Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> >\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramondmini.tex]
> >\usetypescript[AGaramondOldStyle]
> >\setupencoding[default=ec]
> >\setupbodyfont[AGaramondOldStyle,10.2pt]
> >% whithout these four line the greek was ok. now its empty.
> >  
> >
> i guess that the 10.2 is giving problems since that size is not defined in greek, so why not use 10pt?  
> 
> Hans 



Ah, right - that's the problem!

And now again I can also use the much faster
\def\typescriptfiles{type-agaramondmini.tex}
instead of
\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramondmini.tex]

Great. Thanks for your patience!

Steffen

P.S. Could you - please (!) - also have a look at the "Footnotes in margin" thread?

Re: Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Hans Hagen]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

>And now again I can also use the much faster
>\def\typescriptfiles{type-agaramondmini.tex}
>instead of
>\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramondmini.tex]
>  
>
hm, in that case you will not set up any sizes etc since they are 
defined in typescripts

(technically it's possible to preload typescripts but i never came to 
put the code into the kernel)

>P.S. Could you - please (!) - also have a look at the "Footnotes in margin" thread?
>  
>
later

Hans

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Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

I can't find anything wrong (for without greek it works fine).
Maybe you want to have a short look:

This is my test document:

\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramondmini.tex]
\usetypescript[AGaramondOldStyle]
\setupencoding[default=ec]
\setupbodyfont[AGaramondOldStyle,10.2pt]
% whithout these four line the greek was ok. now its empty.

\usemodule[greek]

\mainlanguage[english]

\starttext

We can easily use plain English for normal text, and then switch
to greek when we want; as a first try we type the lower and
upper case 26 letters of the latin alphabet and see how they come
out in greek:

\startgreek
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z \par
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
\stopgreek

As it can be observed, some uppercase letters have strange
outcomes; also, j gives \greek{j} and c gives the
end-of-word sigma \greek{c}; interestingly, s gives either the
normal sigma or the end-of-word one, depending on whether it's at
the end of the word or not: \greek{satrapws}.

\stoptext


And this is my typescriptfile type-agaramondmini.tex:

\starttypescript [serif] [agaramond-oldstyle] [ec]
  \definefontsynonym [AGaramond-Regular]        [padr9e]  [encoding=ec]
  \definefontsynonym [AGaramond-Italic]         [padri9e] [encoding=ec]
  \definefontsynonym [AGaramond-Bold]           [padb9e]  [encoding=ec]
  \definefontsynonym [AGaramond-BoldItalic]     [padbi9e] [encoding=ec]
  \definefontsynonym [AGaramond-Semibold]       [pads9e]  [encoding=ec]
  \definefontsynonym [AGaramond-SemiboldItalic] [padsi9e] [encoding=ec]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [agaramond-oldstyle] [name]
  \definefontsynonym [Serif]             [AGaramond-Regular]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]         [AGaramond-Bold]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]       [AGaramond-Italic]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]   [AGaramond-BoldItalic]
  \definefontsynonym [SemiBold]          [AGaramond-Semibold]
  \definefontsynonym [SemiBoldItalic]    [AGaramond-SemiboldItalic]
\stoptypescript


\starttypescript [AGaramondOldStyle] 
  \definetypeface [AGaramondOldStyle] [rm] [serif] [agaramond-oldstyle] [default] [encoding=ec]
\stoptypescript


Sorry, but what should be changed?

Steffen

Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Sure, THIS one works.

But what I was asking for was 
how to change the font for all the english text (all the non-greek)?

My attempt was to start the document with:

\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramond.tex]
\usetypescript[AGaramondOldStyle]
\setupencoding[default=ec]
\setupbodyfont[AGaramondOldStyle,10.2pt]

(... and then continue as you have pasted below)

But this gives the error I had sent.
I hope the problem is clearer now. 


Can you help to find a solution?

Steffen




Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

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> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> It works quite well here. I attached the files that i have on my machine.
> 
> Hans


...


> % The following sample file was submitted to the \CONTEXT\
> % mailing list by Giuseppe Bilotta, along with the right
> % typescripts.
> 
> % already loaded: \usemodule[greek]
> 
> \mainlanguage[english]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> We can easily use plain English for normal text, and then switch
> to greek when we want; as a first try we type the lower and
> upper case 26 letters of the latin alphabet and see how they come
> out in greek:
> 
> \startgreek
> a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z \par
> A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
> \stopgreek
> 
> As it can be observed, some uppercase letters have strange
> outcomes; also, j gives \greek{j} and c gives the
> end-of-word sigma \greek{c}; interestingly, s gives either the
> normal sigma or the end-of-word one, depending on whether it's at
> the end of the word or not: \greek{satrapws}.
> 
> Of course we can use the various diacritical signs: accents
> (\greek{`a, 'a, ~a}), breathings (\greek{<r, >w, a"}) and
> subscribed iotas (\greek{a|, h|, w|}) (these last are pretty ugly in my
> opinion); observe how they automatically get the correct position
> with uppercase letters: (\greek{`A, 'A, ~A, <A, >A, A|}).
> 
> Can the thing be used for serious work?
> 
> \startgreek
> >>'Andra moi >'ennepe, Mo~usa, pol'utropon, >'os m'ala poll`a\hfill\break
> pl'agqjh, >epe`i Tro'ihs <er`on ptol'iejron >'eperse;\hfill\break
> poll~wn d" >anjr'wpwn >'iden >'astea ka`i n'oon >'egnw,\hfill\break
> poll`a d" <'o g" >en p'ontw| p'ajen >'algea <`on kat`a jum'on,\hfill\break
> >>arn'umenos <'hn te yuq`hn ka`i n'oston <eta'irwn.
> \stopgreek
> 
> \stoptext

Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

... actually it's the last line causing the problem:

\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramond.tex]
\usetypescript[AGaramondOldStyle]
\setupencoding[default=ec]
\setupbodyfont[AGaramondOldStyle,10.2pt] % <-


Is there an other way to define a normal bodyfont plus using the greek module?

Steffen

Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >In "s-grk-00.tex" is defined "\switchtobodyfont[cbgreek]".
> >So why doesn't it work to define a body font for the normal AND use this module for switching to greek?
> >  
> >
> does
> 
>   texexec --mode=demo --pdf x-grk-00
> 
> work?
> 
> >Steffen
> >
> >
> >P.S. Please have a look at this wellknown example. 
> >With the first four lines added the greek parts get empty:
> >
> >
> >
> >\def\typescriptfiles{type-agaramond.tex}
> >  
> >
> \usetypescriptfile[type-agaramond.tex]
> 
> otherwise you loose everyhting else
> 
> Hans



Does it work on your system (with an other typescript of course)? 
If I change 
\def\typescriptfiles{type-agaramond.tex}
to 
\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramond.tex]
I get the error log you can see below. 
If I'd comment the first four lines it works fine (so the greek module works, right?).

Steffen





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entering extended mode
(./TEST.tex{/Users/steffen/Library/texmf/pdftex/config/pdftex.cfg}

ConTeXt  ver: 2004.8.15  fmt: 2004.8.29  int: english  mes: english

language       : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
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(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex
systems        : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex!
color          : palette rollover is available
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(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/cont-loc.tex))
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)
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)
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bodyfont       : 12pt rm is loaded
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specials       : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded
system         : TEST.top loaded
(./TEST.top
specials       : loading definition file tpd
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex
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(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex
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system (E-TEX) : [line 2253] \ifcsname 
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) (/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/type-pre.tex)
bodyfont       : unknown variant AGaramondOldStyle
bodyfont       : bodyfont 7.1pt is defined (can better be done global)
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bodyfont       : bodyfont 10.2pt is defined (can better be done global)
system         : macros of module greek loaded
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/s-grk-00.tex
fonts          : [all] [cbgreek] []
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex)
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex)
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex)
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
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(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/type-map.tex)
(/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.local/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex)
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(./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo)
(./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo)
(./TEST.tuo) (./TEST.tuo)kpathsea: Running mktextfm GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Could not map source abbreviation G for GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal.
/usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf/web2c/mktexnam: Need to update /usr/local/teTeX/share/texmf.tetex/fontname/special.map?
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This is METAFONT, Version 2.7182 (Web2C 7.4.5)
kpathsea: Running mktexmf GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal

! I can't find file `GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal'.
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Please type another input file name
! Emergency stop.
<*> ...opmode; input GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal
                                                  
Transcript written on mfput.log.
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kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.

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fonts          : needs map file: original-base.map
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! Font \*cbgreek10.2ptrmtf*:=GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal at 10.2pt not loadab
le: Metric (TFM) file not found.
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\xxdododefinefont ... {#4}\newfontidentifier \let 
                                                  \localrelativefontsize \de...

\fontstrategy ...ame #1\csname #2#3#4#5\endcsname 
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\synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies 
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<argument> \getvalue {\@style@ \fontstyle }
                                           \edef \fontstyle {\fontstyle }\if...
...
l.23 \startgreek
                
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Re: Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Hans Hagen]

Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

>Hi,
>
>In "s-grk-00.tex" is defined "\switchtobodyfont[cbgreek]".
>So why doesn't it work to define a body font for the normal AND use this module for switching to greek?
>  
>
does

  texexec --mode=demo --pdf x-grk-00

work?

>Steffen
>
>
>P.S. Please have a look at this wellknown example. 
>With the first four lines added the greek parts get empty:
>
>
>
>\def\typescriptfiles{type-agaramond.tex}
>  
>
\usetypescriptfile[type-agaramond.tex]

otherwise you loose everyhting else

Hans

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Ancient Greek (bodyfont conflict?)

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

In "s-grk-00.tex" is defined "\switchtobodyfont[cbgreek]".
So why doesn't it work to define a body font for the normal AND use this module for switching to greek?


Steffen


P.S. Please have a look at this wellknown example. 
With the first four lines added the greek parts get empty:



\def\typescriptfiles{type-agaramond.tex}
\usetypescript[AGaramondOldStyle]
\setupencoding[default=ec]
\setupbodyfont[AGaramondOldStyle,10.2pt]


% The following sample file was submitted to the \CONTEXT\
% mailing list by Giuseppe Bilotta, along with the right
% typescripts.


\usemodule[greek]

\mainlanguage[english]


\starttext

We can easily use plain English for normal text, and then switch
to greek when we want; as a first try we type the lower and
upper case 26 letters of the latin alphabet and see how they come
out in greek:

\startgreek
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z \par
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
\stopgreek

As it can be observed, some uppercase letters have strange
outcomes; also, j gives \greek{j} and c gives the
end-of-word sigma \greek{c}; interestingly, s gives either the
normal sigma or the end-of-word one, depending on whether it's at
the end of the word or not: \greek{satrapws}.

Of course we can use the various diacritical signs: accents
(\greek{`a, 'a, ~a}), breathings (\greek{<r, >w, a"}) and
subscribed iotas (\greek{a|, h|, w|}) (these last are pretty ugly in my
opinion); observe how they automatically get the correct position
with uppercase letters: (\greek{`A, 'A, ~A, <A, >A, A|}).

Can the thing be used for serious work?

\startgreek
>>'Andra moi >'ennepe, Mo~usa, pol'utropon, >'os m'ala poll`a\hfill\break
pl'agqjh, >epe`i Tro'ihs <er`on ptol'iejron >'eperse;\hfill\break
poll~wn d" >anjr'wpwn >'iden >'astea ka`i n'oon >'egnw,\hfill\break
poll`a d" <'o g" >en p'ontw| p'ajen >'algea <`on kat`a jum'on,\hfill\break
>>arn'umenos <'hn te yuq`hn ka`i n'oston <eta'irwn.

\stopgreek

\stoptext