From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/60137 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Talbot-Wilson Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Example ConTeXt document: PS output Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:13:55 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2060172531-1403069357-1278861111=:4502" X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278866702 28714 80.91.229.12 (11 Jul 2010 16:45:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:45:02 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jul 11 18:45:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OXzeD-0005Sx-LF for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:44:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489DAC9AC7; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:44:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id Rw-HNUE9RHMQ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:44:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F89FC9B87; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:44:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D2BC9B87 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:44:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id nkH6iJy6k687 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:44:47 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from calypso.view.net.au (calypso.view.net.au [203.122.243.188]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D60AC9AC7 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:44:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calypso.view.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3789EC238 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:14:43 +0930 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at view.net.au Original-Received: from calypso.view.net.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (calypso.view.net.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mZi52WgxbW95 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:13:56 +0930 (CST) Original-Received: by calypso.view.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0313CC281; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:13:56 +0930 (CST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calypso.view.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25D8C238 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:13:55 +0930 (CST) In-Reply-To: Content-ID: X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:60137 Archived-At: This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --2060172531-1403069357-1278861111=:4502 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=X-UNKNOWN; FORMAT=flowed Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, Martin Schr=F6der wrote: > 2010/7/10 Mojca Miklavec : >> avoiding PDF for all costs makes sense or not. Expressed in other >> words: what usually happens when one sends PDF to PostScript printer? >> Does it print the document almost-natively or not? > > Typically your viewer (e.g. Adobe Reader) or your printing system > (e.g. CUPS) converts it to PostScript. > > Or your printer has a PDF RIP (rare). Then there are two > possibilities: > - the PDF RIP converts the PDF to PostScript and feeds it to it's > PostScript RIP (this is the norm with most Adobe PDF RIPs). This is > the reason that printers with PDF RIPs often also have a harddisc. > - the PDF gets directly interpreted by a PDF RIP (JAWS, Harlequin and > newer Adobe PDF RIPs do this). Thanks for this info. As I said, I can use pdf2ps, or CUPS will. (OT, but for me CUPS is presently out of action and I'm copying PS files directly to /dev/usb/lp0. A handshake/signalling problem on the side of the LaserJet 4050, I suspect.) Yes, one can create PDF output, and convert it to PS to print it, but I don't feel good about that when the doc contains images. There is an unnecessary conversion. And the reverse, ps2pdf, is possible and probably better. The idea of PDF as more device-independent than PS...? If I convert from .RAF to .PSD to .PDF to .PS the last step, to .PS, is fundamental, that's what the printer has to have, but the .PDF step is, to repeat, redundant. If the text processor generates PS I don't have to convert images to PDF. What can perhaps be said is that PDF is a more tightly controlled format and that the incompatibilities that can arise between prepress and press don't, there's no need to overlay DSC conventions because there is intrinsically less flexibility and less programmability. That fact, that there is greater restriction and control over the workflow, is perhaps of advantage to the more monetized side of all this. In that sense, and perhaps in that sense alone, PDF is not redundant, has a role. If Han The Thanh wants to generate PDF and calls a program pdftex I'm not going to complain. It is wholly admirable, absolutely brilliant. It is just that what he wants to do doesn't fit in with what I want to do. That's fine, there's a warning up front, I decide. But I was considering something else, which for some reason is not called pdfConTeXt, has another name. It treats PDF as fundamental when it's not, it's remedial. For some. I just hope this hasn't happened because luatex started as pdftex and for no better reason. Now (not addressed to Mojca), please don't be a smartarse and tell me (again) that this is all volunteer work and to send in patches, a new Device Independent file definition and implementation for Unicode. I'm full of admiration for you guys with the giant IQs who have created ConTeXt in tea breaks and at night, never taken a second of time from the employer, publishing house or university or hairdressing salon proprietor that pays you. But I don't pretend to be in that class. I'm just a mental midget. And I have other things to do. It ain't my project. Something else is. > Or your printer has a PDF RIP (rare). 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