clever
Hans
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