* Bibliography APS Style without unpublished @ 2019-05-15 12:27 Jan U. Hasecke 2019-05-16 0:05 ` Alan Braslau 2019-05-16 0:06 ` Alan Braslau 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jan U. Hasecke @ 2019-05-15 12:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi all, is there an option to eliminate the "unpublished" in aps bibliography? I understand that apa and aps are the only implemented styles. Is there any other style I can use? TIA juh ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-15 12:27 Bibliography APS Style without unpublished Jan U. Hasecke @ 2019-05-16 0:05 ` Alan Braslau 2019-05-16 8:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke 2019-05-16 0:06 ` Alan Braslau 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Alan Braslau @ 2019-05-16 0:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan U. Hasecke; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Wed, 15 May 2019 14:27:21 +0200 "Jan U. Hasecke" <juh+ntg-context@mailbox.org> wrote: > is there an option to eliminate the "unpublished" in aps bibliography? I suppose you mean the APS setup when NO date field is given ("to be published" for an article, "in press" for a book, and "unpublished" otherwise)? You can redefine the setup btx:aps:nd (no date) to give something else, but you might have to go further not to get empty parenthesis. A better solution, using the APS specification is to have a correct database. Maybe a different publication type category might be more appropriate. -- Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 0:05 ` Alan Braslau @ 2019-05-16 8:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke 2019-05-16 20:37 ` Alan Braslau 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jan U. Hasecke @ 2019-05-16 8:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Alan Braslau; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Alan, thanks a lot for these hints. Am 16.05.19 um 02:05 schrieb Alan Braslau: > On Wed, 15 May 2019 14:27:21 +0200 > "Jan U. Hasecke" <juh+ntg-context@mailbox.org> wrote: > >> is there an option to eliminate the "unpublished" in aps bibliography? > > I suppose you mean the APS setup when NO date field is given > ("to be published" for an article, "in press" for a book, and > "unpublished" otherwise)? > > You can redefine the setup btx:aps:nd (no date) to give something else, > but you might have to go further not to get empty parenthesis. > > A better solution, using the APS specification is to have a correct > database. Maybe a different publication type category might be more > appropriate. I browsed through the mailing list to see that bibliographies are not that easy. ;-) I think I found a solution by providing a "year" in my database. That's good enough for me. But as I collect my internet citations with zotero I always get a urldate for all internet entries. I think that giving the urldate is better than insert a publication year as nobody knows how long a website was present and when it was published for the first time. Is it possible to insert something like "last accessed on the internet on YYYY-MM-DD" in that field automatically if no publication year is provided but a urldate? Greetings juh ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 8:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke @ 2019-05-16 20:37 ` Alan Braslau 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Alan Braslau @ 2019-05-16 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan U. Hasecke; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, 16 May 2019 10:02:44 +0200 "Jan U. Hasecke" <juh+ntg-context@mailbox.org> wrote: > But as I collect my internet citations with zotero I always get a > urldate for all internet entries. I think that giving the urldate is > better than insert a publication year as nobody knows how long a > website was present and when it was published for the first time. > > Is it possible to insert something like "last accessed on the internet > on YYYY-MM-DD" in that field automatically if no publication year is > provided but a urldate? urldate is a non-standard field that Zotero (and others) have added. It is not handled by the revtex bibliography style that can be used as the reference for the "APS" style. The APA style guide suggests putting the author followed by the access date, then the title, adding "Retrieved from" followed by the URL. Internet citations, unless they correspond to a "preprint" on an archived list server are questionable references anyways, which is why the APS suggests using (unpublished). -- Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-15 12:27 Bibliography APS Style without unpublished Jan U. Hasecke 2019-05-16 0:05 ` Alan Braslau @ 2019-05-16 0:06 ` Alan Braslau 2019-05-16 10:48 ` Denis Maier 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Alan Braslau @ 2019-05-16 0:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jan U. Hasecke; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Wed, 15 May 2019 14:27:21 +0200 "Jan U. Hasecke" <juh+ntg-context@mailbox.org> wrote: > I understand that apa and aps are the only implemented styles. Is > there any other style I can use? You can write your own style, or your own modified style. Also, we can implement more styles if (1) there is a need, and (2) there is a clear, defined standard that can be followed. Alan -- Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 0:06 ` Alan Braslau @ 2019-05-16 10:48 ` Denis Maier 2019-05-16 14:12 ` nyssus 2019-05-16 20:43 ` Alan Braslau 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Denis Maier @ 2019-05-16 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1681 bytes --] I am not the OP, but I'm very much interested in how referencing works with ConTeXt so let me add to this. > You can write your own style, or your own modified style. Is the publications manual still up to date? Is there more recent information available? How would I start writing my own style? Concerning your two requirements for new styles: (2) there is a clear, defined standard that can be followed. This is actually the easier question: A few standard styles immediately come to mind: MLA, Chicago 16th and 17 edition in its various variants (author-date, note-bibliography, fullnote-bibliography, both note styles with and without ibid.), Modern Humanities Research Association... I guess having a model for all major variants (authordate, authoryear, numeric, alphanumeric) would be a good starting point. Also, we can implement more styles if (1) there is a need This is more tricky. I do very much like what ConTeXt has to offer for typesetting finished works, but I currently would not use it for writing a larger work in the Humanities. For smaller pieces I would probably write in Markdown, use pandoc to produce a context source file, and pandoc will me automatic citations via pandoc-citeproc (yet with a few glitches). For a longer work I currently don't have an alternative to biblatex. And I guess that is the point: Those with rather complex requirements for citations will either do them manually or use biblatex for this so it's not so easy to say if "there is a need". Having said that, I would really like being able to use ConTeXt here as well. So having a author-title style for the footnotes and the bibliographies would be more than welcome. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2336 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 10:48 ` Denis Maier @ 2019-05-16 14:12 ` nyssus 2019-05-16 14:57 ` Denis Maier 2019-05-16 15:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke 2019-05-16 20:43 ` Alan Braslau 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: nyssus @ 2019-05-16 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Denis Maier On 16/05/2019 11:48, Denis Maier wrote: > This is more tricky. I do very much like what ConTeXt has to offer for > typesetting finished works, but I currently would not use it for writing a > larger work in the Humanities. For smaller pieces I would probably write in > Markdown, use pandoc to produce a context source file, and pandoc will me > automatic citations via pandoc-citeproc (yet with a few glitches). For a > longer work I currently don't have an alternative to biblatex. And I guess > that is the point: Those with rather complex requirements for citations > will either do them manually or use biblatex for this so it's not so easy > to say if "there is a need". Having said that, I would really like being > able to use ConTeXt here as well. So having a author-title style for the > footnotes and the bibliographies would be more than welcome. > Honestly, some way to use CSL files to style bibliography would be ideal here, but that doesn't seem to currently exist ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 14:12 ` nyssus @ 2019-05-16 14:57 ` Denis Maier 2019-05-16 15:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Denis Maier @ 2019-05-16 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: nyssus; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1318 bytes --] Well, currently not. But citeproc-rs, a CSL implementation written in Rust is in the making. I don't know if there will be any progress in the near future, but it should be possible to use this via lua bindings. Am Do., 16. Mai 2019 um 16:12 Uhr schrieb nyssus < rocksolidbrassballs@gmail.com>: > > On 16/05/2019 11:48, Denis Maier wrote: > > This is more tricky. I do very much like what ConTeXt has to offer for > > typesetting finished works, but I currently would not use it for writing > a > > larger work in the Humanities. For smaller pieces I would probably write > in > > Markdown, use pandoc to produce a context source file, and pandoc will me > > automatic citations via pandoc-citeproc (yet with a few glitches). For a > > longer work I currently don't have an alternative to biblatex. And I > guess > > that is the point: Those with rather complex requirements for citations > > will either do them manually or use biblatex for this so it's not so easy > > to say if "there is a need". Having said that, I would really like being > > able to use ConTeXt here as well. So having a author-title style for the > > footnotes and the bibliographies would be more than welcome. > > > Honestly, some way to use CSL files to style bibliography would be ideal > here, but that doesn't seem to currently exist > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1727 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 14:12 ` nyssus 2019-05-16 14:57 ` Denis Maier @ 2019-05-16 15:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke 2019-05-16 15:21 ` Denis Maier 2019-05-16 15:40 ` nyssus 1 sibling, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Jan U. Hasecke @ 2019-05-16 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Am 16.05.19 um 16:12 schrieb nyssus: > Honestly, some way to use CSL files to style bibliography would be ideal > here, but that doesn't seem to currently exist Have a look at Pablos way to go from pandoc via xhtml to context: https://github.com/ousia/from-pandoc-to-context Or a slightly improved fork: https://github.com/aksdb/pandoc-xhtml I use this to write books with Markdown and produce the outputs with pandoc to epub and pdf. With Pandoc you can use CSL files and include the bibliography via XML into ConTeXt. HTH juh ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 15:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke @ 2019-05-16 15:21 ` Denis Maier 2019-05-16 15:40 ` nyssus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Denis Maier @ 2019-05-16 15:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1511 bytes --] Very interesting project. I have a workflow where I produce ConTeXt sources from markdown via pandoc. But using XML could be even better. Nevertheless, this still leaves us with the problem that CSL support with pandoc-citeproc has a few glitches (wrong disambiguation; ibids can be ambiguous, some features aren't implemented at all). Am Do., 16. Mai 2019 um 17:02 Uhr schrieb Jan U. Hasecke < juh+ntg-context@mailbox.org>: > Am 16.05.19 um 16:12 schrieb nyssus: > > Honestly, some way to use CSL files to style bibliography would be ideal > > here, but that doesn't seem to currently exist > > Have a look at Pablos way to go from pandoc via xhtml to context: > > https://github.com/ousia/from-pandoc-to-context > > Or a slightly improved fork: > https://github.com/aksdb/pandoc-xhtml > > I use this to write books with Markdown and produce the outputs with > pandoc to epub and pdf. > > With Pandoc you can use CSL files and include the bibliography via XML > into ConTeXt. > > HTH > juh > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to > the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2552 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 15:02 ` Jan U. Hasecke 2019-05-16 15:21 ` Denis Maier @ 2019-05-16 15:40 ` nyssus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: nyssus @ 2019-05-16 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Jan U. Hasecke On 16/05/2019 16:02, Jan U. Hasecke wrote: > Am 16.05.19 um 16:12 schrieb nyssus: >> Honestly, some way to use CSL files to style bibliography would be ideal >> here, but that doesn't seem to currently exist > Have a look at Pablos way to go from pandoc via xhtml to context: > > That's good if you're trying to convert documents from Markdown to ConTeXt, but not so good if you're used to writing documents in ConTeXt (or LaTeX for that matter) directly, as it's rather cumbersome to edit individual bibliographic entries outputted by pandoc compared to citation commands. ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Bibliography APS Style without unpublished 2019-05-16 10:48 ` Denis Maier 2019-05-16 14:12 ` nyssus @ 2019-05-16 20:43 ` Alan Braslau 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Alan Braslau @ 2019-05-16 20:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Denis Maier; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, 16 May 2019 12:48:30 +0200 Denis Maier <maier.de@gmail.com> wrote: > (2) there is a clear, defined standard that can be followed. > > This is actually the easier question: A few standard styles > immediately come to mind: MLA, Chicago 16th and 17 edition in its > various variants (author-date, note-bibliography, > fullnote-bibliography, both note styles with and without ibid.), > Modern Humanities Research Association... I guess having a model for > all major variants (authordate, authoryear, numeric, alphanumeric) > would be a good starting point. The main point is to have some document we can turn to as a reference so as to avoid (endless) debates about the "proper" way to do things. It has always been our intention to support more styles, but not endless variants as almost no publishers, universities and other institutions correctly follow any established specifications. > Also, we can implement more styles if (1) there is a need A call for specific use cases. -- Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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