Re: Ancient Greek

Re: Ancient Greek

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Idris Samawi Hamid <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:57:07 +0200, Steffen Wolfrum 
> <context@st.estfiles.de> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am about to edit a book with quotes in ancient (polyphonic) greek.
> > How can this be done in ConTeXt?
> 
> Well, you can always use aleph; see typ-omg.tex and m-gamma.tex for 
> details. I can also send you a sample file if you like. But if you are not 
> adventurous;-) I suspect there is a solution that will work for pdfetex.
> 
> Best
> Idris


Well, I'd love to use aleph - no doubt! But, as I work with MacOS(X) 
I fear I have to find a solution that will work for pdfetex.

Could someone help me?

Steffen

Re: Ancient Greek

[Adam Lindsay]

Steffen Wolfrum said this at Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:57:05 +0200:

>Well, I'd love to use aleph - no doubt! But, as I work with MacOS(X) 
>I fear I have to find a solution that will work for pdfetex.
>
>Could someone help me?

Hmm. What's your timeframe?
I'm working on XeTeX drivers for ConTeXt that should get to a 90%
solution soonish... the question will then be what "weird" ConTeXt
features will you need?

For those not aware, XeTeX is a very interesting eTeX variant that hooks
into MacOSX's advanced typography. It's Unicode-native, and uses native
Mac fonts without any TeXFont-y conversion necessary. It supports Apple's
AAT features as well as OTF features.
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XeTEX (was: Ancient Greek)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 21.08.2004 um 20:04 schrieb Adam Lindsay:
> For those not aware, XeTeX is a very interesting eTeX variant that 
> hooks
> into MacOSX's advanced typography. It's Unicode-native, and uses native
> Mac fonts without any TeXFont-y conversion necessary. It supports 
> Apple's
> AAT features as well as OTF features.

Sounds very cool. Where's its homepage?



Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: XeTEX (was: Ancient Greek)

[Adam Lindsay]

Henning Hraban Ramm said this at Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:37:18 +0200:

>
>Am 21.08.2004 um 20:04 schrieb Adam Lindsay:
>> For those not aware, XeTeX is a very interesting eTeX variant that 
>> hooks
>> into MacOSX's advanced typography. It's Unicode-native, and uses native
>> Mac fonts without any TeXFont-y conversion necessary. It supports 
>> Apple's
>> AAT features as well as OTF features.
>
>Sounds very cool. Where's its homepage?

Oops! I meant to link:
<http://scripts.sil.org/xetex/>
Mailing list at:
<http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex>
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Re: XeTEX (was: Ancient Greek)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 21.08.2004 um 20:43 schrieb Adam Lindsay:
>> Sounds very cool. Where's its homepage?
> Oops! I meant to link:
> <http://scripts.sil.org/xetex/>

Oh, another fine & free project of SIL!
(I very much like their Gentium font, just switched a bimonthly 
magazine that I set with InDesign to Gentium as bodyfont - some of "my" 
authors tend to use ancient greece quotes, and before I could never set 
them in a appropriate font.)

I'm looking forward to your tXeTonConTeXt and hope it gets part of the 
XeTeX project itself to spread it widely!


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Re: XeTEX (was: Ancient Greek)

[Steve Peter]

On Aug 21, 2004, at 2:37 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Sounds very cool. Where's its homepage?

http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=xetex

Steve

Re: Ancient Greek

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it> wrote:

> Download Claudio Beccari's fonts. (cbgreek)



Well, I did download the whole archive (71MB).

I used to install type1 fonts in ConTeXt with ONE afm file and ONE pfb file by executing sudo texfont --fontroot=... --sourcepath=... --vendor=ctan --collection=cbgreek --makepath --install

But what should I do with an archive of 944 pfb files ??? Jesus!



Steffen

Re: Ancient Greek

[Hans Hagen]

Hi Steffen,

>Giuseppe Bilotta <gip.bilotta@iol.it> wrote:
>Download Claudio Beccari's fonts. (cbgreek)
>  
>
>> <>
>> Well, I did download the whole archive (71MB).
>
This the archive is inded very big, and takes some probably unzips in some more MBytes, thereby taking more that 10% of the tex live cd! 

Maybe it makese sense to determine a suitable subset (like the list that GB used to define the cbgreek typescript); also, i wonder if scaling really affects the quality. Are these real type 1's or converted bitmaps? 

Since you're the user who wants greek most, can you make such a list? 

  \showfont[fontname] can be of help ... 

Maybe tex live can benefit from it. 


Hans 

PS. Karl: interesting to keep an eye on in the perspective of keeping tex live within reasonable size.  

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Re: Ancient Greek

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> wrote:

> Steffen Wolfrum said this at Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:57:05 +0200:
> 
> >Well, I'd love to use aleph - no doubt! But, as I work with MacOS(X) 
> >I fear I have to find a solution that will work for pdfetex.
> >
> >Could someone help me?
> 
> Hmm. What's your timeframe?
> I'm working on XeTeX drivers for ConTeXt that should get to a 90%
> solution soonish... the question will then be what "weird" ConTeXt
> features will you need?
> 
> For those not aware, XeTeX is a very interesting eTeX variant that hooks
> into MacOSX's advanced typography. It's Unicode-native, and uses native
> Mac fonts without any TeXFont-y conversion necessary. It supports Apple's
> AAT features as well as OTF features.




As far as I understood I order to typeset text in xetex you have to use basically plain TeX-commands.

So, when you say you're working on XeTeX drivers for ConTeXt does that mean that I can write normal context code but typeset with XeTeX instead of pdfeTeX?

That would be great. Because my aim is to include polytonic greek quotes in my context document, and I setup an ideal context environment for my publications already and don't want to start with plain TeX again.

So if my understanding is right, when do you think XeTeX will be available for us ConTeXt users?

Steffen

Re: Ancient Greek

[Adam Lindsay]

Steffen Wolfrum said this at Sun, 22 Aug 2004 13:10:28 +0200:

>As far as I understood I order to typeset text in xetex you have to use
>basically plain TeX-commands.

XeTeX is another TeX engine. So it responds to (plain) TeX commands.

LaTeX and ConTeXt are macro packages that are written in TeX. So your
LaTeX or ConTeXt commands are eventually just translated into TeX
commands as well. MacOSX LaTeX people already have xelatex going. It's
not terribly hard to get "texexec --tex=xetex" to work, either. (Hint: do
"xeinitex cont-en" and use the resulting cont-en.xfmt file.) 
Colors, graphics, and transformations need \specials, and there are some
font quoting tricks to do, as well.

>So, when you say you're working on XeTeX drivers for ConTeXt does that
>mean that I can write normal context code but typeset with XeTeX instead
>of pdfeTeX?

Exactly.

>That would be great. Because my aim is to include polytonic greek quotes
>in my context document, and I setup an ideal context environment for my
>publications already and don't want to start with plain TeX again.

:)

>So if my understanding is right, when do you think XeTeX will be
>available for us ConTeXt users?

Ah, that would be why I asked about *your* requirements and timeframe.
This is an avocation for me--I have a PhD thesis to write soon, so I
don't want to commit to a timeframe for a side (albeit interesting)
project. I can help you get started, and I will concentrate on the
features you want most, but to do that, I need your requirements.

I think Hans will agree that real users drive things forward, and that's
what I see xecontext needing.
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Ancient Greek

[Steffen Wolfrum]

Hi,

I am about to edit a book with quotes in ancient (polyphonic) greek.
How can this be done in ConTeXt?

Searching for answers I found the long and painful thread started by Thomas A. Schmitz almost one year ago.

Do we have an easier way available today?


Steffen Wolfrum

Re: Ancient Greek

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:57:07 +0200, Steffen Wolfrum 
<context@st.estfiles.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am about to edit a book with quotes in ancient (polyphonic) greek.
> How can this be done in ConTeXt?

Well, you can always use aleph; see typ-omg.tex and m-gamma.tex for 
details. I can also send you a sample file if you like. But if you are not 
adventurous;-) I suspect there is a solution that will work for pdfetex.

Best
Idris

-- 
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

Re: Ancient Greek

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

> Hi,

> I am about to edit a book with quotes in ancient (polyphonic) greek.
> How can this be done in ConTeXt?

> Searching for answers I found the long and painful thread
> started by Thomas A. Schmitz almost one year ago.

> Do we have an easier way available today?

Download Claudio Beccari's fonts. (cbgreek)

Use the attached cbgreek.tex typescript file (Hans, maybe it's
the case to add it to the distribution?) and you should then be
able to type something like this:

==== greektest.tex =====

\usetypescriptfile[cbgreek]

\usetypescript [all] [cbgreek]

\def\enablegreek{\language[greek]\catcode`~=\other\catcode`|=\other}
\def\startgreek{\par\begingroup\setupbodyfont[cbgreek]\enablegreek}
\let\stopgreek\endgroup

\def\greek{\groupedcommand{\switchtobodyfont[cbgreek]\enablegreek}{}}

\mainlanguage[english]

\starttext

We can easily use plain English for normal text, and then switch
to greek when we want; as a first try we type the lower and
upper case 26 letters of the latin alphabet and see how they come
out in greek:
\startgreek
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
\stopgreek

As it can be observed, some uppercase letters have strange
outcomes; also, j gives \greek{j} and c gives the
end-of-word sigma \greek{c}; interestingly, s gives either the
normal sigma or the end-of-word one, depending on whether it's at
the of the word or not: \greek{satrapws}.

Of course we can use the various diacritical signs: accents
(\greek{`a, 'a, ~a}), breathings (\greek{<r, >w, a"}) and
subscribed iotas (\greek{a|, h|, w|}) (these last are pretty ugly in my
opinion); observe how they automatically get the correct position
with uppercase letters: (\greek{`A, 'A, ~A, <A, >A, A|}).

Can the thing be used for serious work?

\startgreek
>'Andra moi >'ennepe, Mo~usa, pol'utropon, >'os m'ala poll`a\hfill\break
pl'agqjh, >epe`i Tro'ihs <er`on ptol'iejron >'eperse;\hfill\break
poll~wn d" >anjr'wpwn >'iden >'astea ka`i n'oon >'egnw,\hfill\break
poll`a d" <'o g" >en p'ontw| p'ajen >'algea <`on kat`a jum'on,\hfill\break
>arn'umenos <'hn te yuq`hn ka`i n'oston <eta'irwn.
\stopgreek

\stoptext
=======

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\starttypescript [serif] [cb-greek] [name]

  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal]              [grmn]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Medium-Oblique]             [grmo]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Medium-Italic]              [grmi]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Medium-UprightItalic]       [grmu]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Medium-Caps]                [grmc]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Medium-Leipzig]             [grml]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Medium-Roman]               [grmr]

  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Bold-Normal]                [grbn]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Bold-Oblique]               [grbo]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Bold-Italic]                [grbi]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Bold-UprightItalic]         [grbu]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Bold-Caps]                  [grbc]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Bold-Leipzig]               [grbl]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-Bold-Roman]                 [grbr]

  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Normal]        [grxn]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Oblique]       [grxo]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Italic]        [grxi]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-UprightItalic] [grxu]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Caps]          [grxc]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Leipzig]       [grxl]
  \definefontsynonym [CBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Roman]         [grxr]

  \definefontsynonym [Serif]                 [GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Normal]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted]          [GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Oblique]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic]           [GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Italic]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifCaps]             [GBGreek-Regular-Medium-Caps]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBold]             [GBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Normal]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted]      [GBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Oblique]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic]       [GBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Italic]
  \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldCaps]         [GBGreek-Regular-BoldExtended-Caps]
   
\stoptypescript
 

\starttypescript [serif] [cb-greek] [size]
% Please note that we use Bold Extended instead of Bold

  \definebodyfont
    [5pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn0500,
     sl=grmo0500,
     it=grmi0500,
     sc=grmc0500,
     bf=grxn0500,
     bs=grxo0500,
     bi=grxi0500]

  \definebodyfont
    [6pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn0600,
     sl=grmo0600,
     it=grmi0600,
     sc=grmc0600,
     bf=grxn0600,
     bs=grxo0600,
     bi=grxi0600]

  \definebodyfont
    [7pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn0700,
     sl=grmo0700,
     it=grmi0700,
     sc=grmc0700,
     bf=grxn0700,
     bs=grxo0700,
     bi=grxi0700]

  \definebodyfont
    [8pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn0800,
     sl=grmo0800,
     it=grmi0800,
     sc=grmc0800,
     bf=grxn0800,
     bs=grxo0800,
     bi=grxi0800]

  \definebodyfont
    [9pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn0900,
     sl=grmo0900,
     it=grmi0900,
     sc=grmc0900,
     bf=grxn0900,
     bs=grxo0900,
     bi=grxi0900]

  \definebodyfont
    [10pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn1000,
     sl=grmo1000,
     it=grmi1000,
     sc=grmc1000,
     bf=grxn1000,
     bs=grxo1000,
     bi=grxi1000]

  \definebodyfont
    [10.95pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn1095,
     sl=grmo1095,
     it=grmi1095,
     sc=grmc1095,
     bf=grxn1095,
     bs=grxo1095,
     bi=grxi1095]

  \definebodyfont
    [12pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn1200,
     sl=grmo1200,
     it=grmi1200,
     sc=grmc1200,
     bf=grxn1200,
     bs=grxo1200,
     bi=grxi1200]

  \definebodyfont
    [14.40pt]
    [rm]
    [tf=grmn1440,
     sl=grmo1440,
     it=grmi1440,
     sc=grmc1440,
     bf=grxn1440,
     bs=grxo1440,
     bi=grxi1440]

\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [CBGreek]

  \definebodyfontenvironment
    [cbgreek]
    [default]
    []

  \definetypeface [cbgreek] [rm] [serif] [cb-greek] [cb-greek]

\stoptypescript

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