From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/31208 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Aditya Mahajan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: A new manual Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 19:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: References: <200609280920.02364.john@wexfordpress.com> <22af238a0609290719l4ceed250m171555be4bf793e3@mail.gmail.com> <451D7D7C.3050900@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1160004132 29399 80.91.229.2 (4 Oct 2006 23:22:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 23:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Oct 05 01:22:07 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GVG3z-0007sG-72 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:22:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680321FDF3; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:22:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 08166-02; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:22:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C2B1FD93; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:21:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A83831FD93 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:21:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05374-07 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:21:46 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.93.161]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B2D01FD7B for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 01:21:43 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: FROM aditya.annarb01.mi.comcast.net (c-68-40-50-205.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [68.40.50.205]) BY tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 45244203.970E1.32318 ; 4 Oct 2006 19:21:40 -0400 Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <451D7D7C.3050900@wxs.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:31208 Archived-At: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Hans Hagen wrote: > gnwiii@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I don't agree that lack of a current manual is a big problem for >> potential users of ConteXt. In my experience, the biggest problem is >> with the 3rd party tools (perl, ghostscript, ruby) on Win32 and legacy >> commercial unix (where ruby is not provided and the system perl will >> be a very old version). >> > actually, one could run context using "pdftex --fmt ...... " but it's > less convenient; > > technically i could generate most of the tuo file directly (although > index sorting always has to rely on an external prog) > > some two pass data (cross ref etc) can be loaded before an aux file is > written, but toc info cannot, and tex itself cannot rename a temp file > afterwards; because context can create tocs at any level any time, this > means that there will always be a need for an separate read and write > file (actuallym this is also true for more two pass data since some data > structures may be defined anywhere in teh document which also leads to > async loading) > > in luatex, i will probably write the index sorter in lua as well as > support a different two pass info model as well which means that in > principle one could provide an embedded kind of texexec funtionality; of > course multiple runs still have to be managed by some external script > then but this can be simple since tex itself can signal the need for that > Does this mean that in future (distant future) it will be possible to simple pass cont-en.fmt file along with the source file and write %&cont-en in the tex file, and someone just having plain tex can run tex filename (possibly multiple times) to get the output? If so, it may make things like submissions to some journals and online archives like arxiv very easy. Aditya