* docs @ 2009-05-14 12:01 R. Bastian 2009-05-14 12:30 ` docs luigi scarso ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: R. Bastian @ 2009-05-14 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your help. A first series of question: -. For a newcommer, is Mk II the best choice ? -. Is it necessary to know TeX ? or Is ConTeXt (CTX) compatible with TeX ? I wish to alternate french & german texts (so they can be translated in other languages). rb "" Wanderer, kommst du nach LuaTeX, dann hoff nicht zuviel, sonst hast du PeX """ ;-) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2009-05-14 12:01 docs R. Bastian @ 2009-05-14 12:30 ` luigi scarso [not found] ` <954f61110905140545p287dd766r6b75756aaca14ba1@mail.gmail.com> 2009-05-14 13:24 ` docs Diego Depaoli ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2009-05-14 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 532 bytes --] On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:01 PM, R. Bastian <rbastian@free.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers > which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. > > But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your > help. > A first series of question: > read-and-answer-in-0seconds > > -. For a newcommer, is Mk II the best choice ? > yes > > -. Is it necessary to know TeX ? > yes > > or Is ConTeXt (CTX) compatible with TeX ? > yes -- luigi [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1328 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: docs [not found] ` <954f61110905140545p287dd766r6b75756aaca14ba1@mail.gmail.com> @ 2009-05-14 15:30 ` R. Bastian 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: R. Bastian @ 2009-05-14 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:45:20 +0200 Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> scribit: > 2009/5/14 luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com>: > >> I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) > >> newcomers > >> which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. > >> But I know nothing about ConTeXt. > > On the one hand it's a good idea to write an introduction / a tutorial > for something you don't know, because you'll learn it that way. > On the other hand it's a very bad idea to write about something you don't know. > > On the third hand I'm just writing a German introduction for someone > who will use ConTeXt MkIV for scripts of a private medical school. > As soon as it's usable, I'll release it open source. > > There are my old intro slides at > http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-1&lang=de - but they're from > 2003 and thus heavily outdated. Very fine. I will study the source. > > > Greetlings, Hraban > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2009-05-14 12:01 docs R. Bastian 2009-05-14 12:30 ` docs luigi scarso @ 2009-05-14 13:24 ` Diego Depaoli 2009-05-14 13:49 ` docs Aditya Mahajan 2009-05-14 14:59 ` docs Mari Voipio 3 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Diego Depaoli @ 2009-05-14 13:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users 2009/5/14 R. Bastian <rbastian@free.fr>: > I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers > which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. > But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your help. > A first series of question: > -. Is it necessary to know TeX ? no, if you know Wolfgang :-D Regards -- Diego Depaoli ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2009-05-14 12:01 docs R. Bastian 2009-05-14 12:30 ` docs luigi scarso 2009-05-14 13:24 ` docs Diego Depaoli @ 2009-05-14 13:49 ` Aditya Mahajan 2009-05-14 15:12 ` docs R. Bastian 2009-05-14 14:59 ` docs Mari Voipio 3 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2009-05-14 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Thu, 14 May 2009, R. Bastian wrote: > Hi, > > I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers > which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. > > But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your help. > A first series of question: > > -. For a newcommer, is Mk II the best choice ? Yes. But the only major difference (from the user's point of view) in MkII and MkIV is typescript definitions. Other commands are mostly same. > -. Is it necessary to know TeX ? For the most part no. You can use ConTeXt without knowing anything about catcodes, text encodings (always use unicode), \hbox and \vbox (use \framed etc), and \halign (use tables and mathalignments). You need to know a bit about font handling, but ConTeXt does that completely differently from TeX. > or Is ConTeXt (CTX) compatible with TeX ? It is compatible in the sense that a plain tex document will work in Context. You may not always get the same output as the defaults are different. > I wish to alternate french & german texts (so they can be translated in > other languages). Also see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion%2C_translations The wiki page is old and the svn repo is not accessible right now, but someone started translating it into french. Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2009-05-14 13:49 ` docs Aditya Mahajan @ 2009-05-14 15:12 ` R. Bastian 2009-05-14 16:25 ` docs Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: R. Bastian @ 2009-05-14 15:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> scribit: > On Thu, 14 May 2009, R. Bastian wrote: > [...] > > > I wish to alternate french & german texts (so they can be translated in > > other languages). > > Also see > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion%2C_translations > > The wiki page is old and the svn repo is not accessible right now, but > someone started translating it into french. Thanks, but I will write the source in the following manner: -------------------- \german Was meinst Du? \bavarian Woas moanst? \french Que veux-tu dire ? ------------------------ It is not necessaury to make texian acrobaties: the extraction can be done by a little Python-script > > Aditya > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2009-05-14 15:12 ` docs R. Bastian @ 2009-05-14 16:25 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2009-05-14 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 14.05.2009 um 17:12 schrieb R. Bastian: > Thanks, but I will write the source in the following manner: > -------------------- > \german > > Was meinst Du? > > \bavarian > > Woas moanst? > > \french > Que veux-tu dire ? When you want you complete document in one language you can write \startmode[de] Was meinst du? \stopmode \startmode[fr] Que veux-tu dire ? \stopmode and call context with "context --modes=de filename" for the german version. For a version with the text for two languages on facing pages you can use your example code as it is with the streams module. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2009-05-14 12:01 docs R. Bastian ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2009-05-14 13:49 ` docs Aditya Mahajan @ 2009-05-14 14:59 ` Mari Voipio 3 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Mari Voipio @ 2009-05-14 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users R. Bastian wrote: > -. Is it necessary to know TeX ? I assume it depends on what you are planning to do with ConTeXt. I've been using ConTeXt for at least five years now, but I've never touched TeX (nor LaTeX nor any others, just ConTeXt). I've got a vague idea what it is about and that's it. Some points though: - background in something else than WYSIWYG editing (What You See Is What You Get = Word, for example) helps a lot. Before I started with ConTeXt I'd already done my share of html and I've learned to do structured documents also in word processing (i.e. "mark it heading 1" instead of "make that big and black). - I do ConTeXt pretty much with the "learn-as-you-go" philosophy and when I really have to learn something, I'm pretty determined; most of my ConTeXt usage is at work and if something needs to be done, it has to get done and I can't back off if it seems difficult first. (It took me two days, lot of swearing and a few questions on this mailing list to achieve my first ConTeXt doc in Cyrillic, but I did it in the end. Now it is of course as easy as can be...) - depends on the operationg system and user's backgrouns, too. Those who've used linux/mainframe are probably less likely to be upset by ConTeXt while your average Mac/Windows user may go crazy at the steep start of the learning curve; I'd done some unix and that definitely increased my tolerance. There are days when I swear and yell and curse myself for going over from Word to ConTeXt. But on 9 days out of 10 I pat myself on the back for making the switch. Especially on those styles when MS Word defies all of my attempts to keep a document structurally styled... That's my five cents, Mari ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* pdfTeX questions @ 2004-05-31 9:07 Peter Münster [not found] ` <m23c5ghqcy.fsf@leva na.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2004-05-31 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) [-- Attachment #1: Type: TEXT/PLAIN, Size: 825 bytes --] Hello, I have some questions concerning pdfTeX, the following example illustrates the problems: \setupoutput[pdftex] \enableregime[il1] \pdfinfo{ /Title (\"Ubung) /Author (Münster) } % neither \"U nor ü work \pdfcatalog{ /PageMode /FullScreen } % this works well \pdfdest num 1 fitbh % I would like to get the same result as in LaTeX with % \hypersetup{pdfstartview={FitBH}} \starttext some text \externalfigure[example][width=5cm] some text, jpeg-figure is shifted down and to the left. The file example.jpg is attached. The versions: pdfeTeX, Version 3.14159-1.10b-2.1 (Web2C 7.4.5) ConTeXt ver: 2004.3.16 fmt: 2004.5.18 int: english mes: english \stoptext TIA for any help, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/ [-- Attachment #2: example.jpg --] [-- Type: IMAGE/jpeg, Size: 2718 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: pdfTeX questions @ 2004-05-31 12:09 ` Peter Münster [not found] ` <m2hdtw92rn.fs f@levana.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Peter Münster @ 2004-05-31 12:09 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 31 May 2004, Patrick Gundlach wrote: > \setupinteraction[title=Übung,Author=Münster] Thanks, I missed those keys in the manual. Ü is still not working, perhaps I should update to ConTeXt-2004.4.9 ? It seems, that there is no key named "keywords" ? > > \pdfdest num 1 fitbh % I would like to get the same result as in LaTeX with > > % \hypersetup{pdfstartview={FitBH}} > what does this do? FitBH means, fit to width of bounding box. When reading text on the screen, the combination of FullScreen and FitBH seems to me optimal. When you create a pdf-file of the following LaTeX-source (with pdflatex), you see all features, I'm looking for: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \usepackage{hyperref} \hypersetup{pdfstartview=FitBH,pdfpagemode=FullScreen, pdfauthor={Peter Münster},pdftitle={A title},pdfsubject={The subject}, pdfkeywords={some keywords}} \begin{document} \section{Section with ö, with bookmark} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla \end{document} BTW, how do you create bookmarks with ConTeXt? I tried the following, but it did not work: \setupoutput[pdftex] \enableregime[il1] \setupinteraction[state=start,menu=on] \setupinteractionmenu[left][state=start] \setupinteractionscreen[option=bookmark] \starttext \section{Section with ö} some text \stoptext Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: Re: pdfTeX questions @ 2004-06-01 18:08 ` Hans Hagen [not found] ` <m2n032tvs8.fs f@levana.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-01 18:08 UTC (permalink / raw) At 14:53 31/05/2004, Patrick Gundlach wrote >a quick test shows that >/Author (M¸nster) is put in the pdf file, where the Character after >the M is 0xfc. Dunno if this is right. dunno either but it is supposed to be in the proper encoding (unicode or pdfdoc) btw, using \pdf... primitives is a bad idea > > It seems, that there is no key named "keywords" ? > >Hans? it's 'keyword' (e.g. keyword={a,b,c}) for patrick (added to setupb/setupinteraction): \variable[\c!trefwoord][\c!text!][] Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: ConTeXt-Wiki @ 2004-06-20 14:12 ` Patrick Gundlach [not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406211628270.10949@dunedai n.cs.tu-berlin.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-20 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello Holger and everybody, >> [starting ConTeXt wiki at] http://members.ping.de:8062/ > Finde ich eine gute Idee! Was mir (neben der Hilfe auf auf der Liste für > neue Probleme) am meisten bringt, und ich bisher etwas vermisse, sind > Beispiel-Dokumente (genauer: deren Quellcode). [missing example documents and sources] What kind of example documents do you think of? I guess that you know that the magazines on the main ConTeXt site have their source code included? Patrick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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* Re: ConTeXt-Wiki @ 2004-06-22 15:55 ` Patrick Gundlach 2004-06-22 16:13 ` ConTeXt-Wiki Matt Gushee 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 15:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Hello Holger, >> >> [starting ConTeXt wiki at] http://members.ping.de:8062/ >> What kind of example documents do you think of? I guess that you know >> that the magazines on the main ConTeXt site have their source code >> included? > I was thinking of all kinds of day-to-day documents, like the letter > template I mentioned. I could not find one according to DIN-standards, so I > did some trial-and-error experiments and created my own. What were the difficulties you ran into? > Arguments for a collection could be: > > 1) Perhaps a comprehensive and classified collection of sample documents > could spare others such time consuming trials. a) it is impossible to have a comprehensive collection of documents. There are too many faces ConTeXt has. b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities: 1) layout trickery macro hacking itemize weirdness crazy table fun or 2) letters articles poems magazines/newspaper Any other? Which one makes sense? > 2) On the other hand, my template could for sure be further improved (beyond > the level, I am capable of), so by putting it on a WIKI, I may get hints > and feedback by others. Yes, that would be a great thing. This is actually the reason why I started this wiki (and texshow-web). > What was your motivation for mentioning such a collection on the WIKI? Every 4 months this question arises on this mailinglist. (Not really true). > Another advantage of the WIKI would be the following: I am often lost, when > I try to remember, where I found a certain hint/trick/technique I am > remembering. If there is a place where everyone can edit pages and include > hints or links to information, then there would be no need to create more > and more separate web sites about ConTeXt, because the content could be > placed in the WIKI, or it could at least be linked from there. And (the best part!) there is a search field in the wiki. So if you have important information there, get it in a few seconds. But it is up to every user to add things to the wiki. Patrick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: ConTeXt-Wiki 2004-06-22 15:55 ` ConTeXt-Wiki Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 16:13 ` Matt Gushee 2004-06-22 17:00 ` ConTeXt-Wiki Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Matt Gushee @ 2004-06-22 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, Jun 22, 2004 at 05:55:24PM +0200, Patrick Gundlach wrote: > > Arguments for a collection could be: > > > > 1) Perhaps a comprehensive and classified collection of sample documents > > could spare others such time consuming trials. > > a) it is impossible to have a comprehensive collection of documents. > There are too many faces ConTeXt has. > > b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities: Yes, it is hard to classify them (and many other things) if you insist on forcing them into a single, canonical hierarchy. But what if you classified documents on the basis of keywords, or key phrases? Then visitors could either search based on those phrases or browse a keyword index. Of course, that assumes your Wiki software has some means of managing metadata. And you could just make some arbitrary decisions about what materials should be included and how to classify them. Even a very imperfect collection would be more helpful than none. And if people don't like your collection, tell them to start their own. Isn't that what the Web is all about? -- Matt Gushee When a nation follows the Way, Englewood, Colorado, USA Horses bear manure through mgushee@havenrock.com its fields; http://www.havenrock.com/ When a nation ignores the Way, Horses bear soldiers through its streets. --Lao Tzu (Peter Merel, trans.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-Wiki 2004-06-22 16:13 ` ConTeXt-Wiki Matt Gushee @ 2004-06-22 17:00 ` Patrick Gundlach 2004-06-22 17:13 ` ConTeXt-Wiki jimarin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi Matt, >> b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities: > > Yes, it is hard to classify them (and many other things) if you insist > on forcing them into a single, canonical hierarchy. Oh, I don't insist on anything; I just don't have clue how to start... > But what if you classified documents on the basis of keywords, or > key phrases? Then visitors could either search based on those > phrases or browse a keyword index. > > Of course, that assumes your Wiki software has some means of managing > metadata. As far as I can see, it doesn't. But putting keywords on the pages could help. > And you could just make some arbitrary decisions about what materials > should be included and how to classify them. Even a very imperfect > collection would be more helpful than none. Probably true. > And if people don't like your collection, tell them to start their > own. Isn't that what the Web is all about? Right. Easy to change everything. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: ConTeXt-Wiki 2004-06-22 17:00 ` ConTeXt-Wiki Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-22 17:13 ` jimarin 2004-06-23 5:56 ` Maurice Diamantin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: jimarin @ 2004-06-22 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi all, the idea of the keywords is very nice... in http://wiki.tcl.tk you can search for a specific page using the url like in http://wiki.tcl.tk/file even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in: http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu* perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki...don´t know how tclers do theirs, but I guess they use tcl and they more or less can give some advice. Just some thoughts. Cheers, Jose Ignacio > Hi Matt, > >>> b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities: >> >> Yes, it is hard to classify them (and many other things) if you insist >> on forcing them into a single, canonical hierarchy. > > Oh, I don't insist on anything; I just don't have clue how to start... > >> But what if you classified documents on the basis of keywords, or >> key phrases? Then visitors could either search based on those >> phrases or browse a keyword index. >> >> Of course, that assumes your Wiki software has some means of managing >> metadata. > > As far as I can see, it doesn't. But putting keywords on the pages > could help. > >> And you could just make some arbitrary decisions about what materials >> should be included and how to classify them. Even a very imperfect >> collection would be more helpful than none. > > Probably true. > >> And if people don't like your collection, tell them to start their >> own. Isn't that what the Web is all about? > > Right. Easy to change everything. > > > Patrick > -- > texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 > ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: ConTeXt-Wiki 2004-06-22 17:13 ` ConTeXt-Wiki jimarin @ 2004-06-23 5:56 ` Maurice Diamantin 2004-06-23 8:51 ` Tobias Burnus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Maurice Diamantin @ 2004-06-23 5:56 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Maurice Diamantin Le 22 juin 04, à 19:13, jimarin@bayesinf.com a écrit : > the idea of the keywords is very nice... > in > http://wiki.tcl.tk > you can search for a specific page using the url yes! it's the best exemple I know about! No need to define a strict hierchical structure. Also, this could be the url for hight level FAQ (this forum it not realy a hight level forum!) - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) - which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!) - how many euro poeple would pay for a reference ConTeXt book? I know these questions has been answered somewhere, and some days ago, But I know that because I have followed this mailing list for months. But I'm not sure I'm able to find these without asking to this list! > like in > > http://wiki.tcl.tk/file > > even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in: > > http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu* > > perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki...don´t know how tclers do > theirs, but I guess they use tcl and they more or less can give some > advice. > > Just some thoughts. > > Cheers, > > Jose Ignacio -- Maurice Diamantini http://www.ensta.fr/~diam ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: ConTeXt-Wiki 2004-06-23 5:56 ` Maurice Diamantin @ 2004-06-23 8:51 ` Tobias Burnus 2004-06-23 12:24 ` Maurice Diamantin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Tobias Burnus @ 2004-06-23 8:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Maurice Diamantin Hello, Maurice Diamantin wrote: > - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) Well, ConTeXt is regarded as opensource. The last time I read the licence it looked pretty free. In how far do you think should ConTeXt become more "open source"? BSD licence without advertising clause? LGPL? Note that teTeX comes with this licence statement by Thomas Esser ("doc/context/base/LICENSE.teTeX"): "I have taken great care to ensure that teTeX is free software. When speaking about free software, I always refer to the definition of the Free Software Foundation, given as http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. To my understanding, ConTeXt with the mreadme.pdf-license already classifies as free software (as defined by the FSF). To be 100% sure of this fact, I hereby make ConTeXt free software "by definition" by adding the following clause to ConTeXt's license: If ConTeXt is not free software by the license in mreadme.pdf, the following terms replace the licence for ConTeXt given in mreadme.pdf: This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.[...]" > - which/where is the reference documentation > (don't reply with some recursive answer!) Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated and incomplete. But I think the "ConTeXt - the manual" is rather good though incomplete. * > - how many euro poeple would pay for a reference > ConTeXt book? You mean a printed version of the revised/enhanced "ConTeXt - a manual"? Regards, Tobias ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: ConTeXt-Wiki 2004-06-23 8:51 ` Tobias Burnus @ 2004-06-23 12:24 ` Maurice Diamantin 2004-06-23 15:09 ` ConTeXt-Wiki Patrick Gundlach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Maurice Diamantin @ 2004-06-23 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Maurice Diamantin Le 23 juin 04, à 10:51, Tobias Burnus a écrit : > Maurice Diamantin wrote: > >> - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) > > Well, ConTeXt is regarded as opensource. OK, probably I looked at this file too long ago. I agree ConTeXt is now Open source. But as Open Source, I also (by mistake) mean a SourceForge projet from which: - an **unique** starting URL. - dated version would be available, - current official documentation (I didn't mean "documentationsssssssssss") - access (via links) to to any other information (pragma, wiki, ...) >> - which/where is the reference documentation >> (don't reply with some recursive answer!) > > Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated > and incomplete. > But I think the "ConTeXt - the manual" is rather good though > incomplete. > * Yes I agree that "ConTeXt - the manual" is **the** currently reference manual. As such, it should probably be a more or less maintained an uptodate (but not as other said "uptodate" context documents :-) version. >> - how many euro poeple would pay for a reference >> ConTeXt book? > > You mean a printed version of the revised/enhanced "ConTeXt - a > manual"? Yes! I know that it's a big work to maintain such a documentation, and probably (?), even Hans should eat some food (and sleep) from time to time! So if this work could be sell as a "ConTeXt book". I think it could make a great difference for peoples who hesitate to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt : no book available for now! This book could be reedited perhaps every 2 years, and updates (and perhaps the book itself ?) could be made available on the web. I agree there is much less ConText user than LaTeX user, but: - this book whould be the only ConTeXt book available, so it should be easy to sell, - the fact that there is a ConTeXt book should make ConTeXt more attractive (as for a SourceForge projet) -- Maurice ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: ConTeXt-Wiki 2004-06-23 12:24 ` Maurice Diamantin @ 2004-06-23 15:09 ` Patrick Gundlach 2004-06-23 16:59 ` SF project and docs (was: ConTeXt-Wiki) Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-23 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi, > But as Open Source, I also (by mistake) mean a SourceForge projet > from which: > - an **unique** starting URL. www.pragma-ade.com > - dated version would be available, http://www.pragma-ade.com/download.htm > - current official documentation (I didn't mean > "documentationsssssssssss") Well, ConTeXt is too complicated to have all aspects in one book. > - access (via links) to to any other information (pragma, wiki, ...) http://www.pragma-ade.com/links.htm >>> - which/where is the reference documentation >>> (don't reply with some recursive answer!) >> >> Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated >> and incomplete. >> But I think the "ConTeXt - the manual" is rather good though >> incomplete. > Yes I agree that "ConTeXt - the manual" is **the** currently reference > manual. > As such, it should probably be a more or less maintained an uptodate > (but not as other said "uptodate" context documents :-) version. I agree with you there. The documentation should be updated a bit and put togehter. The uptodate manuals should go into different manuals and vanish, since they are not uptodate anymore (perhaps they are uptodate, but the date is behind). [...] Talking about a sourceforge project. I guess that Hans would still keep his ConTeXt distribution private (at PRAGMA ADE [btw. what is the correct way to write your company's name?]) and not care very much about any other SF project (as long as it does not get into his way), but would be very reluctant giving support for the different project. Once an tool is necessary for your everyday work, it is a bad thing to give it out of your control. If you need a SF project, make one (actually, there is one as I have been told). But keep in mind that you should follow the license restrictions in mreadme.pdf *and* you have to do all by yourself, since most people here (I guess) are happy the way it is now. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: SF project and docs (was: ConTeXt-Wiki) 2004-06-23 15:09 ` ConTeXt-Wiki Patrick Gundlach @ 2004-06-23 16:59 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2004-06-24 14:13 ` Maurice Diamantini 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2004-06-23 16:59 UTC (permalink / raw) Am 23.06.2004 um 17:09 schrieb Patrick Gundlach: > Talking about a sourceforge project. I guess that Hans would still > keep his ConTeXt distribution private (at PRAGMA ADE [btw. what is > the correct way to write your company's name?]) and not care very > much about any other SF project (as long as it does not get into his > way), but would be very reluctant giving support for the different > project. Once an tool is necessary for your everyday work, it is a > bad thing to give it out of your control. And don't forget all the problems of SF - slow, overcrowded servers etc. It would be very unconvenient for Hans - and as we know he has enough work. And, Maurice, remember: Is there any complete LaTeX manual? No, there isn't - there are lots of books on different levels, most of them keep errors or describe old or obsolete packages or techniques. And every package has its own docs that you should read - some are books itself (e.g. komascript). So there's a lot more in the "basic" ConTeXt manual than in most LaTeX books! Sure, it could always be more & better... I agree that the whole plethora of single docs isn't really overviewable. But otherwise they're a nice demonstration of ConTeXt's capabilities - and I guess Hans meant them to be. Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: SF project and docs (was: ConTeXt-Wiki) 2004-06-23 16:59 ` SF project and docs (was: ConTeXt-Wiki) Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2004-06-24 14:13 ` Maurice Diamantini 2004-06-24 19:12 ` docs Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Maurice Diamantini @ 2004-06-24 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: Maurice Diamantini Le 23 juin 04, à 18:59, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit : > And, Maurice, remember: Is there any complete LaTeX manual? > No, there isn't - there are lots of books on different levels, > most of them keep errors or describe old or obsolete packages or > techniques. Yes, there is some reference books LateX from Lamport A guide to Latex 2e ... which all are **suffisant** to do complete scientific documents - mathematiques (not mathxml, which has never be done for beeing written by hand!) - biblio (m-bib) The latex reference book is very small because it does't describe any extension. A ConTeXt reference book would be much like an uptodate cont-eni.pdf manual. It would be comparable to the couple "LaTeX Lamport + Latex Compagnon" For me, some of the top documentations are : gettingStartWithContext LaTeXtoContext.pdf refcontextbook (alias cont-eni for the 8.3 system) metafun-s.pdf the m-bib module and its doc the m-nath module and its doc up-004.p.pdf for table But the reference cont-eni.pdf doesn't talk about math nor biblio. Also there is several means to do tables, and it seams that the two main context reference documents (gettingStart and cont-eni.pdf) doesn't talk about the same table system. Morever, neither of them talk about the last most supported table system which seams to be enattab.pdf!! > And every latex package has its own docs that you should read - some > are books itself (e.g. komascript). Doen't know about it, doen't need it, so I'm glab it is not in the latex manuals :-) > So there's a lot more in the "basic" ConTeXt manual than in most > LaTeX books! Sure, it could always be more & better... > I agree that the whole plethora of single docs isn't really > overviewable. But otherwise they're a nice demonstration of > ConTeXt's capabilities - and I guess Hans meant them to be. It's a good thing that additive fonctionnalities, or full reference of specialised features are not included in the standard manual, I've never asked that the metafun book should be include in the contextbook! I think the simplest thing to do is a to make a lite introduction documentation for use as a guide about which docs should be seen as reference (which table to use, how to to biblio, ...) Also, I think yet that a litly modified version of the contextbook.pdf, by adding the new table, nath and biblio module, should be sufficiant for most peoples. A year ago, I thought that context could become the real "latex3" project, But now, I think that the context is missing for some universities support (latex developpers, user documentation for students, ...). An uptodate documentation could help! Cordialement, -- Maurice ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-24 14:13 ` Maurice Diamantini @ 2004-06-24 19:12 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2004-06-24 19:34 ` docs Idris Samawi Hamid 2004-06-24 19:42 ` docs William D. Neumann 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2004-06-24 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Am 24.06.2004 um 16:13 schrieb Maurice Diamantini: > A ConTeXt reference book would be much like an uptodate > cont-eni.pdf manual. It would be comparable to the couple > "LaTeX Lamport + Latex Compagnon" Would be, should be, yes. > But the reference cont-eni.pdf doesn't talk about math nor biblio. Both are extensions from my point of view. Even if math is "typical" for TeX, it's not typical for ConTeXt. I think the typical university user is content with LaTeX. ConTeXt is for those who like to design their own layout. I seldom need any formula - TeX/ConTeXt is for me simply the system of choice for big documents (books), presentations and everything scriptable. (For most of my work I use InDesign.) > Also there is several means to do tables, and it seams > that the two main context reference documents (gettingStart and > cont-eni.pdf) doesn't talk about the same table system. > Morever, neither of them talk about the last most supported > table system which seams to be enattab.pdf!! Yes, that's confusing. I made an overview in my german docs, will transfer it to the Wiki soon. >> And every latex package has its own docs that you should read - some >> are books itself (e.g. komascript). > Doen't know about it, doen't need it, so I'm glab it is not in > the latex manuals :-) The KOMA classes are an enhanced replacement for the standard LaTeX classes my Markus Kohm. If you use LaTeX it's a pity if you don't know them! > I think the simplest thing to do is a to make a lite introduction > documentation for use as a guide about which docs should be seen > as reference (which table to use, how to to biblio, ...) Again, I don't think that bibliographies are basic. But I'm no scientific user. Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-24 19:12 ` docs Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2004-06-24 19:34 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 2004-06-24 21:58 ` docs Henning Hraban Ramm 2004-06-25 6:21 ` docs Taco Hoekwater 2004-06-24 19:42 ` docs William D. Neumann 1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2004-06-24 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:12:34 +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote: > Again, I don't think that bibliographies are basic. > But I'm no scientific user. Actually, I think bibliographies are VERY basic. I edit an academic journal; each article has to have its own bib and m-bib can only be used once per document, and the (old) version I use has a few bugs (will try the latest version after some mission-critical stuff is out; I've (amateurishly) hacked the old version so that it at least does what I want for now). But ConTeXt really needs a full-fledged bibliography solution as part of the basic package I think. Question: in what context (no pun intended) do you use InDesign? Where is ConTeXt not so applicable? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-24 19:34 ` docs Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2004-06-24 21:58 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2004-06-25 6:21 ` docs Taco Hoekwater 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2004-06-24 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw) Am 24.06.2004 um 21:34 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid: > Question: in what context (no pun intended) do you use InDesign? Where > is ConTeXt not so applicable? My main work (at home) is a bimonthly magazine ("unitarische blätter" for german unitarian religious fellowship); I know Hans (and perhaps some others) could do it with ConTeXt, but not me; I prefer to work "visible" if I use a lot of pictures and a non-scriptable layout. Further I use it as text processor for letters etc., but therefore I ever wanted to make a ConTeXt environment. At work (a daily newspaper) we use InDesign for all the ads - that is, I work there as a programmer and sysadmin, so I don't really work with InDesign but only test its PostScript code or PDFs. (Today I recognized that it always writes OPI comments for TIFFs and never for EPS, independent from your output options; further it can't separate duplex EPS from PhotoShop, only DCS...) Sorry for being OT. At work I use ConTeXt for presentations (e.g. Acrobat tutorial) and flowcharts. At home for books, my address book, my ConTeXt tutorial and some small stuff. Grüßlis vom Hraban! --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-24 19:34 ` docs Idris Samawi Hamid 2004-06-24 21:58 ` docs Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2004-06-25 6:21 ` Taco Hoekwater 2004-06-25 15:23 ` docs Idris Samawi Hamid 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2004-06-25 6:21 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:34:20 -0600 Idris Samawi Hamid <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote: > Actually, I think bibliographies are VERY basic. I edit an academic > journal; each article has to have its own bib and m-bib can only be used > once per document, and the (old) version I use has a few bugs (will try > the latest version after some mission-critical stuff is out; I've > (amateurishly) hacked the old version so that it at least does what I want > for now). Hello Idris, If you tell me what you want from the bib package, chances are that it will be added (if you don't, it won't be). Generally, without feature requests there will never be any new features, and without bug reports bugs will never get fixed. So: if anybody has requests for the bib package, let me know. Greetings, Taco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-25 6:21 ` docs Taco Hoekwater @ 2004-06-25 15:23 ` Idris Samawi Hamid 0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2004-06-25 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:21:03 +0200, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote: > Hello Idris, > > If you tell me what you want from the bib package, chances are that it > will be added (if you don't, it won't be). Thnx, Taco, u r right of course; I am just waiting till I can test the latest version of m-bib before I submit a report (since u may have already fixed things). After I get some mission-critical stuff to the printer I'll be in a better position to do that. Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-24 19:12 ` docs Henning Hraban Ramm 2004-06-24 19:34 ` docs Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2004-06-24 19:42 ` William D. Neumann 2004-06-25 16:11 ` docs Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: William D. Neumann @ 2004-06-24 19:42 UTC (permalink / raw) On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Even if math is "typical" for TeX, it's not typical for ConTeXt. > > I think the typical university user is content with LaTeX. > ConTeXt is for those who like to design their own layout. And that's, unfortunately, a poor view to take. I would love to use ConTeXt for more of my academic writing, as it makes a lot of tasks much easier, not just layout and design. Unfortunately, it's inability to play like LaTeX when it comes to even such basic things as footnotes, means that I have to constantly turn back to LaTeX whenever I need to write something for work or school. > Again, I don't think that bibliographies are basic. > But I'm no scientific user. And for those of us who are, bibliographies are *crucial* and should be considered a basic part of any tpesetting program that wants to be taken seriously. And while m-bib is usually sufficient, it too has enough quirks that it's just not worth the time to even bother if you want to submit a paper that has a special format requirement for the bibliographies. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. -- Tony-A (some guy on /.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-24 19:42 ` docs William D. Neumann @ 2004-06-25 16:11 ` Hans Hagen 2004-06-25 16:56 ` docs William D. Neumann 0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-25 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw) William D. Neumann wrote: >And that's, unfortunately, a poor view to take. I would love to use >ConTeXt for more of my academic writing, as it makes a lot of tasks much >easier, not just layout and design. Unfortunately, it's inability to play >like LaTeX when it comes to even such basic things as footnotes, mean > eh .. what's wrong with the footnotes? Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-25 16:11 ` docs Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-25 16:56 ` William D. Neumann 2004-06-25 18:04 ` docs Hans Hagen 2004-06-26 18:18 ` docs Hans Hagen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: William D. Neumann @ 2004-06-25 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Hans Hagen wrote: > William D. Neumann wrote: > > >And that's, unfortunately, a poor view to take. I would love to use > >ConTeXt for more of my academic writing, as it makes a lot of tasks much > >easier, not just layout and design. Unfortunately, it's inability to play > >like LaTeX when it comes to even such basic things as footnotes, mean > > > eh .. what's wrong with the footnotes? Set a page in two column with footnotes set to span just the column where the mark is placed (I forget the full commands to do this... I could look them up, but you probably know what they are...). Now, place a footnote. In LaTeX, you get something that looks like: text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text[1] text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text ------------------ text text text text [1] footnote foot text text text text footnote footnote text text text text footnote footnote text text text text In ConTeXt you get something like: text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text[1] text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text ------------------ [1] footnote foot footnote footnote footnote footnote That is, the other column doesn't flow around the footnote in the other column, wasting space and looking ugly. I asked at least twice on this list how to fix this and received no fixes. If you have a fix, I would be *very* pleased to hear about it... William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. -- Tony-A (some guy on /.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-25 16:56 ` docs William D. Neumann @ 2004-06-25 18:04 ` Hans Hagen 2004-06-26 18:18 ` docs Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-25 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw) William D. Neumann wrote: > In LaTeX, you get something that looks like: > >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text[1] text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >------------------ text text text text >[1] footnote foot text text text text >footnote footnote text text text text >footnote footnote text text text text > > > >In ConTeXt you get something like: > >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text[1] text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >text text text text text text text text >------------------ >[1] footnote foot >footnote footnote >footnote footnote > >That is, the other column doesn't flow around the footnote in the other >column, wasting space and looking ugly. I asked at least twice on this >list how to fix this and received no fixes. If you have a fix, I would >be *very* pleased to hear about it... > > there is \setupfootnotes[location=columns] but i just found out that that is broken (i have to adapt that to the new multiple footnotes mechanism); will do that btw, in that case footnotes are placed in the last column (the reason why footnotes by default end up on the page is that there can be mixed multi-single column usage Hans ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: docs 2004-06-25 16:56 ` docs William D. Neumann 2004-06-25 18:04 ` docs Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-26 18:18 ` Hans Hagen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread From: Hans Hagen @ 2004-06-26 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw) William D. Neumann wrote: >That is, the other column doesn't flow around the footnote in the other >column, wasting space and looking ugly. I asked at least twice on this >list how to fix this and received no fixes. If you have a fix, I would >be *very* pleased to hear about it... > > i uploaded a new beta, which has column footnotes corrected (i had forgotten to adapt the mechanism to the new multiple notes mechanism); a also added the option to put notes in the first column: \setupfootnotes[location=firstcolumn|lastcolumn] % columns == lastcolumn Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
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