From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HELO_NO_DOMAIN,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, NICE_REPLY_A,NO_RECEIVED,RDNS_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/118019 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: \showmakeup adds unwanted space despite accurate readings; \qquad mandatory before \TeX\ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:43:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13106"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.12.0 To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Archived-At: Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces+gctc-ntg-context-518=m.gmane-mx.org@ntg.nl Wed Jul 05 16:57:26 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from cgl.ntg.nl ([5.39.185.202]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qH3wa-0003BH-SR for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 16:57:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AAE4822E0 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:55:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cgl.ntg.nl Original-Received: from cgl.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cgl.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NNCP075ZeRlK for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:55:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from cgl.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37CC04822C8 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:55:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048B64815B8 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:55:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cgl.ntg.nl Original-Received: from cgl.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cgl.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kiisieOFyRvk for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:54:59 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl [195.121.94.185]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by cgl.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1A4548159D for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2023 16:54:59 +0200 (CEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 521eeb4b-1b42-11ee-8604-005056999439 Original-Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.6]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 521eeb4b-1b42-11ee-8604-005056999439; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 16:43:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xs4all.nl; s=xs4all01; h=content-type:from:to:subject:mime-version:date:message-id; bh=WuFjA8XjufQ7xQRE/WEOhlTgt+kGvn0iKFHInUMqaps=; b=AgdhiAFnYNcS1qNVo4KJBcwv6B1bx2XPtXqWqJSKsThdfIDR/ChYEYeTnrEbk147zPPNWUCCR96qS njO8zIh1NStyOfdnWJXgTJ6PCvLveKbus+O9EzCFlqBmaR5QkJ4iOl+zScVamgxBgeGs6xT4pi6J8z 99XKd7Hh/NcCCEr211u2a0SLZcNJVoOeSI39dWhaL2PkDpLQ7o2E8dgOf9fbQSILLPEYsoPTsy0LH8 KiulhUSe65EwOLdobAyFIAAIUeUwrka/K+/yn7WHVcCAIFiRXfvvRm8JFQ9c9C4BYDrncLpGm+MfsU 3KNVbngejER+ll0clttdw78ZCe3p4yg== X-KPN-MID: 33|kVbdbkpejD/dY35bjob5xPpOPlSTQw61SBTuSIC8ttBKU6Z1ok9fIuC1UsicBrU O/hgJyf95J+JjSmgYhKCOUvgV4GYrRHAfDUd9zSLSrQ4= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|tUWWb3fGkRbGFu+wFoK7WNxNizynLICX1pl+PHRxBJ0fuHLjx5JHmmcP+DENRnm PkFWiKaQIozofMhYzb+ojoQ== X-Originating-IP: 213.125.29.162 Original-Received: from [10.100.1.105] (d57d1da2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by smtp.xs4all.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 604548b8-1b42-11ee-b743-00505699772e; Wed, 05 Jul 2023 16:43:59 +0200 (CEST) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Message-ID-Hash: LDENRFKAT644ZYTIYZLFZW4FKOGUTLIU X-Message-ID-Hash: LDENRFKAT644ZYTIYZLFZW4FKOGUTLIU X-MailFrom: j.hagen@xs4all.nl X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.8 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.context:118019 Archived-At: On 7/5/2023 3:18 PM, Carlos wrote: > \showmakeup on \TeX\ shows a > > tSP:3.282 > THK:-1.721 > H__E > X > HK:-1.291 > SP:3.282 no MWE includes so clueless > I assume that SP stands for space. Correct me if I'm wrong > > After reading some of the manuals that mention \showmakeup with and > without [spaces] and so forth, I couldn't find any more info related > to this. > > If anyone can provide me more information as to what does HK means there? horizontal kern > Anyhow > > If I were to have, say, a control _word_ such as \TeX\, the sequence of > TeX kerning is thrown off. The only remedy would be to have a a \qquad > preceding the control sequence e.g., {\qquad > \TeX\ significantly} to sort of ameliorate this side-effect. But then > again. Spacing is off. e.g., no MWE so a space cam come from anywhwere > The separation of any of these four components would have > hurt {\qquad\TeX\ significantly}. If I had not participated fully in x{\showmakeup[glue]x\qquad x}x imo \qquad is okay > But it's interesting that \showmakeup, kerning and spaces would > display what's to be expected. And yet, the aformentioned set of > > tSP:3.282 > THK:-1.721 > H__E > X > HK:-1.291 > SP:3.282 > > is accurate nevertheless. And a very nice implementation at that, > but one I fear can't be included on a final document either. > > With that being said, the introduction of a \qquad, in addition to > \showmakeup with, say, redundancy aside, whatever is preceding the \TeX\ > alongside the file would also introduce a space where no space was ever > there before. > > Because of all of this, and unfortunately, \showmakeup is not quite helpful > here either. Although it does so displays the amount of spaces and > so forth, any addition of a \qquad also adds a very subtle unwanted > space. qquad is not that subtle: 2em > And since we're looking here, I pressume, solely for accuracy and > perfection, we're left here with neither: zero, zip. It evaporates. puzzled > Dear Emily: > I'm still confused as to what groups articles should be posted > to. How about an example? > -- Still Confused > > Dear Still: can we omit these confusing additions in mails to the list? looks / sounds like a 'bot' to me Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / https://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : https://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : https://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________