* sort order in registers (indexes)
@ 2018-06-10 9:49 Henning Hraban Ramm
2018-06-10 10:42 ` Pablo Rodriguez
0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Ahoi,
usually, uppercase index entries are sorted before all lowercase entries.
Is there a simple setup to change that?
i.e. I need the sorting
sum - Sun - sunny
instead of
Sun - sum - sunny
I know I can influence sort order for single entries, but I’d like a general setting.
(Diacritics are handled as wanted.)
\starttext
\strut
\index{Sun}\index{sun}\index{Suomi}\index{suave}
\index{sunny}\index{sum}\index{Sumatra}\index{summon}
\index{sample}\index{super}
\index{şample}\index{südlich}\index{súper}
\index{şun}\index{sün}\index{şüñ}
\completeindex
\stoptext
Greetlings, Hraban
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 9:49 sort order in registers (indexes) Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 10:42 ` Pablo Rodriguez 2018-06-10 11:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-10 10:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 06/10/2018 11:49 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Ahoi, > > usually, uppercase index entries are sorted before all lowercase entries. > Is there a simple setup to change that? > > i.e. I need the sorting > sum - Sun - sunny > instead of > Sun - sum - sunny > > I know I can influence sort order for single entries, but I’d like a general setting. Hi Hraban, I think this may achieve what you want: \setupregister[index][method={zm,zc}] I hope it helps, Pablo > (Diacritics are handled as wanted.) > > > \starttext > \strut > \index{Sun}\index{sun}\index{Suomi}\index{suave} > \index{sunny}\index{sum}\index{Sumatra}\index{summon} > \index{sample}\index{super} > \index{şample}\index{südlich}\index{súper} > \index{şun}\index{sün}\index{şüñ} > > \completeindex > > \stoptext > > > > Greetlings, Hraban > --- > https://www.fiee.net > http://wiki.contextgarden.net > https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de > GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 10:42 ` Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-10 11:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-10 12:11 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 11:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-10 um 12:42 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>: > On 06/10/2018 11:49 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >> Ahoi, >> >> usually, uppercase index entries are sorted before all lowercase entries. >> Is there a simple setup to change that? >> >> i.e. I need the sorting >> sum - Sun - sunny >> instead of >> Sun - sum - sunny >> >> I know I can influence sort order for single entries, but I’d like a general setting. > > Hi Hraban, > > I think this may achieve what you want: > > \setupregister[index][method={zm,zc}] > > I hope it helps, Thank you very much! I overlooked that there is indeed some documentation: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/keyword:method (Source: http://repo.or.cz/w/context.git/blob/HEAD:/tex/context/base/sort-ini.lua) Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 11:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 12:11 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-10 16:16 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 12:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-10 um 13:07 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: >> I think this may achieve what you want: >> \setupregister[index][method={zm,zc}] >> I hope it helps, > > Thank you very much! > > I overlooked that there is indeed some documentation: > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/keyword:method But reading through that and the source I’m still confused. Source snippet: local validmethods = tohash { "ch", -- raw character (for tracing) "mm", -- minus mapping "zm", -- zero mapping "pm", -- plus mapping "mc", -- lower case - 1 "zc", -- lower case "pc", -- lower case + 1 "uc", -- unicode } local predefinedmethods = { [v_default] = "zc,pc,zm,pm,uc", [v_before] = "mm,mc,uc", [v_after] = "pm,mc,uc", [v_first] = "pc,mm,uc", [v_last] = "pc,mm,uc", } I’d like to write a proper explanation for the wiki (and my book). Is there anywhere documentation about the meaning/goal of the presets or algorithms? Are these codes translatable into something like "ignore diacritics", "ignore upper/lowercase" etc.? Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 12:11 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 16:16 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-10 18:09 ` Pablo Rodriguez 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-10 um 14:11 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: > Am 2018-06-10 um 13:07 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: > >>> I think this may achieve what you want: >>> \setupregister[index][method={zm,zc}] >>> I hope it helps, >> >> Thank you very much! >> >> I overlooked that there is indeed some documentation: >> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/keyword:method > > But reading through that and the source I’m still confused. > > I’d like to write a proper explanation for the wiki (and my book). > > Is there anywhere documentation about the meaning/goal of the presets or algorithms? > > Are these codes translatable into something like "ignore diacritics", "ignore upper/lowercase" etc.? Ok, I think I got it... For a proper sorting, you first apply a "mapping", then a "casing" and finally "unicode". Presets: default = upper like lowercase, diacritics separate before = upper before lower, diacritics ignored after = lower before upper, diacritics ignored first = lower before upper, diacritics separate last = upper before lower, diacritics separate * If you don’t set the sorting method, the preset "first" ist used (and not "default"). * There’s no preset for the (in my eyes most meaningful) combination "upper like lowercase, diacritics ignored" (zm,zc,uc). * Aren’t language specific sorting rules possible at the current state? Or does "unicode" handle that? E.g. -- DIN 5007-1 (German default sorting) is like zm,zc,uc, but ß should be sorted like ss. -- DIN 5007-2 (German phonebook sorting) would additionally require umlauts to be sorted as ä = ae etc. -- Austrian phonebook sorting sorts umlauts after base vocals, i.e. a, ä, o, ö, u, ü, s, ß. -- Danish and Norwegian: x, y, z, æ, ø, å -- Finnish and Swedish: x, y = ü, z, æ, ä, ö, ø, å (until 2006 v = w) -- etc. (according to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetische_Sortierung) If nobody objects I’ll add this to the wiki. Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 16:16 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 18:09 ` Pablo Rodriguez 2018-06-10 18:50 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-10 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On 06/10/2018 06:16 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > [...] > * Aren’t language specific sorting rules possible at the current state? Or does "unicode" handle that? > E.g. > -- DIN 5007-1 (German default sorting) is like zm,zc,uc, but ß should be sorted like ss. > -- DIN 5007-2 (German phonebook sorting) would additionally require umlauts to be sorted as ä = ae etc. > -- Austrian phonebook sorting sorts umlauts after base vocals, i.e. a, ä, o, ö, u, ü, s, ß. > -- Danish and Norwegian: x, y, z, æ, ø, å > -- Finnish and Swedish: x, y = ü, z, æ, ä, ö, ø, å (until 2006 v = w) > -- etc. > (according to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetische_Sortierung) sort-lan.lua contains different language definitions. Among others: DIN 5007-1, DIN 5007-2, Duden. Languages "de-AT", "no", "da" and "sv" are ordered as you explain. Swedish doesn’t contain ø (according to https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ø, it is replaced with ö) or ü (it is a foreign letter to their alphabet). and "fi" seems to order the way you describe. And v is different from w. I would say, Finnish isn’t included in sort-lan.lua. > If nobody objects I’ll add this to the wiki. Please, it would be extremely helpful (I remember thinking that registers didn’t make any sense in ConTeXt, before someone helped me). Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 18:09 ` Pablo Rodriguez @ 2018-06-10 18:50 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-10 19:07 ` Hans Hagen 2018-06-10 19:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 18:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-10 um 20:09 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>: > On 06/10/2018 06:16 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: >> [...] >> * Aren’t language specific sorting rules possible at the current state? Or does "unicode" handle that? >> E.g. >> -- DIN 5007-1 (German default sorting) is like zm,zc,uc, but ß should be sorted like ss. >> -- DIN 5007-2 (German phonebook sorting) would additionally require umlauts to be sorted as ä = ae etc. >> -- Austrian phonebook sorting sorts umlauts after base vocals, i.e. a, ä, o, ö, u, ü, s, ß. >> -- Danish and Norwegian: x, y, z, æ, ø, å >> -- Finnish and Swedish: x, y = ü, z, æ, ä, ö, ø, å (until 2006 v = w) >> -- etc. >> (according to https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetische_Sortierung) > > sort-lan.lua contains different language definitions. Ah, thanks for the hint. But how can I employ these definitions with index/list ordering? Setting mainlanguage and method "*,uc" doesn’t seem to do the trick. > Among others: DIN > 5007-1, DIN 5007-2, Duden. Hans, please add the replacement { "ß", "ss" } to definitions['DIN 5007-1'] and definitions['DIN 5007-2'] Thank you! > Swedish doesn’t contain ø (according to https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ø, > it is replaced with ö) or ü (it is a foreign letter to their alphabet). > and "fi" seems to order the way you describe. And v is different from w. I wouldn’t touch it then, who knows how accurate German wikipedia is... > I would say, Finnish isn’t included in sort-lan.lua. Yes it is. (http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/mkiv/sort-lan.lua) > Please, it would be extremely helpful (I remember thinking that > registers didn’t make any sense in ConTeXt, before someone helped me). As soon as I understand how the language dependent sorting works... Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 18:50 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 19:07 ` Hans Hagen 2018-06-10 20:20 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2018-06-10 19:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-10 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, wolfgang Schuster On 6/10/2018 8:50 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Hans, please add the replacement > { "ß", "ss" } > to definitions['DIN 5007-1'] and definitions['DIN 5007-2'] wolfgang provided these so he has to give his blessing Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 19:07 ` Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-10 20:20 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2018-06-10 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hans Hagen, Henning Hraban Ramm; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 331 bytes --] > Hans Hagen <mailto:j.hagen@xs4all.nl> > 10. Juni 2018 um 21:07 > On 6/10/2018 8:50 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > > wolfgang provided these so he has to give his blessing You can add them. AFAIK the ß replacement was added later (no idea who sent it) because it wasn’t in the patch I found in my mail archive. Wolfgang [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1327 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 492 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: sort order in registers (indexes) 2018-06-10 18:50 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2018-06-10 19:07 ` Hans Hagen @ 2018-06-10 19:26 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2018-06-10 19:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2018-06-10 um 20:50 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>: > Ah, thanks for the hint. But how can I employ these definitions with index/list ordering? > Setting mainlanguage and method "*,uc" doesn’t seem to do the trick. Sorry, found it. In my test file there was still "language=cz" in the setup, and the language key is not documented. > Hans, please add the replacement > { "ß", "ss" } > to definitions['DIN 5007-1'] and definitions['DIN 5007-2'] > Thank you! Wikified: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupregister http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/keyword:method Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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