[ConTeXt] Footnoteproblems, bTABLE problems

[ConTeXt] Footnoteproblems, bTABLE problems

[Tobias Burnus]

Hi,

has someone a good idea for workarounds for:

a) Footnotes in \midaligned{foo\footnote{}}
(The number appears, but not the footnote text (definition)

b) Footnotes in TABLE, they apprear at least 3 times
(as local as well as global footnotes)

c) I use TABLE with nr and nc. nr works ok, but for nc the text cannot
extend the width of one cell (the border is usually drawn correctly)

I need to find fixes or work around very soon:
- Internal deadline: This evening
- Extended deadline: Tomorrow
- Big printing (ultimately latest deadline): Monday morning at 9.00.00.

I would prefer not do do fixes on Sunday night since these may change the
hyphenation etc. which coses tons of time...

Tobias

Re: [ConTeXt] Footnoteproblems, bTABLE problems

[Hans Hagen]

Hi impatient Tobias ...

has someone a good idea for workarounds for:

>a) Footnotes in \midaligned{foo\footnote{}}
>(The number appears, but not the footnote text (definition)

this is due to inserst not capable of migrating from nested boxes (tex 
limitation); postponing and flusging notes works ok; will send you 
alternative for your code using head's (which have it built in).

\definehead[Tobias][title] \setuphead[Tobias][align=middle]

\Tobias{Fachschaftsinitiative Physik \footnote{some kind of footnote}}

>b) Footnotes in TABLE, they apprear at least 3 times
>(as local as well as global footnotes)

i fixed that (aproximation btw); there are a few places in context where 
multiple passes over content are done, i such cases one can use 
\iftrialtypesetting to catch unwanted behavior. I kind of built it into 
TABLE now, so your case should work;

actually, that was easy, but the fuzzy flush of footnotes in legends took 
me more than this morning -)

\startlocalfootnotes[n=0,location={text,none}] % watch the 0 i.e. no 
formatting, and none, i.e. no boxing

\placetable
   {Schematischer Studienaufbau des Sommersemesters 1994 [3].}
   {\placelegend[n=2]{\getbuffer}{\placelocalfootnotes}}            % watch 
the n=2, columns here

\stoplocalfootnotes

>c) I use TABLE with nr and nc. nr works ok, but for nc the text cannot
>extend the width of one cell (the border is usually drawn correctly)

for that i need a minimal example (and time)

>I need to find fixes or work around very soon:
>- Internal deadline: This evening
>- Extended deadline: Tomorrow
>- Big printing (ultimately latest deadline): Monday morning at 9.00.00.
>
>I would prefer not do do fixes on Sunday night since these may change the
>hyphenation etc. which coses tons of time...

sorry for delays, my time is limited (have to go to the usa next week for 
the texpeople-adobe pdf-meeting and need to prepare a few things)

I will send you a new zip (and cross my fingers that i didn't break code)

Hans
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Re: [ConTeXt] Footnoteproblems, bTABLE problems

[Tobias Burnus]

Hi Hans,

> Hi impatient Tobias ...
;-) Well at the moment I'm really under pressure, but you seem to be under
pressure as well.
(Here the question was asked: LaTeX is still more stable, isn't it? And I
have the feeling that this is not completely wrong ...)

> i fixed that (aproximation btw); there are a few places in context where
> multiple passes over content are done, i such cases one can use
> \iftrialtypesetting to catch unwanted behavior. I kind of built it into
> TABLE now, so your case should work;
It does  :-)

> >c) I use TABLE with nr and nc. nr works ok, but for nc the text cannot
> >extend the width of one cell (the border is usually drawn correctly)
>
> for that i need a minimal example (and time)
here comes one. By the way the time problem applies also to me ...
but I hope that I can work around that problem.

Tobias

Example:
--------------
\bTABLE
\bTR
 \bTH foo \eTH
 \bTH This is a very, very, very really long cell \eTH
\eTR
\bTR
 \bTD[nc=2] This is also a very, very, very really long combined cell\eTD
\eTR
\eTABLE
\bye
----------------
The first column is very wide, but need to be if the text of the [nc=2]
cell would also be shown under the second column.

Re: [ConTeXt] Footnoteproblems, bTABLE problems

[Hans Hagen]

At 08:09 PM 1/3/2002 +0100, Tobias Burnus wrote:
>Hi Hans,
>
> > Hi impatient Tobias ...
>;-) Well at the moment I'm really under pressure, but you seem to be under
>pressure as well.
>(Here the question was asked: LaTeX is still more stable, isn't it? And I
>have the feeling that this is not completely wrong ...)

it depends on what features you use;

- latex has a relatively small kernel compared to context; on the other 
hand there is quite some code in context that can be considered stable and 
not touched frequently

- you are one of the users using recent code and new features; these can 
have an 'under construction' tag;

- some features - like tricky footnote stuff - will always be fragile due 
to the way tex works; take footnotes inside boxes; i use some tricks to 
move them to the outer level, but testing (and improving) this is a matter 
of time; another problem with footnotes is that one has to apply some magic 
in order to 'reprocess' them under a different layout regime (which happens 
in the case of local footnotes or text/par notes).

- other code is stable but incomplete, for instance transparency support: 
by using it i find the border cases and can improve things; as with fonts, 
color is sensitive for local / mvl usage but i think that currently it works ok

- occasionally i'm speeding up some code, and there i hope that 
compatibility is not broken

i have no experience with latex apart from the versions around 1990 but if 
i look at the amount of problems reported at the pdftex list ... you 
probably should compare context with latex+manypackages

> > i fixed that (aproximation btw); there are a few places in context where
> > multiple passes over content are done, i such cases one can use
> > \iftrialtypesetting to catch unwanted behavior. I kind of built it into
> > TABLE now, so your case should work;
>It does  :-)

that's another thing: preventing redundant processing; take a box that ends 
up on more pages that has toc entries embedded (this is a problem that is 
related to working on spreads and i will solve it some day soon; again this 
would be easier with a couple of low level tex features)

> > >c) I use TABLE with nr and nc. nr works ok, but for nc the text cannot
> > >extend the width of one cell (the border is usually drawn correctly)
> >
> > for that i need a minimal example (and time)
>here comes one. By the way the time problem applies also to me ...
>but I hope that I can work around that problem.

ok, keep in mind that the TABLE support is tricky in the sense that one has to

- do wild guesses about the content
- do prerolls to determine dimensions
- permit color, spacing etc
- support backgrounds, frames etc
- apply decimal alignment etc

all kind of progrwammed from scratch without help from tex's unidirectional 
alignment features.

>Tobias
>
>Example:
>--------------
>\bTABLE
>\bTR
>  \bTH foo \eTH
>  \bTH This is a very, very, very really long cell \eTH
>\eTR
>\bTR
>  \bTD[nc=2] This is also a very, very, very really long combined cell\eTD
>\eTR
>\eTABLE
>\bye
>----------------
>The first column is very wide, but need to be if the text of the [nc=2]
>cell would also be shown under the second column.

i'll have a look; looks like the span is ignored (you can set 
option=stretch to get it working but that's not meant for that purpose); i 
think something got lost when i added some config options; because there 
are some preferemces/decissions involved, i want to make things 
configurable (maybe strategoes some day). I'll send you a fix (please let 
me know if it breaks other code).

Hans
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