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Best,=20Richard --=20 T=20+6433121699=C2=A0=C2=A0M=20+64210640216 rmahoney@indica-et-buddhica.org https://indica-et-buddhica.org/ Indica=20et=20Buddhica Littledene=C2=A0=C2=A0Bay=20Road=C2=A0=C2=A0Oxford=C2=A0=C2=A0NZ -----Original=20Message----- From:=20kau=C5=9Bika=20via=20ntg-context=20 Reply-To:=20mailing=20list=20for=20ConTeXt=20users=20 To:=20mailing=20list=20for=20ConTeXt=20users=20 Cc:=20kau=C5=9Bika=20 Subject:=20Re:=20[NTG-context]=20new=20upload Date:=20Sat,=2022=20Jan=202022=2018:01:42=20+0530 X-Spam-Score:=200.0 On=20Saturday,=20January=2022,=202022=2012:58:05=20AM=20IST=20Hans=20Hagen= =20via=20ntg- context=20 wrote: >=20-=20initial=20indic=20transliteration=20support=20..=20recent=20indic= =20(font) >=20experiences=20and=20transliteration=20tricks=20will=20be=20eplained=20b= y=20kau=C5=9Bika Recently=20when=20we=20were=20troubled=20by=20incorrect=20rendering=20of=20= certain conjuncts=20in=20 malayalam,=20Hans=20added=20a=20new=20font-feature.=20More=20below*,=20but= =20first=20some=20 background:=20from=20my=20testing,=20the=20main=20reason=20for=20the=20prob= lems=20with fonts=20seems=20 to=20come=20from=20the=20varied=20interpretations=20and/or=20implementation= s=20of=20OTF=20 specification.=20To=20add=20to=20this=20complexity=20there=20are=20two=20sc= ript=20tags (v1,=20v2=20in=20 OTF=20and=20-one,=20-two=20in=20ConTeXt)=20for=20each=20writing=20system=20= (script).=20While there=20 are=20fonts=20which=20work=20very=20well=20right=20away=20many=20others=20h= ave=20issues=20and the=20 feature=20was=20added=20to=20somewhat=20alleviate=20these=20issues. *The=20feature=20is=20'indic'.=20It=20has=20two=20aspects:=20'movematra'=20= and 'conjuncts'. conjuncts=20takes=20values:=20mixed=20|=20continue=20|=20quit=20|=20auto movematra=20takes=20values:=20default=20|=20leftbeforebase=20|=20auto By=20default=20 indic=3Dauto=20 for=20indic=20scripts.=20So=20this=20"should=20work"=20in=20most=20cases.= =20 In=20case=20there=20are=20issues,=20I=20have=20seen=20that=20the=20followin= g=20approach usually=20 yields=20best=20result=20in=20debugging: =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=20try=20to=20switch=20between=20the=20-one=20and=20-two=20v= ersion=20of=20the=20features (i.e.=20use=20 the=20v1=20or=20v2=20OTF=20script=20tag):=20some=20fonts=20may=20have=20som= e=20rules=20defined only=20under=20 one=20of=20the=20script=20tags.=20(I=20am=20not=20an=20expert=20in=20fonts= =20but=20with=20my testing=20of=20 free=20fonts=20I=20have=20seen=20this).=20 =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=20if=20that=20does=20not=20fix=20(the=20particular=20issue)= ,=20revert=20to=20a=20working feature=20and=20 then=20set=20the=20indic=20feature=20as=20indic=3D{movematra=3Ddefault,conj= uncts=3Dquit} to=20see =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=20Please=20see: =C2=A0https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg99691.html =C2=A0issues=20usually=20have=20a=20pattern=20(across=20languages/scripts= =20so=20some=20hacks might=20 work) For=20conjuncts,=20'mixed'=20and=20'auto'=20are=20synonymous.=20Setting conjuncts=3Dmixed=20 ensures=20that=20for=20some=20fonts=20conjuncts=20with=20the=20reph=20forms= =20are=20rendered correctly.=20(This=20was=20tested=20with=20a=20relatively=20new=20font=20in= =20malayalam using=20the=20 mlm2=20script=20tag). For=20problematic=20fonts,=20if=20one=20can=20identify=20which=20conjuncts= =20work=20under which=20 script=20tag=20and/or=20with=20what=20settings=20for=20indic,=20then,=20usi= ng=20ConTeXt feature=20 sets=20one=20can=20easily=20fix=20rendering=20in=20documents=20by=20doing,= =20for=20instance =C2=A0{\feature[=3D][devanagari-two]=20=E2=80=A6},=20and/or =C2=A0{\feature[=3D][devanagari-one]=20=E2=80=A6}=20accordingly =C2=A0See=20the=20comprehensive=20wiki=20page:=20 =C2=A0https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Featuresets=C2=A0 for=20more=20details=20on=20how=20such=20feautresets=20might=20be=20built= =20and=20applied. Now,=20a=20brief=20note=20on=20the=20transliterations=20macros.=20First,=20= one=20specifies that=20 indic=20transliteration=20is=20desired=20with: \usetransliteration[indic] Now,=20one=20can=20transliterate=20sanskrit=20to=20and=20from=20various=20f= orms=20by=20using \transliterate[scheme]{=20=E2=80=A6=20} where=20scheme=20is=20one=20of: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=E2=80=A2=20iast=20to=20deva =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=E2=80=A2=20deva=20to=20iast =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=E2=80=A2=20deva=20to=20mlym which=20are=20respectively=20the=20following=20schemes=20: =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=E2=80=A2=20IAST=20=E2=86=92=20Devanagari =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=E2=80=A2=20Devanagari=20=E2=86=92=20IAST =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20=E2=80=A2=20Devanagari=20=E2=86=92=20Malayalam More=20schemes=20will=20be=20added=20in=20the=20near=20future=20for=20vario= us=20other=20indic scripts=20 as=20well.=20Currently=20there=20is=20only=20support=20for=20sanskrit=20lan= guage,=20which we=20can=20 extend=20to=20other=20languages=20(wherever=20the=20script=20allows). Additionally,=20there=20is=20also=20 \definetransliteration[=E2=80=A6][=E2=80=A6] which=20can=20be=20used=20to=20define=20a=20specific=20transliteration=20bl= ock. So,=20one=20just=20sets=20vector=20accordingly=20to=20get=20the=20desired transliteration=20block.=20 Please=20see=20below=20a=20minimal=20example=20for=20both: %=20SOF \usetransliteration[indic] \definetransliteration =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20[MyIASTtoDeva] =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20[color=3Dblue, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20style=3Dbold, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20language=3Dsa, =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20vector=3D{iast=20to=20deva}] \starttransliteration[MyIASTtoDeva]%[color=3Dgreen]=C2=A0=C2=A0=20can=20set= =20a=20new color=20here=20 ida=E1=B9=81=20=C5=9Bar=C4=ABra=E1=B9=81=20kaunteya=20k=E1=B9=A3etramityabh= id=C4=AByate. etadyo=20vetti=20ta=E1=B9=81=20pr=C4=81hu=E1=B8=A5=20k=E1=B9=A3etraj=C3=B1a= =20iti=20tadvida=E1=B8=A5.=20 \stoptransliteration \transliteration[MyIASTtoDeva]{ida=E1=B9=81=20=C5=9Bar=C4=ABra=E1=B9=81=20k= aunteya k=E1=B9=A3etramityabhid=C4=AByate} %=20or=20directly=20 \transliterate[iast=20to=20deva]{ida=E1=B9=81=20=C5=9Bar=C4=ABra=E1=B9=81= =20kaunteya k=E1=B9=A3etramityabhid=C4=AByate} %=20EOF kau=C5=9Bika ______________________________________________________________________ _____________ If=20your=20question=20is=20of=20interest=20to=20others=20as=20well,=20plea= se=20add=20an=20entry to=20the=20Wiki! maillist=20:=20ntg-context@ntg.nl=C2=A0/ http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage=C2=A0=20:=20http://www.pragma-ade.nl=C2=A0/=20http://context.aanhet= .net archive=C2=A0=20:=20https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20:=20http://contextgarden.net ______________________________________________________________________ _____________ --=-zk8qd8cgdfmaJIQvrOnM Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank=20you=20Kau=C5=9Bika,=20these=20details= =20are=20v.=20helpful.


Best,=20Rich= ard



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-----Original=20Message-----
From= :=20kau=C5=9Bika=20via=20ntg-context=20<ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Reply-To:=20mailing=20lis= t=20for=20ConTeXt=20users=20<ntg-context@ntg.nl>
To:=20mailing=20list=20for=20ConTeXt=20users=20<ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Cc:=20kau=C5=9Bika=20<citturs@gmail.com>
Subject:=20Re:=20[NTG= -context]=20new=20upload
Date:=20Sat,=2022=20Jan=202022=20= 18:01:42=20+0530
X-Spam-Score:=200.0

On= =20Saturday,=20January=2022,=202022=2012:58:05=20AM=20IST=20Hans=20Hagen=20= via=20ntg-context=20
wrote:
-=20initial=20indic=20transliteration=20support=20.= .=20recent=20indic=20(font)
experiences=20and=20transliterati= on=20tricks=20will=20be=20eplained=20by=20kau=C5=9Bika

Recently=20when=20we=20were=20troubled=20by=20incorre= ct=20rendering=20of=20certain=20conjuncts=20in=20
malayalam,= =20Hans=20added=20a=20new=20font-feature.=20More=20below*,=20but=20first=20= some=20
background:=20from=20my=20testing,=20the=20main=20rea= son=20for=20the=20problems=20with=20fonts=20seems=20
to=20com= e=20from=20the=20varied=20interpretations=20and/or=20implementations=20of= =20OTF=20
specification.=20To=20add=20to=20this=20complexity= =20there=20are=20two=20script=20tags=20(v1,=20v2=20in=20
OTF= =20and=20-one,=20-two=20in=20ConTeXt)=20for=20each=20writing=20system=20(sc= ript).=20While=20there=20
are=20fonts=20which=20work=20very= =20well=20right=20away=20many=20others=20have=20issues=20and=20the=20
feature=20was=20added=20to=20somewhat=20alleviate=20these=20issues= .

*The=20feature=20is=20'indic'.=20It=20has=20= two=20aspects:=20'movematra'=20and=20'conjuncts'.

<= div>conjuncts=20takes=20values:=20mixed=20|=20continue=20|=20quit=20|=20aut= o
movematra=20takes=20values:=20default=20|=20leftbeforebase= =20|=20auto

By=20default=20
indi= c=3Dauto=20
for=20indic=20scripts.=20So=20this=20"should=20wo= rk"=20in=20most=20cases.=20

In=20case=20there= =20are=20issues,=20I=20have=20seen=20that=20the=20following=20approach=20us= ually=20
yields=20best=20result=20in=20debugging:
 =E2=80=A2=20try=20to=20switch=20between=20the=20-one=20and=20-two= =20version=20of=20the=20features=20(i.e.=20use=20
the=20v1=20= or=20v2=20OTF=20script=20tag):=20some=20fonts=20may=20have=20some=20rules= =20defined=20only=20under=20
one=20of=20the=20script=20tags.= =20(I=20am=20not=20an=20expert=20in=20fonts=20but=20with=20my=20testing=20o= f=20
free=20fonts=20I=20have=20seen=20this).=20
 =E2=80=A2=20if=20that=20does=20not=20fix=20(the=20particular=20issue= ),=20revert=20to=20a=20working=20feature=20and=20
then=20set= =20the=20indic=20feature=20as=20indic=3D{movematra=3Ddefault,conjuncts=3Dqu= it}=20to=20see
 =E2=80=A2=20Please=20see:
=  https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg99691.html
 issues=20usually=20have=20a=20pattern=20(across=20languag= es/scripts=20so=20some=20hacks=20might=20
work)

For=20conjuncts,=20'mixed'=20and=20'auto'=20are=20synonymou= s.=20Setting=20conjuncts=3Dmixed=20
ensures=20that=20for=20so= me=20fonts=20conjuncts=20with=20the=20reph=20forms=20are=20rendered=20
<= /div>
correctly.=20(This=20was=20tested=20with=20a=20relatively=20new= =20font=20in=20malayalam=20using=20the=20
mlm2=20script=20tag= ).

For=20problematic=20fonts,=20if=20one=20can= =20identify=20which=20conjuncts=20work=20under=20which=20
scr= ipt=20tag=20and/or=20with=20what=20settings=20for=20indic,=20then,=20using= =20ConTeXt=20feature=20
sets=20one=20can=20easily=20fix=20ren= dering=20in=20documents=20by=20doing,=20for=20instance
 = {\feature[=3D][devanagari-two]=20=E2=80=A6},=20and/or
 {= \feature[=3D][devanagari-one]=20=E2=80=A6}=20accordingly
&nbs= p;See=20the=20comprehensive=20wiki=20page:=20
 https://wiki.contextgarden.= net/Featuresets 
for=20more=20details=20on=20how=20s= uch=20feautresets=20might=20be=20built=20and=20applied.

<= /div>
Now,=20a=20brief=20note=20on=20the=20transliterations=20macros.= =20First,=20one=20specifies=20that=20
indic=20transliteration= =20is=20desired=20with:
\usetransliteration[indic]
<= div>
Now,=20one=20can=20transliterate=20sanskrit=20to=20and= =20from=20various=20forms=20by=20using

\transl= iterate[scheme]{=20=E2=80=A6=20}
where=20scheme=20is=20one=20= of:
   =20=E2=80=A2=20iast=20to=20deva
   =20=E2=80=A2=20deva=20to=20iast
&nbs= p;  =20=E2=80=A2=20deva=20to=20mlym
which=20are=20r= espectively=20the=20following=20schemes=20:
   = ;=20=E2=80=A2=20IAST=20=E2=86=92=20Devanagari
  &nb= sp;=20=E2=80=A2=20Devanagari=20=E2=86=92=20IAST
  &= nbsp;=20=E2=80=A2=20Devanagari=20=E2=86=92=20Malayalam
More= =20schemes=20will=20be=20added=20in=20the=20near=20future=20for=20various= =20other=20indic=20scripts=20
as=20well.=20Currently=20there= =20is=20only=20support=20for=20sanskrit=20language,=20which=20we=20can=20
extend=20to=20other=20languages=20(wherever=20the=20script=20a= llows).

Additionally,=20there=20is=20also=20
\definetransliteration[=E2=80=A6][=E2=80=A6]
whi= ch=20can=20be=20used=20to=20define=20a=20specific=20transliteration=20block= .

So,=20one=20just=20sets=20vector=20according= ly=20to=20get=20the=20desired=20transliteration=20block.=20
P= lease=20see=20below=20a=20minimal=20example=20for=20both:
%=20SOF
\usetransliteration[indic]
= \definetransliteration
   =20[MyIASTtoDeva]
   =20[color=3Dblue,
  &= nbsp; =20style=3Dbold,
    =20langua= ge=3Dsa,
    =20vector=3D{iast=20to=20dev= a}]

\starttransliteration[MyIASTtoDeva]%[color= =3Dgreen]  =20can=20set=20a=20new=20color=20here=20
ida=E1=B9=81=20=C5=9Bar=C4=ABra=E1=B9=81=20kaunteya=20k=E1=B9=A3etramityab= hid=C4=AByate.
etadyo=20vetti=20ta=E1=B9=81=20pr=C4=81hu=E1= =B8=A5=20k=E1=B9=A3etraj=C3=B1a=20iti=20tadvida=E1=B8=A5.=20
= \stoptransliteration

\transliteration[MyIASTto= Deva]{ida=E1=B9=81=20=C5=9Bar=C4=ABra=E1=B9=81=20kaunteya=20k=E1=B9=A3etram= ityabhid=C4=AByate}

%=20or=20directly=20
\transliterate[iast=20to=20deva]{ida=E1=B9=81=20=C5=9Bar=C4=ABra= =E1=B9=81=20kaunteya=20k=E1=B9=A3etramityabhid=C4=AByate}
%= =20EOF

kau=C5=9Bika


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