MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[Peter Münster]

Hello,

"texexec --make --all --luatex" creates cont-en.lua and cont-en.luc but no
cont-en.fmt
But "texexec --luatex test" seems to need an fmt-file:

This is luaTeX, Version 3.141592-beta-0.10.2-2007081316 (Web2C 7.5.6)
luatex: /opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en.fmt: No such file or directory
LuaTools | running command: luatex --fmt="/opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en" --lua="/opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en.luc" "test.tex"

Where could be the problem?

TIA for any hint!
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Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:12:56 -0600, Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> "texexec --make --all --luatex" creates cont-en.lua and cont-en.luc but  
> no
> cont-en.fmt
> But "texexec --luatex test" seems to need an fmt-file:
>
> This is luaTeX, Version 3.141592-beta-0.10.2-2007081316 (Web2C 7.5.6)
> luatex:  
> /opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en.fmt:  
> No such file or directory
> LuaTools | running command: luatex  
> --fmt="/opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en"  
> --lua="/opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en.luc"  
> "test.tex"
>
> Where could be the problem?

I have had the same problem on windows. "texexec --luatex test" will  
create a spurious cache directory and then proceed to search it:

1. Check to see if it works from the scite script cscite in unix  
(cscite.bat on windows).

2. If you can run luatex from scite then just save the scite script to a  
different name and edit it to launch your application (editor or shell).

This is how I got mkiv to work on windows.

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:12:56 -0600, Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr> wrote:
> 
> > /opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en.fmt:  
> > No such file or directory

> I have had the same problem on windows. "texexec --luatex test" will  
> create a spurious cache directory and then proceed to search it:
> 
> 1. Check to see if it works from the scite script cscite in unix  
> (cscite.bat on windows).

The only cscite-file on my system is "context/data/cscite.rme"...

> 2. If you can run luatex from scite then just save the scite script to a  
> different name and edit it to launch your application (editor or shell).

No, I use emacs and bash...

I think, at first I need the answers to the following questions:
Does luatex need an fmt-file?
- If no, why does luatex complain?
- If yes, how do I generate it, since format-generation produces only
  cont-en.luc and cont-en.lua?

No problems with plain:
luatex --ini plain \\dump
ln -s plain.fmt luatex.fmt
luatex --output-format=pdf test

This is test.tex:
Hello world!
\bye

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Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[luigi scarso]

> I think, at first I need the answers to the following questions:
> Does luatex need an fmt-file?
Yes.
> - If yes, how do I generate it, since format-generation produces only
>   cont-en.luc and cont-en.lua?
I have downloaded *zip from pragma, it is more easy to make an independant tree
than try to install under texlive
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Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 11:09:47 -0600, Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:12:56 -0600, Peter Münster <pmlists@free.fr>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  
>> /opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en.fmt:
>> > No such file or directory
>
>> I have had the same problem on windows. "texexec --luatex test" will
>> create a spurious cache directory and then proceed to search it:
>>
>> 1. Check to see if it works from the scite script cscite in unix
>> (cscite.bat on windows).
>
> The only cscite-file on my system is "context/data/cscite.rme"...

So you don't have a maximal distribution then...

>> 2. If you can run luatex from scite then just save the scite script to a
>> different name and edit it to launch your application (editor or shell).
>
> No, I use emacs and bash...
>
> I think, at first I need the answers to the following questions:
> Does luatex need an fmt-file?

yes

> - If no, why does luatex complain?
> - If yes, how do I generate it, since format-generation produces only
>   cont-en.luc and cont-en.lua?

Are you sure there is not another cache directory created? What happens  
here:

1. a cache is created by luatex

2. when I run "texmfstart texexec file" a secondary cache is created and  
then I get the exect same error messages that you get.

When I start an application using cscite.bat or a derivative of it,  
everything works fine. cscite.bat initializes scite using setuptex.bat (or  
just setuptex under unix).

So try to get a distributution with Scite and the initialition script.  
Then, if scite works properly, you can edit the initialization script to  
start whatever you like (emacs, bash, etc., notepad++ in my case).

Best wishes
Idris

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Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> > The only cscite-file on my system is "context/data/cscite.rme"...
> 
> So you don't have a maximal distribution then...

Ok, so the files in http://www.pragma-ade.com/dir?path=context/current are
not enough. So I'll try the minimal tree then...

> > - If yes, how do I generate it, since format-generation produces only
> >   cont-en.luc and cont-en.lua?
> 
> Are you sure there is not another cache directory created? What happens  
> here:

No, there is only one cache directory, and after format creation, the only
cont-en.* files are lua, luc and log.

> When I start an application using cscite.bat or a derivative of it,  
> everything works fine. cscite.bat initializes scite using setuptex.bat (or  
> just setuptex under unix).

I'll take a look into setuptex.

Thanks, Peter

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Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[luigi scarso]

> I'll take a look into setuptex.
>
maybe you can find this useful:
http://luatex.bluwiki.com/go/User:Luigi.scarso#How_to

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Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?

[Peter Münster]

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, luigi scarso wrote:

> > I'll take a look into setuptex.
> >
> maybe you can find this useful:
> http://luatex.bluwiki.com/go/User:Luigi.scarso#How_to

Yes, it's useful: it worked for plaintex, but not for ConTeXt.
The "texexec --make" command does not create any cont-en.fmt.
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luatex Segmentation fault (was: Re: MKIV: what about cont-en.fmt?)

[Peter Münster]

I've found a hint (perhaps for Taco):

When running
luatex --ini --lua=/opt/TeX-live/texmf-var/luatex-cache/context/92a04c9ffb33efd4ef40317f33cfad27/formats/cont-en.luc /opt/TeX-live/texmf-context/tex/context/base/cont-en.tex '\dump'

then luatex stops with these lines:

loading : Context Core Macros / Variables
) (/opt/TeX-live/texmf-context/tex/context/base/luat-deb.tex
loading : Communication Support (initialization)
) (/opt/TeX-live/texmf-context/tex/context/base/supp-box.tex
loading : Context Support Macros / Boxes
Segmentation fault

Here are the last lines of strace:

read(6, "\\setbox\\scratchbox\\normalhbox\n  "..., 4096) = 4096
read(6, "  optional height +/-dimen width"..., 4096) = 4096
read(6, "he \\TEX book. These macros can b"..., 4096) = 4096
read(6, "erately, for instance, making it"..., 4096) = 4096
read(6, "dp\\scratchdimen\n   \\dp\\processbo"..., 4096) = 4096
read(6, "point\n   \\def\\docommand\n     {\\a"..., 4096) = 4096
times({tms_utime=130, tms_stime=9, tms_cutime=0, tms_cstime=0}) = 1801620712
--- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) ---
+++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
Process 20275 detached


Perhaps something for the luatex-bug-tracker, Taco?

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Re: luatex Segmentation fault

[Taco Hoekwater]

Peter Münster wrote:
> I've found a hint (perhaps for Taco):

I have not received all email of the last two days yet, so I may
be off. If this is still 0.10.1, please wait for the new mkiv
release or update to 0.10.2 yourself. Otherwise, it will help
more if you manage to capture the output of TeX's tracing
information (by adding \tracingall at the top of supp-box.tex).

> Perhaps something for the luatex-bug-tracker, Taco?

Not while it only happens to you. The crash has to be reproducible
for a bug tracker item to be useful, I 'm afraid :(

Cheers,
Taco
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Re: luatex Segmentation fault

[Peter Münster]

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> I have not received all email of the last two days yet, so I may
> be off. If this is still 0.10.1, please wait for the new mkiv
> release or update to 0.10.2 yourself. Otherwise, it will help
> more if you manage to capture the output of TeX's tracing
> information (by adding \tracingall at the top of supp-box.tex).

I attach the compressed output of the following command:
luatex --ini --lua=/tmp/luatex-cache/context/5e8053a7b68c5c33fee26928fcc6f42f/formats/cont-en.luc /home/peter/tmp/tex2/texmf-local/tex/context/base/cont-en.tex '\dump' &>/tmp/tracingall-0.10.2.log

The luatex version is 0.10.2 and the command finishes with "Segmentation
fault".

> > Perhaps something for the luatex-bug-tracker, Taco?
> 
> Not while it only happens to you. The crash has to be reproducible
> for a bug tracker item to be useful, I 'm afraid :(

Perhaps it's only reproducible on linux-x86_64?

Cheers, Peter

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Re: luatex Segmentation fault

[Taco Hoekwater]

Peter Münster wrote:
> 
>>> Perhaps something for the luatex-bug-tracker, Taco?
>> Not while it only happens to you. The crash has to be reproducible
>> for a bug tracker item to be useful, I 'm afraid :(
> 
> Perhaps it's only reproducible on linux-x86_64?

It seems so (somewhat depressingly). If you have the 32bit support
installed, maybe you can test to see if the other linux executable
is ok. Otherwise, it will have to wait until after my vacation,
since it will take me a while to get my hands on a x86_64 linux
installation.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: luatex Segmentation fault

[Peter Münster]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> It seems so (somewhat depressingly). If you have the 32bit support
> installed, maybe you can test to see if the other linux executable
> is ok. Otherwise, it will have to wait until after my vacation,
> since it will take me a while to get my hands on a x86_64 linux
> installation.

I've just tested the precompiled 32bit version from foundry.supelec.fr and
now it works fine (even with TeX-live).

Thus, there will be soon (today or tomorrow) a new texlive-rpm with support
for MKIV.

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