From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/51068 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michail Vidiassov Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: 3D PDF support (AKA asymptote support) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:58:28 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: References: <1285.212.192.224.186.1244218458.squirrel@squirrelmail.iaas.msu.ru> <4A2971E4.1070001@nibua-r.org> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1244232088 4003 80.91.229.12 (5 Jun 2009 20:01:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:01:28 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Jun 05 22:01:25 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MCfbR-0007Vf-7H for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Jun 2009 22:01:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23951FB98; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:01:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 16298-07; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:00:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C911FB5A; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:00:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E73E1FB5A for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:00:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20774-02-2 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:00:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (filter1-ams.mf.surf.net [192.87.102.69]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4181FB57 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:00:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from serv.iaas.msu.ru (serv.iaas.msu.ru [212.192.224.252]) by filter1-ams.mf.surf.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n55K0QgE001500 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 22:00:27 +0200 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (host-81.200.0.153.su29.ru [81.200.0.153]) (authenticated bits=0) by serv.iaas.msu.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n55JwOIE027320 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 2009 23:58:24 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from master@iaas.msu.ru) X-X-Sender: master@MacBook-2.local In-Reply-To: <4A2971E4.1070001@nibua-r.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (OSX 1167 2008-08-23) X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=212.192.224.252; country=RU; region=48; city=Moscow; latitude=55.7522; longitude=37.6156; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=55.7522,37.6156&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 238336622 - 13399e616802 - 20090605 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 192.87.102.69 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:51068 Archived-At: Dear Renaud, On Fri, 5 Jun 2009, Renaud Aubin wrote: >> Asymptote may be a better choice since it supports newer PRC 3D >> format, that is much richer in features and has better prospects when >> it comes to support and development by Adobe. > Ouch, another new 3D format! This will never end. I bet no valuable Open > Source modeler (i.e. blender) support this one. The fact that asy > supports PRC is good but I have no illusion about the conclusion of the > 3d formats' war (just an endless pain for developpers)... IMHO the major difference is that Adobe Reader is a 3D viewer with quite a userbase and lots of support resources behind. While the failure of 3D community to accept U3D as 3D JPEG is deplorable, PRC prospects in Adobe seem bright - they have bought the format together with the authors, make noises about submitting it to ISO, released documentation... >>From my experience of work with U3D, writing an exporter turned out to be not that difficult, since for U3D there is VRML-like intermediate text format, but figuring out what are the limitations of Adobe viewer takes a lot of time. I do not remember if that applies to Blender, but googling showed me that in 2006-2007 people asked questions in lists/forums of 3D software pieces about 3D PDF output, but neither users were interested, nor developers excited. Sincrely, Michail ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________