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no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: mailing list for ConTeXt users X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: [NTG-context] Re: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/blank List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Jun 4, 2024 at 20:14 (+0200), Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > Jim schrieb am 04.06.2024 um 19:48: >> I did not realize the wiki software did that. On reflection I suppose that >> is useful in many (most?) cases. But I'd argue that it is not always a good >> thing, such as in this case. (If nothing else, it might mislead a n00b >> into thinking that you should get output for text preceding \starttext.) > The reason why you get no text isn't that you wrote it before \starttext but > that no font was loaded yet. By default ConTeXt postpones the loading of the > default fonts until \starttext because when you use a different font on your > document this is normally before \starttext and with the postponing there is > no need to load a unused font. > At the point where you load a font with \setupbodyfont text even if it > appears before \starttext is shown as expected but this isn't recommended. >> If you (or some other knowledgeable person reading this) don't (doesn't) >> mind another question,... >> Is the bullet symbol not from some font? If so, why is that font loaded in >> time to see the bullet? > When no font has been loaded yet with \setupbodyfont ConTeXt prints text > which is put in a \hbox in a monospaced font as shown in the example below. > %%%% begin example > This is before \tex{starttext}. > \hbox{This is also before \tex{starttext}} > \starttext > This is after \tex{starttext}. > \stoptext > %%%% end example Thanks again. Without looking at the code, I (boldly) conclude that the bullet is in an \hbox. While I'm curious about why text in an \hbox is printed, I'm thinking that I may not have need to know. ;-) Jim ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://mailman.ntg.nl/mailman3/lists/ntg-context.ntg.nl webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / https://context.aanhet.net (mirror) archive : https://github.com/contextgarden/context wiki : https://wiki.contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________