Re: Again: How to make empty pages by default empty?

[Steffen Wolfrum <wlfrm@estfiles.de>]

Hi Hans,

may I also ask you for an idea or a statement on this old problem?

It is about numbered empty pages that are generated when using a front-, body-, backmatter project structure.

Thank you,

Steffen



----- Original Message ----- 
>> >  > Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>> >  >
>> >  > >  At 10:05 19/09/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>> >  > >  >Hi Steffen,
>> >  > >
>> >  > >
>> >  > >
>> >  > >  > > \definepagebreak
>> >  > >  > >     [chapter]
>> >  > >  > >     [yes,header,right]
>> >  > >
>> >  > >  \definepagebreak
>> >  > >     [chapter]
>> >  > >     [empty,header,right]
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  > Sorry, but that doesn't work.
>> >  >
>> >  > When changed the minimal example to...
>> >  >
>> >  > \definepagebreak
>> >  >     [chapter]
>> >  >     [empty,header,right]
>> >  >
>> >  > \setuphead
>> >  >     [chapter]
>> >  >     [page=chapter,]
>> >  >
>> >  > \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
>> >  >
>> >  > \starttext
>> >  > \startfrontmatter
>> >  >     \completecontent
>> >  > \stopfrontmatter
>> >  > \startbodymatter
>> >  > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
>> >  > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
>> >  > \chapter {test} \dorecurse{10}{\input tufte }
>> >  > \stopbodymatter
>> >  >
>> >  > \stoptext
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >  > ... we have page numbers on (empty) page number 4, 18 and 19!
>> >  >
>> >  > Plus there are two strange empty empty pages before the TOC?!
>> >
>> >  If you want to get a doublesided tzpeset document you should add also
>> >  \setuplayout[location=doublesided].
>> >
>> >  I am not shure, whether the following is correct!
>> >
>> >  Empty pages at the beginning:
>> >
>> >  You start the frontmatters with the \completecontent. - I could imagine
>> >  that
>> >  this is a consequence of the fact that the TOC starts always on a
>righthand
>> >  page. - Thus at the  moment of \startbodymatter tex is already on the
>first
>> >  page. But after identifying the \completecontents command will create
>two
>> >  page breaks in order to be able to typeset the TOC on a righthand page.
>> >
>> >  Pagenumbers on empty pages before starting a new chapter
>> >
>> >  Chapters begin on a right hand page. If the lefthand page is empty,
>there
>> >  is
>> >  correctly still the pagenumber. I do not know whether it is possible to
>> >  check whether the page before a new chapter is completely empty.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Willi, I hope that it can't be to difficult:
>>
>> Cause the page before a new chapter is actually completely empty JUST
>> BECAUSE it is generated by (Con)TeX(t) - for chapters should begin on
>> a right page.
>>
>> So I only ask for empty pages (without pagenumbers) that are
>> generated by (Con)TeX(t).
>>
>> That's not possible in ConTeXt?
>>
>> Steffen
>
>Try the following:
>
>\definepagebreak
>    [chapter]
>    [yes,header,right] % yes instead of emtpy taken from the sources
>page-ini.tex line 1611
>\setuphead
>    [chapter]
>    [page=chapter]
>
>\setuppagenumbering[alternative={doublesided,marginedge}]
>\setuplayout[location=doublesided]
>
>This worsk for me, if no \startfrontmatter and \startbodymatter and and the
>\stop... equivalents are used.
>If I use the \startfrontmatter cum suis then there is a numbered page after
>the TOC and the last page if even and empty is also numbered. Inside the
>\startbodymatter \stopbodymatter the emptypages at new chapters are empty
>pages with an empty header, thus no pagenumber.
>
>Instead o placeing \completecontents you might want to use \placecontent
>which prevents the empty pages discussed before.
>
>Willi
>
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