From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/51682 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lutz Haseloff Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Hyphenation list and umlauts Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:04 +0200 Message-ID: References: <002e01c9f4cf$b6a20990$8614a8c0@boschung.local> <4A422B42.3030500@elvenkind.com> <002f01c9ffb5$09c86020$8614a8c0@boschung.local> <4A547DAE.1010806@gmx.net> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1149994781==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247115372 4828 80.91.229.12 (9 Jul 2009 04:56:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 04:56:12 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Jul 09 06:56:05 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MOlfv-0005lx-78 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:56:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E6C1FB1F; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04505-05; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FA11FAD7; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BE1FAD7 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:17 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09897-03 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter4-til.mf.surf.net (filter4-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.220]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1B61FA4C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com (mail-fx0-f217.google.com [209.85.220.217]) by filter4-til.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n694t47e011578 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:55:04 +0200 Original-Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4485227fxm.2 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:55:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j+E+tYipTII693QbZ3SBsIRtiXaovy7bf2PrKRFxfac=; b=sqvgrANZrHEZIFwGusEh2IGbusPhVJpk3g1NswDlAop2kzgXGFIj7i3AqDnhnuMtni SqEtjmCl2sjQuIgr+0rCxuGqyAZyvXXETltDTP9hiNtDmJIlTvrPPxjOoiLngckp+E5v 8ZiKNK7qoXp4eR6ejCnGnAQ6zw4HTOEmQJ8os= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=aoWjNozushyRCpJ4gl5ko/0r1HTbC9g2sQ60WO0ucJPXatM/X8ZTTcgVcULG1Yofdv xqyNJiEhHSfs8Pj6dPTpba76aXKIGvJETrE/vOKR1UPiSv3b3XzQRmuzyBvvZSjgds8V 4FA448kFNJEcfkWUldr4B1IV/6beB6+533nCI= Original-Received: by 10.204.63.193 with SMTP id c1mr316642bki.20.1247115304252; Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:55:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.220.217; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 257930690 - f4913a274083 - 20090709 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.220 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:51682 Archived-At: --===============1149994781== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5bdc4b43804046e3ea823 --001636c5bdc4b43804046e3ea823 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, after changing lefthyphenmin for de in lang-ger.tex to "2" I was able to hyphenate your word after the Duden rules ma-n=C3=B6-vrie-ren. I think, in german "v" can't be = a syllable. Greetings Lutz see: http://www.duden.de/definition/man%C3%B6vrieren 2009/7/8 > > On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote: > > Thomas Floeren schrieb: > > Taco Hoekwater scribbled= on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:34 PM: > > > > Thomas Floeren wrote: > > > Hi, > > I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list: > > In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are > completely ignored. MKII is fine. > > > Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regard, sorry. > > (The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes > for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is > serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week. > > Best wishes, > Taco > > > Well, in my other mail I said that it worked perfectly now with 0.40.6, = but this isn=E2=80=99t entirely true: > > It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reaso= n I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I=E2=80=99m bound at work, u= nfortunately). > > Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, = WinXP is running nonvirtually on PC. > > In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the enti= re context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimal= s, texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UT= F hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC. > > Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be? > Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked? > > > Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hyphenation on XP. > > This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (Web2C 2009) luatex.web >= =3D > v13958 > MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.14 21:01 > > Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong... > > Maybe I should pose my question differently: > > Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as intended? > > (I=E2=80=99m aware that not many people on this list are using MS systems= , I > personally also prefer working systems, but at work I=E2=80=99m (still) r= estricted > to MS-XP. > So this problem is of uttermost importance for me. > I hope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too soon, > there are still people out there dependent on those OSs) > > Here=E2=80=99s the minimal again: > > \de > \hyphenation{ma-n=C3=B6-v-rie-ren} > \starttext > \hyphenatedword{man=C3=B6vrieren} > \stoptext > > Thanks again for any help or hint > Tom > > Any help is appreciated > Thanks > > Thomas > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to= the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-co= ntext > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > _________________________________________________________________________= __________ > > --001636c5bdc4b43804046e3ea823 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas,

after changing lefthyphenmin for de in lang-ger.tex to &q= uot;2" I was able to hyphenate your word
after the Duden rules ma-n= =C3=B6-vrie-ren. I think, in german "v" can't be a syllable.<= br>
Greetings Lutz

see: http://www.duden.de/definition/man%C3%B6vrieren

=

2009/7/8 <thomas.floeren@mac.com>
<= br>
On Jul 8, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Peter Rolf wrote:

Thomas Floeren schrieb: 
Taco Hoekwater <mailto:taco@elvenkind.com> scribbled on We=
dnesday, June 24, 2009 3:34 PM:

  
Thomas Floeren wrote:
    
Hi,

I stumbled upon a problem with my hyphenation list:

In MKIV, all the words in the list that contain umlauts are
completely ignored. MKII is fine.=20
      
Luatex 0.40.5 is broken in this regar=
d, sorry.

(The problem is that the exception handling uses \lccodes
for the *byte* range 128-255, which is quite wrong). This is
serious enough that there will be a 0.40.6 later in the week.

Best wishes,
Taco
    
Well, in my other mail I said that it worke=
d perfectly now with 0.40.6, but this isn=E2=80=99t entirely true:

It works perfectly on Mac, Linux and Win Vista. But for any obscure reason =
I can not get it to work on Win XP (to which I=E2=80=99m bound at work, unf=
ortunately).

Linux and WinVista are running as virtual machines on Mac Intel systems, Wi=
nXP is running nonvirtually on PC.=20

In order to minimize installation differences I have even copied the entire=
 context folder from Vista to the XP machine (including binaries, minimals,=
 texmf-local), trashed the caches, remade the formats ... but still no UTF =
hyphenation exceptions on the XP-PC.

Do you - or anybody - have an idea of what the reason for this could be?
Some stupid small thing that I have overlooked?
Just tried your example code and I also get wrong hy= phenation on XP.

This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.40.6-2009070100 (W= eb2C 2009) luatex.web >=3D v13958
MTXrun | current version: 2009.06.= 14 21:01

Sorry, also no clue what goes wrong...

May=
be I should pose my question differently:


Is there anybody on WinXP who can typeset my minimal (below) as inten=
ded?

(I=E2=80=99m aware that not many people on th=
is list are using MS systems, I personally also prefer working systems, but=
 at work I=E2=80=99m (still) restricted to MS-XP.


So this problem is of uttermost importance for me.=C2=A0
I h=
ope the ConTeXt support for MS systems will not be dropped too soon, there =
are still people out there dependent on those OSs)


Here=E2=80=99s the minimal again:

\de

\hyphenation{ma-n=C3=B6-v-rie-ren}=20

\starttext

\hyphenatedword{man=C3=B6vrieren}

\stoptext=C2=A0

Thanks again for any help or h=
int
Tom

Any help is appreciated
Thanks

Thomas

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