embedding 3d pdf

embedding 3d pdf

[Michail Vidiassov]

Dear All,

since ConTeXt lacks support for embedding 3D models (U3D or PRC) into PDF
(btw, is pdf annotations support in context/luatex combination fit for end-user or is "in transition"?)
I have tried to embed some 3D PDFs from
http://asymptote.sourceforge.net/gallery/3D%20graphs/
and
http://www.iaas.msu.ru/tmp/u3d/pdf/ 
using
\externalfigure[3dpf.pdf]
\startpagefigure[3dpdf.pdf]\stoppagefigure
\copypages[3dpdf.pdf][n=1]
but only the preview (flat) images show up,
not the 3D model, that must appear after clicking on it in Adobe Reader.
File size shows that the 3D annotation data was not taken from the 3D PDF 
file into ConTeXt output.

Any advice on possible workarounds? Any hope for ConTeXt fixes?

Or making a link to an external PDF file is the only option for now?

       Sincerely, Michail

PS.
I have seen the code from Renaud AUBIN in the "U3D (embedded 3D objects)" thread,
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2006/020220.html
but it is too ugly and old a hack to start any work from.
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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

Hi Michail,

See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/

Regards,

Renaud

Michail Vidiassov a écrit :
> Dear All,
>
> since ConTeXt lacks support for embedding 3D models (U3D or PRC) into PDF
> (btw, is pdf annotations support in context/luatex combination fit for end-user or is "in transition"?)
> I have tried to embed some 3D PDFs from
> http://asymptote.sourceforge.net/gallery/3D%20graphs/
> and
> http://www.iaas.msu.ru/tmp/u3d/pdf/ 
> using
> \externalfigure[3dpf.pdf]
> \startpagefigure[3dpdf.pdf]\stoppagefigure
> \copypages[3dpdf.pdf][n=1]
> but only the preview (flat) images show up,
> not the 3D model, that must appear after clicking on it in Adobe Reader.
> File size shows that the 3D annotation data was not taken from the 3D PDF 
> file into ConTeXt output.
>
> Any advice on possible workarounds? Any hope for ConTeXt fixes?
>
> Or making a link to an external PDF file is the only option for now?
>
>        Sincerely, Michail
>
> PS.
> I have seen the code from Renaud AUBIN in the "U3D (embedded 3D objects)" thread,
> http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2006/020220.html
> but it is too ugly and old a hack to start any work from.
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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[luigi scarso]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
> Hi Michail,
>
> See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/
>
> Regards,
>
> Renaud

How do you make this
http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/new3dartwork/models/context.u3d


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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...

luigi scarso a écrit :
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>   
>> Hi Michail,
>>
>> See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Renaud
>>     
>
> How do you make this
> http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/new3dartwork/models/context.u3d
>
>
>   

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[luigi scarso]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
Nothing open source ?
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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[luigi scarso]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:50 PM, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
> Nothing open source ?
I mean for u3d files..


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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

Blender is... but u3d export is not possible with open source tools in 
2006/ early 2007


luigi scarso a écrit :
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>   
>> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
>>     
> Nothing open source ?
>   

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

Great, i've googlized and found 
http://artandlogic.blogspot.com/2008/08/blender-to-acrobat-3d.html then 
http://meshlab.sourceforge.net/

It's worth to give a try to this CAD chain!

Renaud Aubin a écrit :
> Blender is... but u3d export is not possible with open source tools in 
> 2006/ early 2007
>
>
> luigi scarso a écrit :
>   
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:53 PM, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
>>>     
>>>       
>> Nothing open source ?
>>   
>>     
>
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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:

> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...

What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google...

Idris

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[luigi scarso]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد
<ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>
>> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
>
> What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google...

http://www.blender.org


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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Matija Šuklje]

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Dne sobota 22. novembra 2008 je Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد 
napisal(a):
> What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google...

http://www.blender.org/

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد]

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:57:58 -0700, Matija Šuklje  
<matija.suklje@rutka.net> wrote:

> http://www.blender.org/

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:10:56 -0700, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:

> See http://www.blender.org/ and
> http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/de_std.html (I've used an
> old windows version of Deep Exploration)

Thank you, Matija and Renaud!

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

See http://www.blender.org/ and 
http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/de_std.html (I've used an 
old windows version of Deep Exploration)

Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد a écrit :
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>
>   
>> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
>>     
>
> What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google...
>
> Idris
>
>   

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

See http://www.blender.org/ and
http://www.righthemisphere.com/products/dexp/de_std.html (I've used an
old windows version of Deep Exploration)

Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد a écrit :
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:53:33 -0700, Renaud Aubin <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>
>   
>> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
>>     
>
> What is Blender -- the name is too generic for google...
>
> Idris
>
>   


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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

Oups... too fast : + using .3ds as an intermediate format :
blend --> 3ds --> u3d

Renaud Aubin a écrit :
> Blender (+type1 font) then Right Hemisphere for the conversion...
>   

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Renaud Aubin]

See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/aubin-slides.pdf as a use case 
(pages 17 and 25).
Let me know if you want the full source code...

Renaud

Renaud Aubin a écrit :
> Hi Michail,
>
> See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/
>
> Regards,
>
> Renaud
>   
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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Michail Vidiassov]

Dear All,

Renaud Aubin wrote:
> See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/

while the macros there are a great improvement from
what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes
(thanks, Renaud),
the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement
3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying
luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet?

LuaTeX roadmap promised that
"Think of annotations and object management. The first code will show up
later in 2008."
Did it?
Is there a ConTeXt API to it?
Is it planned to come in some future?
Or  spec-pdf dated 1997.09.20 is what we are to live with?

              Sincerely, Michail


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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Hans Hagen]

Michail Vidiassov wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> Renaud Aubin wrote:
>> See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/
> 
> while the macros there are a great improvement from
> what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes
> (thanks, Renaud),
> the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement
> 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying
> luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet?
> 
> LuaTeX roadmap promised that
> "Think of annotations and object management. The first code will show up
> later in 2008."
> Did it?
> Is there a ConTeXt API to it?
> Is it planned to come in some future?
> Or  spec-pdf dated 1997.09.20 is what we are to live with?

spec-fdf and spec-pdf are occasionally extended (but nowadays pdf itself 
is not so much evolving)

there will bea dedicated luatex/mkiv backend module next year; first i 
need to rewrite lots of other code (currently i'm redoing the reference 
related code, and when that's done, the backend rewriting is easier)

Hans



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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[luigi scarso]

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On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:16 AM, Michail Vidiassov <master@iaas.msu.ru>wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Renaud Aubin wrote:
> > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/
>
> while the macros there are a great improvement from
> what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes
> (thanks, Renaud),
> the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement
> 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying
> luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet?
>
> LuaTeX roadmap promised that
> "Think of annotations and object management. The first code will show up
> later in 2008."
> Did it?
> Is there a ConTeXt API to it?
> Is it planned to come in some future?
> Or  spec-pdf dated 1997.09.20 is what we are to live with?
>
>              Sincerely, Michail
>
>
BTW, If you are able to make some samples with context mkiv, please do them
and then wikifi it.
Something is better than nothing .

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Michail Vidiassov]

Dear Luigi and All,

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, luigi scarso wrote:

>>       Renaud Aubin wrote:
>>       > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/
>> 
>> while the macros there are a great improvement from
>> what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes
>> the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement
>> 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying
>> luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet?
> 
> BTW, If you are able to make some samples with context mkiv, please do them and then wikifi it.
> Something is better than nothing .

Renaud's "u3d" inclusion macros seem to be modeled after "mov" inclusion.
But including movies does not work for me in minimals (see my post on that).

             Sincerely, Michail
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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[luigi scarso]

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On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Michail Vidiassov <master@iaas.msu.ru>wrote:

> Dear Luigi and All,
>
> On Wed, 26 Nov 2008, luigi scarso wrote:
>
> >>       Renaud Aubin wrote:
> >>       > See http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/devel/
> >>
> >> while the macros there are a great improvement from
> >> what was posted on the list and look extandable for my purposes
> >> the other question remains - does it make sense to try to implement
> >> 3d model embedding in proper way for public use now or the underlying
> >> luatex/context part has not been developed/updated yet?
> >
> > BTW, If you are able to make some samples with context mkiv, please do
> them and then wikifi it.
> > Something is better than nothing .
>
> Renaud's "u3d" inclusion macros seem to be modeled after "mov" inclusion.
> But including movies does not work for me in minimals (see my post on
> that).
>
Sorry Michail , but I'm really busy in others context MkIV area.
BTW, I found that download mails from
http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/

sometimes help

-- 
luigi

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Re: embedding 3d pdf

[Michail Vidiassov]

Dear All,

I am slowly implementing Subj. for mkiv + luatex combo and it already kinda works..
Is there anyone on the list now interested in testing/using it?

         Sincerely, Michail
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