From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/56177 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Aditya Mahajan Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: indent lost after \placefigure Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 14:17:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: References: <006001caaab7$85fdcba0$91f962e0$@com> <201002111441.22561.alan.braslau@cea.fr> <201002112001.45223.alan.braslau@cea.fr> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265915873 3635 80.91.229.12 (11 Feb 2010 19:17:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ntg-context@ntg.nl To: Alan BRASLAU Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Feb 11 20:17:50 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NfeXt-0000ix-H8 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:17:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C04AC9DF5; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:19:41 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id yjy8TjFkKKUK; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:19:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD286C9DFF; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:19:38 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0BDFC9DFF for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:19:37 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hmHkwc7QMqIP for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:19:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.93.160]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1121DC9DF5 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:19:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: FROM dhcp128036154098.central.yale.edu (dhcp128036154098.central.yale.edu [128.36.154.98]) By skycaptain.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4B7457CD.83B08.30042 ; Authuser adityam; 11 Feb 2010 14:17:33 EST In-Reply-To: <201002112001.45223.alan.braslau@cea.fr> User-Agent: Alpine 2.01 (LNX 1266 2009-07-14) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:56177 Archived-At: On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > On Thursday 11 February 2010 18:55:01 Aditya Mahajan wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Alan BRASLAU wrote: >>> PS: Your opinion is not so humble, and I do not really see the rational >>> why indentnext=no is the default for most things* rather than >>> indentnext=auto. >> >> Below is my understanding of ConTeXt's design principle (Hans or Taco >> should correct me if I am wrong). Content should be separate from >> presentation. This means that indentation should be a function of >> semantics, and not of how you format your source. So >> >> some text ... >> \startitemize >> \item >> \item >> \stopitemize >> some more text >> >> and >> >> some text >> >> \startitemize >> \item >> \item >> \stopitemize >> >> some more text ... >> >> should give the same result. If you want an item group that does not start >> a paragraph, and an item group that starts a new paragraph, then they are >> two different objects and you should define two different environments for >> them. >> >> \defineitemgroup[spitemize] %single para >> [indentnext=no, >> before=\blank, >> after=\blank] >> >> \defineitemgroup[mpitemize] %multi para >> [indentnext=yes, >> before={\blank[big]}, >> after={\blank[big]}] >> >> >> Then you can use \startspitemize or \startmpitemize dependening on what you >> want. The way you format the source does not matter. >> >> Aditya > > That is really "ugly": different cases of itemize... Agreed. That is a matter of personal preference. you can always add indentnext=auto to \setupitemize (I always do that for formulas) or indentnext=yes|no to individual itemize. > If indeed the design principle that you describe is true, what I said was how I understand things, and I may be completely wrong here. > then I would *strongly* argue that one should get rid of > a blank line separating paragraphs and *require* the use of \par AFAIU, tex does not differentiate between blank lines and \par (unless you change the catcode of eol). > I don't totally agree with this, as I think that the document source > should look as simple as possible, and paragraphs separated by blank > lines do a lot to make the text readable, more so than And I am suggesting that adding blank lines around ALL environments, without changing the output. In any case, ConTeXt is flexible to allow you to use whichever style you prefer. It just defaults to one thing. You can have a 'autoindent' module that adds indent=auto to all \setup commands. Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________