[NTG-context] How to really force figure to appear "here"?

[NTG-context] How to really force figure to appear "here"?

[Joel via ntg-context]

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I have been using \placefigure[here, force] to place some graphics, but its instead showing other text from the next section, then the picture. In testing, this is causing readers to be confused, as they expect to see a picture, but its somehow appearing two pages later. I don't care it it requires a huge blank area on the page before it, how can I make it so any text after \placefigure[here, force] doesn't appear before the figure?
--Joel

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Re: [NTG-context] How to really force figure to appear "here"?

[Mikael Sundqvist via ntg-context]

Hi,

On Sun, May 21, 2023 at 3:48 AM Joel via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>
> I have been using \placefigure[here, force] to place some graphics, but its instead showing other text from the next section, then the picture. In testing, this is causing readers to be confused, as they expect to see a picture, but its somehow appearing two pages later. I don't care it it requires a huge blank area on the page before it, how can I make it so any text after \placefigure[here, force] doesn't appear before the figure?
>
> --Joel

You submit no example, but with the one I tried, \placefigure[force]
seems to place the figure at the place where it is called. Doesn't
that work for you?

/Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] How to really force figure to appear "here"?

[Joel via ntg-context]

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 Here, I've created an example that does just that. I want the figure to appear immediately after the bold text. Even if a lot of whitespace is placed and the figure appears on the next page, that is fine, but I don't want the next group of text to appear until *after* the figure. This is really confusing my readers.
\starttext
    \input knuth
    \input knuth

    {\boldface This is a short note about the picture. It should appear right after this.}
    \placefigure[here,force]{caption}{
        \externalfigure[1.jpg][width=\textwidth]
    }

    \input knuth
    \input knuth
    \input knuth
    \input knuth
    \input knuth
    \input knuth

\stoptext

--Joel

    On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 07:49:45 PM MDT, Joel via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:  
 
 I have been using \placefigure[here, force] to place some graphics, but its instead showing other text from the next section, then the picture. In testing, this is causing readers to be confused, as they expect to see a picture, but its somehow appearing two pages later. I don't care it it requires a huge blank area on the page before it, how can I make it so any text after \placefigure[here, force] doesn't appear before the figure?
--Joel
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Re: [NTG-context] How to really force figure to appear "here"?

[Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context]

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Joel via ntg-context schrieb am 21.05.2023 um 15:11:
> Here, I've created an example that does just that. I want the figure 
> to appear immediately after the bold text. Even if a lot of whitespace 
> is placed and the figure appears on the next page, that is fine, but I 
> don't want the next group of text to appear until *after* the figure. 
> This is really confusing my readers.
>
> \starttext
>     \input knuth
>     \input knuth
>
>     {\boldface This is a short note about the picture. It should 
> appear right after this.}
>  \placefigure[here,force]{caption}{
>  \externalfigure[1.jpg][width=\textwidth]
>     }

Get rid of the here keyword and use only force, you can't use both at 
the same time
and one gets ignored (depends whatever is first checked in the float 
mechanism).

\placefigure[force]{caption}{\externalfigure[1.jpg][width=\textwidth]}

Wolfgang


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Re: [NTG-context] How to really force figure to appear "here"?

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 21.05.23 um 15:17 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context:
> Joel via ntg-context schrieb am 21.05.2023 um 15:11:
>> Here, I've created an example that does just that. I want the figure 
>> to appear immediately after the bold text. Even if a lot of whitespace 
>> is placed and the figure appears on the next page, that is fine, but I 
>> don't want the next group of text to appear until *after* the figure. 
>> This is really confusing my readers.
>>
>> \starttext
>>     \input knuth
>>     \input knuth
>>
>>     {\boldface This is a short note about the picture. It should 
>> appear right after this.}
>>  \placefigure[here,force]{caption}{
>>  \externalfigure[1.jpg][width=\textwidth]
>>     }
> 
> Get rid of the here keyword and use only force, you can't use both at 
> the same time
> and one gets ignored (depends whatever is first checked in the float 
> mechanism).

I seem to remember it used to work and was even suggested. Then I’d 
consider it a bug/regression.

Does {bottom,force} make sense?

Hraban
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