* metafun tryout @ 2002-06-24 11:57 Kris Hermans 2002-06-24 16:12 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Kris Hermans @ 2002-06-24 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, I am trying a simple metafun example: \starttext \startuseMPgraphic{dummy} fill fullcircle scaled 5cm withcolor red; \stopuseMPgraphic \useMPgraphic{dummy} \stoptext When I run this (texexec --pdf mf01), the system complains: ... systems : begin file mf01 at line 4 Randomizer initialized to 711885528. [MP mpgraph.1] [1.1{psfonts.map}{context.m ap}{msfonts.map}] systems : end file mf01 at line 9 [flush and process mpgraph.mp afterwards] )<cmr12.pfb> Output written on mf01.pdf (1 page, 3029 bytes). Transcript written on mf01.log. run time : 1 seconds generating graphics : metaposting mpgraph.mp TeXExec 2.8 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 metapost : mpgraph format : metafun initexmf: don't know how to dump metafun I can't find the default mem file! total run time : 0 seconds sorting and checking : running texutil TeXUtil 7.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2000 action : processing commands, lists and registers option : sorting IJ under Y option : converting high ASCII values input file : mf01.tui output file : mf01.tuo passed commands : 7 remapped keys : 0 register entries : 0 -> 0 entries 0 references synonym entries : 0 -> 0 entries embedded files : 1 total run time : 2 seconds I also ran "texexec --make metafun" and tried again: same results ... thanks, Kris. PS: my system is WindowsXP/MikTeX2.1 with its packaged ConTeXt installation ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-24 11:57 metafun tryout Kris Hermans @ 2002-06-24 16:12 ` Hans Hagen 2002-06-24 18:07 ` Kris Hermans 2002-06-24 19:36 ` David Petrou 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-24 16:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ConTeXt Mailing List At 01:57 PM 6/24/2002 +0200, Kris Hermans wrote: >I also ran "texexec --make metafun" and tried again: same results ... run texexec --make --alone metafun see where the mem file ends up copy it to the path where the efmt files reside run mktexlsr (or the miktex equivalent) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* RE: metafun tryout 2002-06-24 16:12 ` Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-24 18:07 ` Kris Hermans 2002-06-24 19:36 ` David Petrou 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Kris Hermans @ 2002-06-24 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw) What I did: cd C:\temp texexec --make --alone metafun This gives some output, but there is no file being generated in my C:\temp directory. So which file do I have to look for? Sorry for probably missing an obvious detail ... cheers, Kris. PS: here is the output of the command ... TeXExec 2.8 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 (C:\texmf\metapost\context\metafun.mp (C:\texmf\metapost\base\plain.mp Preloading the plain mem file, version 0.64) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-tool.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-spec.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-core.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-page.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-text.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-shap.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-butt.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-char.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-step.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-grph.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-grid.mp (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-form.mp (C:\texmf\metapost\base\string.mp) (C:\texmf\metapost\base\marith.mp (C:\texmf\metapost\base\string.mp)))) (C:\texmf\metapost\context\mp-func.mp) ) Beginning to dump on file metafun.mem (preloaded mem=metafun 2002.6.24) at most 2641 strings of total length 35075 37762 memory locations dumped; current usage is 10893&26776 1496 symbolic tokens Transcript written on metafun.log. TeX binary : pdfetex format(s) : metafun total run time : 0 seconds -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl [mailto:owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl]Namens Hans Hagen Verzonden: maandag 24 juni 2002 18:13 Aan: Kris Hermans CC: ConTeXt Mailing List Onderwerp: Re: metafun tryout At 01:57 PM 6/24/2002 +0200, Kris Hermans wrote: >I also ran "texexec --make metafun" and tried again: same results ... run texexec --make --alone metafun see where the mem file ends up copy it to the path where the efmt files reside run mktexlsr (or the miktex equivalent) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-24 16:12 ` Hans Hagen 2002-06-24 18:07 ` Kris Hermans @ 2002-06-24 19:36 ` David Petrou 2002-06-24 21:16 ` Mr. Lei Wang 2002-06-25 15:50 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-06-24 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kris Hermans, ConTeXt Mailing List > run texexec --make --alone metafun i'm also having trouble with making the metafun format, although my problem is slightly different. some history: this is the third or fourth time i'm writing either to this list or to individuals in trying to solve my problem. i'm hoping someone can help me this time. this is what happens: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bwv988 0/19 /usr/share/texmf# texexec --make --alone metafun TeXExec 3.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.3.1) (INIMP) ! I can't find file `metafun'. <*> metafun Please type another input file name: ! I can't find file `'. <*> metafun ---------------------------------------------------------------------- i'm trying to install the latest beta version of context (well, a version from a couple weeks ago) on top of TeTeX. i followed the context installation manual to the letter up to the command to make the metafun format. instead of doing what the manual says, i tried what hans suggested. (both ways fail the same way.) this is the only file that looks like metafun that i have: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bwv988 0/24 /usr/share/texmf# find . -name '*metafun*' ./metapost/context/metafun.mp ---------------------------------------------------------------------- is this the file that the previous command should process? any idea why it's not being found? yes, i ran mktexlsr. there are some more details on what i've done in previous posts i made to this list, but i don't think the details are relevant. i can dig them up though, if the solution to my problem isn't apparent. > Hans thanks, david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-24 19:36 ` David Petrou @ 2002-06-24 21:16 ` Mr. Lei Wang 2002-06-25 6:15 ` Kris Hermans 2002-06-25 15:50 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Mr. Lei Wang @ 2002-06-24 21:16 UTC (permalink / raw) When using "texexec --make --alone metafun" to generate metafun.mem , it must be in your $TEXMF/web2c/ or the current directory. Wang ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Petrou" <dpetrou@ece.cmu.edu> To: "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl> Cc: "Kris Hermans" <KrisHermans@advalvas.be>; "ConTeXt Mailing List" <ntg-context@ntg.nl> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: metafun tryout > > run texexec --make --alone metafun > > i'm also having trouble with making the metafun format, although my > problem is slightly different. > > some history: this is the third or fourth time i'm writing either to > this list or to individuals in trying to solve my problem. i'm hoping > someone can help me this time. > > this is what happens: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > bwv988 0/19 /usr/share/texmf# texexec --make --alone metafun > > TeXExec 3.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 > > This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.3.1) (INIMP) > ! I can't find file `metafun'. > <*> metafun > > Please type another input file name: > ! I can't find file `'. > <*> metafun > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > i'm trying to install the latest beta version of context (well, a > version from a couple weeks ago) on top of TeTeX. > > i followed the context installation manual to the letter up to the > command to make the metafun format. instead of doing what the manual > says, i tried what hans suggested. (both ways fail the same way.) > > this is the only file that looks like metafun that i have: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > bwv988 0/24 /usr/share/texmf# find . -name '*metafun*' > ./metapost/context/metafun.mp > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > is this the file that the previous command should process? any idea > why it's not being found? yes, i ran mktexlsr. > > there are some more details on what i've done in previous posts i made > to this list, but i don't think the details are relevant. i can dig > them up though, if the solution to my problem isn't apparent. > > > Hans > > thanks, > david > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* RE: metafun tryout 2002-06-24 21:16 ` Mr. Lei Wang @ 2002-06-25 6:15 ` Kris Hermans 2002-06-25 15:40 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Kris Hermans @ 2002-06-25 6:15 UTC (permalink / raw) Okay, somehow I managed to solve my problem. Recall that I used MikTeX 2.1 1. texexec --make --alone metafun This generates metafun.mem in %LOCALTEXMF%\miktex\fmt 2. Copy metafun.mem from %LOCALTEXMF%\miktex\fmt to %LOCALTEXMF%\miktex\mem 3. Refresh the filename database (I use the program "MikTeX Options") That did it for me. Thanks everyone! Kris. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl [mailto:owner-ntg-context@let.uu.nl]Namens Mr. Lei Wang Verzonden: maandag 24 juni 2002 23:17 Aan: ConTeXt Mailing List; dpetrou@ece.cmu.edu Onderwerp: Re: metafun tryout When using "texexec --make --alone metafun" to generate metafun.mem , it must be in your $TEXMF/web2c/ or the current directory. Wang ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Petrou" <dpetrou@ece.cmu.edu> To: "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl> Cc: "Kris Hermans" <KrisHermans@advalvas.be>; "ConTeXt Mailing List" <ntg-context@ntg.nl> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: metafun tryout > > run texexec --make --alone metafun > > i'm also having trouble with making the metafun format, although my > problem is slightly different. > > some history: this is the third or fourth time i'm writing either to > this list or to individuals in trying to solve my problem. i'm hoping > someone can help me this time. > > this is what happens: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > bwv988 0/19 /usr/share/texmf# texexec --make --alone metafun > > TeXExec 3.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 > > This is MetaPost, Version 0.641 (Web2C 7.3.1) (INIMP) > ! I can't find file `metafun'. > <*> metafun > > Please type another input file name: > ! I can't find file `'. > <*> metafun > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > i'm trying to install the latest beta version of context (well, a > version from a couple weeks ago) on top of TeTeX. > > i followed the context installation manual to the letter up to the > command to make the metafun format. instead of doing what the manual > says, i tried what hans suggested. (both ways fail the same way.) > > this is the only file that looks like metafun that i have: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > bwv988 0/24 /usr/share/texmf# find . -name '*metafun*' > ./metapost/context/metafun.mp > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > is this the file that the previous command should process? any idea > why it's not being found? yes, i ran mktexlsr. > > there are some more details on what i've done in previous posts i made > to this list, but i don't think the details are relevant. i can dig > them up though, if the solution to my problem isn't apparent. > > > Hans > > thanks, > david > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* RE: metafun tryout 2002-06-25 6:15 ` Kris Hermans @ 2002-06-25 15:40 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-25 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Mr. Lei Wang, ConTeXt Mailing List, dpetrou At 08:15 AM 6/25/2002 +0200, Kris Hermans wrote: >Okay, somehow I managed to solve my problem. Recall that I used MikTeX 2.1 > >1. texexec --make --alone metafun > > This generates metafun.mem in %LOCALTEXMF%\miktex\fmt > >2. Copy metafun.mem from %LOCALTEXMF%\miktex\fmt to %LOCALTEXMF%\miktex\mem >3. Refresh the filename database (I use the program "MikTeX Options") > >That did it for me. ah, so miktex uses different path for fmt and mem (if you want, you can configure the paths in texexec.ini in the miktex section) Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-24 19:36 ` David Petrou 2002-06-24 21:16 ` Mr. Lei Wang @ 2002-06-25 15:50 ` Hans Hagen 2002-06-26 21:04 ` David Petrou 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-25 15:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kris Hermans, ConTeXt Mailing List At 03:36 PM 6/24/2002 -0400, David Petrou wrote: > > run texexec --make --alone metafun > >is this the file that the previous command should process? any idea >why it's not being found? yes, i ran mktexlsr. > >there are some more details on what i've done in previous posts i made >to this list, but i don't think the details are relevant. i can dig >them up though, if the solution to my problem isn't apparent. what happens if you run texexec --make --alone metafun in the path where metafun.mp resides? when you got an metafun.mem, put it in the path that kpsewhich cont-en.efmt reports Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-25 15:50 ` Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-26 21:04 ` David Petrou 2002-06-27 16:48 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-06-26 21:04 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Kris Hermans, ConTeXt Mailing List > > > run texexec --make --alone metafun > > > >is this the file that the previous command should process? any idea > >why it's not being found? yes, i ran mktexlsr. > > what happens if you run > > texexec --make --alone metafun > > in the path where metafun.mp resides? ok, this works. is there something wrong with my tetex installation? > when you got an metafun.mem, put it in the path that > > kpsewhich cont-en.efmt > > reports ok, i did that: bwv988 metapost/context# kpsewhich cont-en.efmt /var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.efmt bwv988 metapost/context# mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.efmt but, my test doesn't work: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bwv988 0/266 ~/play_context> more play.tex \starttext Hello world. \stoptext bwv988 0/265 ~/play_context> texexec play TeXExec 3.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 executable : pdfetex format : cont-en inputfile : play output : standard interface : en current mode : none TeX run : 1 This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-13d-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.1) (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) run time : 0 seconds total run time : 0 seconds ---------------------------------------------------------------------- any ideas? > Hans thanks, david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-26 21:04 ` David Petrou @ 2002-06-27 16:48 ` Hans Hagen 2002-06-27 18:24 ` David Petrou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-27 16:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 05:04 PM 6/26/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > run texexec --make --alone metafun > > > > > >is this the file that the previous command should process? any idea > > >why it's not being found? yes, i ran mktexlsr. > > > > what happens if you run > > > > texexec --make --alone metafun > > > > in the path where metafun.mp resides? > >ok, this works. is there something wrong with my tetex installation? > > > when you got an metafun.mem, put it in the path that > > > > kpsewhich cont-en.efmt > > > > reports > >ok, i did that: >bwv988 metapost/context# kpsewhich cont-en.efmt >/var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.efmt >bwv988 metapost/context# mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.efmt ah, now you replaced context with metafun, texexec --make --alone en metafun mv cont-en.efmt /var/lib/texmf/web2c mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c is better Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-27 16:48 ` Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-27 18:24 ` David Petrou 2002-06-28 7:11 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-06-27 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context > >ok, i did that: > >bwv988 metapost/context# kpsewhich cont-en.efmt > >/var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.efmt > >bwv988 metapost/context# mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c/cont-en.efmt > > ah, now you replaced context with metafun, oh that was stupid of me. :) but when i run the texexec command what you suggested (texexec --make --alone en metafun), i get: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [pool size=221441]. \docopyvalue ... \@EA \@EA \csname #1#3\endcsname \@EA {\csname #2#3\endcsna... \next1 #1,->\docopyparameter {#1} \doprocesscommaitem <argument> ...ergrondraster ,\c!achtergrondkleur , \c!uitlijnen ,\c!onder ,\c... \doprocesscommalist ...aitem \gobbleoneargument #1 ,]\relax \global \advance ... \copylocalframed ...c!boven ,\c!strut ,\c!plaats ] \copyparameters [#1\c!acht... \dododefinieerplaatsblok ...localframed [\??fl #1] \stelplaatsblokin [#1] [\c... ... l.1826 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- so what i did instead was first run `texexec --make en nl' like the instructions suggest, and then run `texexec --make --alone metafun'. after moving the metafun.mem file, things work fine, except it takes REALLY long to process a simple one-line file. the docs say that things can take a long time if i made a mistake doing installation. but i really tried hard to follow the instructions to the letter. i'm appending below what a run looks like. (i actually ran it twice in case there were caching effects.) also we're still left with the mystery of why i had to run `texexec --make --alone metafun' from the directory that holds metafun.mp. another (smallish) mystery: the docs say to modify a file called `cont-sys.tex' to set certain defaults, etc. but this file doesn't exist. there are other files with different extensions. perhaps a doc typo? > Hans thanks, david ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bwv988 0/13 ~/play_context> texexec play TeXExec 3.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 executable : pdfetex format : cont-en inputfile : play output : standard interface : en current mode : none TeX run : 1 This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-13d-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.1) entering extended mode (play.tex[/var/lib/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg] ConTeXt ver: 2002.6.7 fmt: 2002.6.27 int: english mes: english language : language en is active <protectionstate 0> system : cont-new loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex! system (E-TEX) : [line 854] \dimexpr ) system : cont-old loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex loading : Context Old Macros ) system : cont-fil loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex loading : Context File Synonyms ) bodyfont : 12pt rm is loaded language : patterns 2:2-en-2 3:2-uk-2 4:2-de-2 5:2-fr-2 7:2-it-2 2-nl-2 l oaded specials : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded system : play.top loaded (./play.top) pdftex : needs map file: original-context-symbol.map pdftex : needs map file: pl0-ams-cmr.map pdftex : needs map file: original-vogel-symbol.map (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) (./play.tuo) systems : begin file play at line 1 [1.1] systems : end file play at line 3 ) Output written on play.dvi (1 page, 304 bytes). Transcript written on play.log. run time : 78 seconds sorting and checking : running texutil TeXUtil 7.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2000 action : processing commands, lists and registers option : sorting IJ under Y option : converting high ASCII values input file : play.tui output file : play.tuo passed commands : 7 remapped keys : 0 register entries : 0 -> 0 entries 0 references synonym entries : 0 -> 0 entries embedded files : 1 total run time : 78 seconds bwv988 0/14 ~/play_context> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-27 18:24 ` David Petrou @ 2002-06-28 7:11 ` Hans Hagen 2002-07-01 3:22 ` David Petrou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-06-28 7:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 02:24 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, David Petrou wrote: >but when i run the texexec command what you suggested (texexec --make >--alone en metafun), i get: > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [pool size=221441]. >\docopyvalue ... \@EA \@EA \csname #1#3\endcsname > \@EA {\csname > #2#3\endcsna... > >\next1 #1,->\docopyparameter {#1} > \doprocesscommaitem ><argument> ...ergrondraster ,\c!achtergrondkleur , > \c!uitlijnen ,\c!onder > ,\c... > >\doprocesscommalist ...aitem \gobbleoneargument #1 > ,]\relax \global > \advance ... > >\copylocalframed ...c!boven ,\c!strut ,\c!plaats ] > \copyparameters > [#1\c!acht... > >\dododefinieerplaatsblok ...localframed [\??fl #1] > \stelplaatsblokin [#1] > [\c... >... >l.1826 >---------------------------------------------------------------------- This is weird, and it looks like something is wrong with your system setup; >so what i did instead was first run `texexec --make en nl' like the >instructions suggest, and then run `texexec --make --alone metafun'. ok (btw, a next tetex can generate metafun formats as well but i still have to patch texexec for that) you can try texconfig -e or so, and uncomment the metafun line of it's there >after moving the metafun.mem file, things work fine, except it takes >REALLY long to process a simple one-line file. ok, then indeed something's wrong with your system, did you run mktexlsr (generate file database) >the docs say that things can take a long time if i made a mistake >doing installation. but i really tried hard to follow the >instructions to the letter. i'm appending below what a run looks >like. (i actually ran it twice in case there were caching effects.) when the file database is generated (ls-r files) tex programs become much faster in file lookup (now the slow down comes from locating font files and so) >also we're still left with the mystery of why i had to run `texexec >--make --alone metafun' from the directory that holds metafun.mp. has to do with the fact that until recently, tex installations did not generate metapost formats at the user's site >another (smallish) mystery: the docs say to modify a file called >`cont-sys.tex' to set certain defaults, etc. but this file doesn't >exist. there are other files with different extensions. perhaps a >doc typo? search for cont-sys.rme Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-06-28 7:11 ` Hans Hagen @ 2002-07-01 3:22 ` David Petrou 2002-07-01 12:21 ` Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-07-01 3:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context > >after moving the metafun.mem file, things work fine, except it takes > >REALLY long to process a simple one-line file. > > ok, then indeed something's wrong with your system, did you run > > mktexlsr yes. as i mentioned in previous postings, i ran `texconfig rehash' which runs `mktexlsr'. but just for the heck of it, i ran `mktexlsr'. it still takes about 80 seconds to process a very simple file. could it be that there are multiple databases on my system, and the wrong one is getting updated? any ideas what i should try or look for in debugging this? > >another (smallish) mystery: the docs say to modify a file called > >`cont-sys.tex' to set certain defaults, etc. but this file doesn't > >exist. there are other files with different extensions. perhaps a > >doc typo? > > search for cont-sys.rme i have ./tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme. modifying that didn't work. i copied it to cont-sys.ini in the same directory like i did with texexec.rme. then modifying the ini file worked fine. maybe this should be documented. i feel like i'm really close to actually using context for a project. now if only i can get it to run in a reasonable amount of time... > Hans thanks, david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-07-01 3:22 ` David Petrou @ 2002-07-01 12:21 ` Hans Hagen 2002-07-08 18:39 ` David Petrou 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2002-07-01 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context At 11:22 PM 6/30/2002 -0400, David Petrou wrote: > > >after moving the metafun.mem file, things work fine, except it takes > > >REALLY long to process a simple one-line file. > > > > ok, then indeed something's wrong with your system, did you run > > > > mktexlsr > >yes. as i mentioned in previous postings, i ran `texconfig rehash' >which runs `mktexlsr'. but just for the heck of it, i ran >`mktexlsr'. it still takes about 80 seconds to process a very simple >file. > >could it be that there are multiple databases on my system, and the >wrong one is getting updated? any ideas what i should try or look for >in debugging this? 80 sec is far too long; can you check if the ls-r files were updated? maybe a file permission problem > > >another (smallish) mystery: the docs say to modify a file called > > >`cont-sys.tex' to set certain defaults, etc. but this file doesn't > > >exist. there are other files with different extensions. perhaps a > > >doc typo? > > > > search for cont-sys.rme > >i have ./tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme. modifying that didn't work. >i copied it to cont-sys.ini in the same directory like i did with cont-sys.tex Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-07-01 12:21 ` Hans Hagen @ 2002-07-08 18:39 ` David Petrou 2002-07-08 20:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-07-08 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context sorry for the long email, but after a month of fiddling, i still can't use context. and from all the posts i've been reading on this mailing list, it seems great, and i can't wait to start. > >yes. as i mentioned in previous postings, i ran `texconfig rehash' > >which runs `mktexlsr'. but just for the heck of it, i ran > >`mktexlsr'. it still takes about 80 seconds to process a very simple > >file. > > 80 sec is far too long; can you check if the ls-r files were updated? maybe > a file permission problem this is what i see, as root, when remaking the databases: bash-2.04# texconfig rehash mktexlsr: Updating /var/lib/texmf/ls-R... mktexlsr: Updating /var/lib/texmf/db/ls-R... mktexlsr: Updating /var/cache/fonts/ls-R... mktexlsr: Done. when i `ls -l' each of those files, i see an updated time: bwv988 0/88 /var/lib/texmf> ls -l /var/lib/texmf/ls-R -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 2794 Jul 8 14:22 /var/lib/texmf/ls-R bwv988 0/89 /var/lib/texmf> ls -l /var/lib/texmf/db/ls-R -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 146928 Jul 8 14:22 /var/lib/texmf/db/ls-R bwv988 0/90 /var/lib/texmf> ls -l /var/cache/fonts/ls-R -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1153 Jul 8 14:22 /var/cache/fonts/ls-R bwv988 0/91 /var/lib/texmf> date Mon Jul 8 14:27:14 EDT 2002 finally, if i grep the first two files for the string `cont', i get many hits. i'm still stuck on how to get context to run in less than 80 seconds. let me describe how i installed it, maybe the problem will be apparent to you: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- i'm using tetex that comes with an old context. i want to replace this old context with the latest. so, i: su to root cp cont-tmf.zip to /usr/share/texmf go there and unzip cont-tmf.zip. remove the zip. cd context/perltk bash-2.04# ln -s fdf2tan.pl fdf2tan bash-2.04# ln -s fdf2tex.pl fdf2tex bash-2.04# ln -s makempy.pl makempy bash-2.04# ln -s mptopdf.pl mptopdf bash-2.04# ln -s texexec.pl texexec bash-2.04# ln -s texfind.pl texfind bash-2.04# ln -s texfont.pl texfont bash-2.04# ln -s texshow.pl texshow bash-2.04# ln -s texutil.pl texutil chmod 755 *pl now, from my TeTeX installation, /usr/bin/texexec is a symlink to /usr/share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texexec, which is an old texexec. so, what i do is make sure that /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk is before /usr/bin in my PATH environment variable to make sure that the new version will get run. (this is the only step that makes me worry. i'm positive that when i run `texexec' that the one i just installed is being invoked, but perhaps in the process of typesetting, some parts of the old context are being invoked.) add "map +context.map" to the end of /var/lib/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg and /usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg (which are the same file on my machine). go to /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk and copy texexec.rme to texexec.ini. texconfig rehash texexec --make en nl then, cd to where metafun.mp is (/usr/share/texmf/metapost/context/) and run: texexec --make --alone metafun then move metafun.mem to the directory output by kpsewhich cont-en.efmt: mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hans thanks, david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-07-08 18:39 ` David Petrou @ 2002-07-08 20:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2002-07-08 21:16 ` David Petrou 2002-07-09 8:03 ` Siep 2002-07-10 21:46 ` David Petrou 2 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2002-07-08 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Am Montag, 8. Juli 2002 20:39 schrieb David Petrou: > now, from my TeTeX installation, /usr/bin/texexec is a symlink to > /usr/share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texexec, which is an old > texexec. so, what i do is make sure that > /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk is before /usr/bin in my PATH > environment variable to make sure that the new version will get run. On my teTeX (SuSe 7.3) I replaced the old binaries with symlinks to the perl scripts. > go to /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk and copy texexec.rme to > texexec.ini. Did you ensure the following line in texexec.ini: set TeXShell to tetex > texconfig rehash > texexec --make en nl The formats are created? ("texexec --make" is enough -- you'll get metfun, too) > then move metafun.mem to the directory output by kpsewhich > cont-en.efmt: > mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c perhaps texhash again. What gives "texexec --verbose"? Grüßlis vom Hraban! -- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ --- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-07-08 20:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2002-07-08 21:16 ` David Petrou 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-07-08 21:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context > > now, from my TeTeX installation, /usr/bin/texexec is a symlink to > > /usr/share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texexec, which is an old > > texexec. so, what i do is make sure that > > /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk is before /usr/bin in my PATH > > environment variable to make sure that the new version will get run. > > On my teTeX (SuSe 7.3) I replaced the old binaries with symlinks to the perl > scripts. i'll try this later to see if it makes a difference. the only way i imagine it could make a difference is if texexec or anything it runs calls programs directly from /usr/bin instead of honoring the path env var. > > go to /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk and copy texexec.rme to > > texexec.ini. > > Did you ensure the following line in texexec.ini: > set TeXShell to tetex yup. i have two files that are texexec.ini: bwv988 0/4 /usr/share/texmf> find . -name texexec.ini ./context/config/texexec.ini ./context/perltk/texexec.ini both have that line. > > texconfig rehash > > > texexec --make en nl > > The formats are created? > ("texexec --make" is enough -- you'll get metfun, too) nope. for reasons i don't understand, i needed to do the metafun step separately. (see the posts between hans and i on this list for more info.) > > then move metafun.mem to the directory output by kpsewhich > > cont-en.efmt: > > mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c > > perhaps texhash again. i've done that. many times. > What gives "texexec --verbose"? here you go. hope it helps: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- bwv988 0/12 ~> which texexec /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk/texexec bwv988 0/13 ~> texexec --verbose TeXExec 3.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2002 locating ini file : found by kpsewhich reading : /usr/share/texmf/context/config/texexec.ini setting : 'TeXShell' to 'tetex' for 'all' setting : 'UsedInterfaces' to 'en,nl,de,uk' for 'all' setting : 'UserInterface' to 'en' for 'all' setting : 'TeXExecutable' to 'tex' for 'all' setting : 'MpExecutable' to 'mpost' for 'all' setting : 'MpToTeXExecutable' to 'mpto' for 'all' setting : 'DviToMpExecutable' to 'dvitomp' for 'all' setting : 'UsedInterfaces' to 'en,nl,de,uk' for 'tetex' setting : 'UserInterface' to 'en' for 'tetex' setting : 'TeXExecutable' to 'pdfetex' for 'tetex' used setting : TeXShell = tetex used setting : SetupPath = used setting : UserInterface = en used setting : UsedInterfaces = en,nl,de,uk used setting : TeXFontsPath = . used setting : MpExecutable = mpost used setting : MpToTeXExecutable = mpto used setting : DviToMpExecutable = dvitomp used setting : TeXProgramPath = used setting : TeXFormatPath = used setting : ConTeXtPath = used setting : TeXScriptsPath = used setting : TeXExecutable = pdfetex used setting : TeXVirginFlag = -ini used setting : TeXBatchFlag = -int=batchmode used setting : MpBatchFlag = -int=batchmode used setting : TeXPassString = used setting : TeXFormatFlag = used setting : MpFormatFlag = used setting : MpVirginFlag = -ini used setting : MpPassString = used setting : MpFormat = metafun used setting : MpFormatPath = used setting : FmtLanguage = used setting : FmtBodyFont = used setting : FmtResponse = used setting : TcXPath = used setting : SetFile = applications will use : /etc/texmf/texmf.cnf locating fmtutil : /usr/bin/fmtutil --help overview of all options and their values --help all all about all options --help short just the main options --help mode ... pdf all about a few options --help '*.pdf' all about options containing 'pdf' total run time : 0 seconds ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Grüßlis vom Hraban! thanks! david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-07-08 18:39 ` David Petrou 2002-07-08 20:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2002-07-09 8:03 ` Siep 2002-07-10 21:48 ` David Petrou 2002-07-10 21:46 ` David Petrou 2 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Siep @ 2002-07-09 8:03 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:39:21 -0400 "David Petrou" <dpetrou@ece.cmu.edu> wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---- i'm using tetex that comes with an old context. i want to > replace this old context with the latest. so, i: > > su to root > > cp cont-tmf.zip to /usr/share/texmf > go there and unzip cont-tmf.zip. > remove the zip. > > cd context/perltk > bash-2.04# ln -s fdf2tan.pl fdf2tan > bash-2.04# ln -s fdf2tex.pl fdf2tex > bash-2.04# ln -s makempy.pl makempy > bash-2.04# ln -s mptopdf.pl mptopdf > bash-2.04# ln -s texexec.pl texexec > bash-2.04# ln -s texfind.pl texfind > bash-2.04# ln -s texfont.pl texfont > bash-2.04# ln -s texshow.pl texshow > bash-2.04# ln -s texutil.pl texutil > > chmod 755 *pl > > now, from my TeTeX installation, /usr/bin/texexec is a symlink to > /usr/share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texexec, which is an > old texexec. so, what i do is make sure that > /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk is before /usr/bin in my PATH > environment variable to make sure that the new version will get > run. In later versions of tetex, texexec is a script which calls the real texexec.pl: ===================================== #!/bin/sh # find out which program is wanted by # removing everything from the first parameter # up to and including the last forward slash. # there are symlinks to texexec, so this script may also be # called as texutil what=`echo $0 | sed 's@.*/@@'` # find the exact location of $what.pl p=`kpsewhich -progname=context -format='other text files' $what.pl` { test -n "$p" && test -f "$p"; } \ || { echo "\`$what.pl' not found."; exit 1; } # run the script perl "$p" "$@" ==================================== So if your teTeX is recent enough then you can leave the perl scripts where they are. This may have nothing to do with your problem, but it does simplify installation. -- Siep Kroonenberg siep@elvenkind.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-07-09 8:03 ` Siep @ 2002-07-10 21:48 ` David Petrou 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-07-10 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context > > now, from my TeTeX installation, /usr/bin/texexec is a symlink to > > /usr/share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texexec, which is an > > old texexec. so, what i do is make sure that > > /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk is before /usr/bin in my PATH > > environment variable to make sure that the new version will get > > run. > > In later versions of tetex, texexec is a script which calls > the real texexec.pl: [...] > So if your teTeX is recent enough then you can leave the perl scripts > where they are. aha. well, my tetex isn't recent enough for that. as i just posted to this list, I had to mod the symlinks in /usr/bin to get context to work properly. i hope this will be documented to save future users a lot of pain. > Siep Kroonenberg > siep@elvenkind.com thanks, david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: metafun tryout 2002-07-08 18:39 ` David Petrou 2002-07-08 20:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2002-07-09 8:03 ` Siep @ 2002-07-10 21:46 ` David Petrou 2 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: David Petrou @ 2002-07-10 21:46 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: ntg-context Well, I finally got context to take a reasonably amount of time (2 seconds) on teTeX. I'm hoping this email will do two things: (1) help others with 80+ second compile times, and (2) prevent this problem from occuring to others in the future. On the latter point, while I can explain what I did to fix to problem, I do not fully understand why the problem occurred (although I have a theory). I'm hoping whoever knows more than I can make the necessary fix to context itself, and / or its documentation. As I mentioned in previous emails, I installed a new copy of context on my teTeX installation. To ensure that the new versions of programs like texexec, etc would be run, instead of the symlinks put in /usr/bin by the tetex installation, I simply put /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk/ ahead of /usr/bin in my path. It appears that that wasn't enough, however. Even after repeatedly remaking the ls-lR hashes, context compilation was excruciatingly slow. I had a hunch that texexec or something that it called was then calling out to old versions in /usr/bin. So what I did was change the symlinks there to point to the new context files. That is, on my tetex installation, the original symlinks were: bash-2.04# ls -l texexec texshow texutil lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Aug 31 2001 texexec -> ../share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texexec lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Aug 31 2001 texshow -> ../share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texshow lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Aug 31 2001 texutil -> ../share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texutil I made them point to their scripts in /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk: ln -sf /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk/texexec.pl /usr/bin/texexec ln -sf /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk/texshow.pl /usr/bin/texshow ln -sf /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk/texutil.pl /usr/bin/texutil Now I can actually use context. thanks, david On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 02:39:21PM -0400, David Petrou wrote: > sorry for the long email, but after a month of fiddling, i still can't > use context. and from all the posts i've been reading on this mailing > list, it seems great, and i can't wait to start. > > > >yes. as i mentioned in previous postings, i ran `texconfig rehash' > > >which runs `mktexlsr'. but just for the heck of it, i ran > > >`mktexlsr'. it still takes about 80 seconds to process a very simple > > >file. > > > > 80 sec is far too long; can you check if the ls-r files were updated? maybe > > a file permission problem > > this is what i see, as root, when remaking the databases: > > bash-2.04# texconfig rehash > mktexlsr: Updating /var/lib/texmf/ls-R... > mktexlsr: Updating /var/lib/texmf/db/ls-R... > mktexlsr: Updating /var/cache/fonts/ls-R... > mktexlsr: Done. > > when i `ls -l' each of those files, i see an updated time: > > bwv988 0/88 /var/lib/texmf> ls -l /var/lib/texmf/ls-R > -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 2794 Jul 8 14:22 /var/lib/texmf/ls-R > bwv988 0/89 /var/lib/texmf> ls -l /var/lib/texmf/db/ls-R > -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 146928 Jul 8 14:22 /var/lib/texmf/db/ls-R > bwv988 0/90 /var/lib/texmf> ls -l /var/cache/fonts/ls-R > -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1153 Jul 8 14:22 /var/cache/fonts/ls-R > bwv988 0/91 /var/lib/texmf> date > Mon Jul 8 14:27:14 EDT 2002 > > finally, if i grep the first two files for the string `cont', i get > many hits. > > i'm still stuck on how to get context to run in less than 80 seconds. > let me describe how i installed it, maybe the problem will be apparent > to you: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > i'm using tetex that comes with an old context. i want to replace > this old context with the latest. so, i: > > su to root > > cp cont-tmf.zip to /usr/share/texmf > go there and unzip cont-tmf.zip. > remove the zip. > > cd context/perltk > bash-2.04# ln -s fdf2tan.pl fdf2tan > bash-2.04# ln -s fdf2tex.pl fdf2tex > bash-2.04# ln -s makempy.pl makempy > bash-2.04# ln -s mptopdf.pl mptopdf > bash-2.04# ln -s texexec.pl texexec > bash-2.04# ln -s texfind.pl texfind > bash-2.04# ln -s texfont.pl texfont > bash-2.04# ln -s texshow.pl texshow > bash-2.04# ln -s texutil.pl texutil > > chmod 755 *pl > > now, from my TeTeX installation, /usr/bin/texexec is a symlink to > /usr/share/texmf/teTeX/bin/i386-linux-glibc/texexec, which is an old > texexec. so, what i do is make sure that > /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk is before /usr/bin in my PATH > environment variable to make sure that the new version will get run. > > (this is the only step that makes me worry. i'm positive that when i > run `texexec' that the one i just installed is being invoked, but > perhaps in the process of typesetting, some parts of the old context > are being invoked.) > > add "map +context.map" to the end of > /var/lib/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg and > /usr/share/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg (which are the same file on > my machine). > > go to /usr/share/texmf/context/perltk and copy texexec.rme to > texexec.ini. > > texconfig rehash > > texexec --make en nl > > then, cd to where metafun.mp is (/usr/share/texmf/metapost/context/) > > and run: > texexec --make --alone metafun > > then move metafun.mem to the directory output by kpsewhich > cont-en.efmt: > mv metafun.mem /var/lib/texmf/web2c > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Hans > > thanks, > david ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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