ConTeXt vs Beamer

ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Saša Janiška]

Hello,

I have just checked that my first post to this list was more than 10yrs
ago (end of 2002). Then I was working on some full-sized books and ended
up with LyX/LaTex. Later, had few attempts to switch to ConTeXt, but as
a result I reduced even my LyX/LaTeX usage and was using light markups
like rst/AsciiDoc for my writing needs without higher-quality
typesetting.

Yesterday I had to help my wife to put together some medicine-related
presentation for the meeting at her working place and used LyX/LaTeX
with Beamer class.

Considering that there might be need to do such thing more often in the
future as well as possibility that I might have to produce lot of
presentations for my public lectures/workshops based on philosophy (iow.
 no need of math), I am again in the position to consider ConTeXt, but
this time mostly for presentations.

I'm (well) aware of ConTeXt's advantage in the sense of being complete
package without clashing of different packages which usually happens in
LaTeX world, I wonder if someone can give some piece of advice to learn
and/or switch ConTeXt for preparing presentations instead of learning
lot of LaTeX packages?

How does ConTeXt compare for the purpose vs LaTeX/Beamer?

I'm on Linux (running Debian Sid) and use Vim as my primary editor so
wonder if ConTeXt users recommend to e.g. prepare drafts of their
documents like rst/AsciiDoc/markdown and then convert them into ConTeXt
with tool(s) like Pandoc?


Sincerely,
Gour

-- 
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one should act as a matter of duty, for by working without
attachment one attains the Supreme.



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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Alan BRASLAU]

On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:11:06 +0100
Saša Janiška <gour@atmarama.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have just checked that my first post to this list was more than
> 10yrs ago (end of 2002). Then I was working on some full-sized books
> and ended up with LyX/LaTex. Later, had few attempts to switch to
> ConTeXt, but as a result I reduced even my LyX/LaTeX usage and was
> using light markups like rst/AsciiDoc for my writing needs without
> higher-quality typesetting.
> 
> Yesterday I had to help my wife to put together some medicine-related
> presentation for the meeting at her working place and used LyX/LaTeX
> with Beamer class.
> 
> Considering that there might be need to do such thing more often in
> the future as well as possibility that I might have to produce lot of
> presentations for my public lectures/workshops based on philosophy
> (iow. no need of math), I am again in the position to consider
> ConTeXt, but this time mostly for presentations.
> 
> I'm (well) aware of ConTeXt's advantage in the sense of being complete
> package without clashing of different packages which usually happens
> in LaTeX world, I wonder if someone can give some piece of advice to
> learn and/or switch ConTeXt for preparing presentations instead of
> learning lot of LaTeX packages?
> 
> How does ConTeXt compare for the purpose vs LaTeX/Beamer?
> 
> I'm on Linux (running Debian Sid) and use Vim as my primary editor so
> wonder if ConTeXt users recommend to e.g. prepare drafts of their
> documents like rst/AsciiDoc/markdown and then convert them into
> ConTeXt with tool(s) like Pandoc?

Beamer presentations look like ... beamer presentations.

For something simple using ConTeXt, you might want to look at the
simpleslides module. That could be a starting point.

Alan

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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Marcin Borkowski]

On 2016-01-25, at 21:55, Alan BRASLAU <alan.braslau@cea.fr> wrote:

> Beamer presentations look like ... beamer presentations.

Or like presentations given from The One Editor:

http://mbork.pl/download/Slides_about_LaTeX_editing.pdf

;-)

> For something simple using ConTeXt, you might want to look at the
> simpleslides module. That could be a starting point.

I used ConTeXt once for a presentation, and then came back to Beamer.
Not necessarily because it's better, but I know it quite well, so
I could prepare my slides faster.  (Also, Emacs support for LaTeX and/or
Beamer is better than for ConTeXt.)

So I don't have a lot of experience with ConTeXt, but I'll risk an
opinion: if you're fine with a simple presentation without much
learning, or more learning for a sophisticated presentation, consider
ConTeXt.  If you don't mind a bit boring look (which some consider an
advantage) and/or you want just to copy a template from the docs (even
for a bit more sophisticated stuff), try Beamer.

Also, you might want to switch to a decent text editor.  ;-P

Hth,

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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Saša Janiška]

On Pon, 2016-01-25 at 22:15 +0100, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

> I used ConTeXt once for a presentation, and then came back to Beamer.
> Not necessarily because it's better, but I know it quite well, so
> I could prepare my slides faster.  

Hmm, that's valid point.

> So I don't have a lot of experience with ConTeXt, but I'll risk an
> opinion: if you're fine with a simple presentation without much
> learning, or more learning for a sophisticated presentation, consider
> ConTeXt.  If you don't mind a bit boring look (which some consider an
> advantage) and/or you want just to copy a template from the docs (even
> for a bit more sophisticated stuff), try Beamer.

Thank you for sharing.

> Also, you might want to switch to a decent text editor.  ;-P

I tried twice, but after noticing wrist pain, I said: "Goodbye!". ;)


Sincerely,
Gour

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and what is inaction. Now I shall explain to you what action is,
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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/25/2016 9:55 PM, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:11:06 +0100
> Saša Janiška <gour@atmarama.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have just checked that my first post to this list was more than
>> 10yrs ago (end of 2002). Then I was working on some full-sized books
>> and ended up with LyX/LaTex. Later, had few attempts to switch to
>> ConTeXt, but as a result I reduced even my LyX/LaTeX usage and was
>> using light markups like rst/AsciiDoc for my writing needs without
>> higher-quality typesetting.
>>
>> Yesterday I had to help my wife to put together some medicine-related
>> presentation for the meeting at her working place and used LyX/LaTeX
>> with Beamer class.
>>
>> Considering that there might be need to do such thing more often in
>> the future as well as possibility that I might have to produce lot of
>> presentations for my public lectures/workshops based on philosophy
>> (iow. no need of math), I am again in the position to consider
>> ConTeXt, but this time mostly for presentations.
>>
>> I'm (well) aware of ConTeXt's advantage in the sense of being complete
>> package without clashing of different packages which usually happens
>> in LaTeX world, I wonder if someone can give some piece of advice to
>> learn and/or switch ConTeXt for preparing presentations instead of
>> learning lot of LaTeX packages?
>>
>> How does ConTeXt compare for the purpose vs LaTeX/Beamer?
>>
>> I'm on Linux (running Debian Sid) and use Vim as my primary editor so
>> wonder if ConTeXt users recommend to e.g. prepare drafts of their
>> documents like rst/AsciiDoc/markdown and then convert them into
>> ConTeXt with tool(s) like Pandoc?
>
> Beamer presentations look like ... beamer presentations.
>
> For something simple using ConTeXt, you might want to look at the
> simpleslides module. That could be a starting point.

The "Considering that there might be need to do such thing more often in 
the future as well as possibility that I might have to produce lot of 
presentations for my public lectures/workshops based on philosophy"
is an argument for using context as it permits you to (stepwise) develop 
your own style. In the s-pre-* modules you can find examples (many of 
them you can just process to get an idea as they contain examples) ... 
what style or coding you use depends on what / the way you present.

Hans


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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Saša Janiška]

On Uto, 2016-01-26 at 09:56 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

> The "Considering that there might be need to do such thing more often
> in the future as well as possibility that I might have to produce lot
> of presentations for my public lectures/workshops based on philosophy"
> is an argument for using context as it permits you to (stepwise)develop your own style. 

Thank you for that, Hans!

> In the s-pre-* modules you can find examples (many of 
> them you can just process to get an idea as they contain examples) 
> what style or coding you use depends on what / the way you present.

Great! Found examples on my Debian...


Sincerely,
Gour

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which are due to contact with the material senses. O son of Kuntī,
such pleasures have a beginning and an end, and so the wise man does
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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Saša Janiška]

On Pon, 2016-01-25 at 13:55 -0700, Alan BRASLAU wrote:

> Beamer presentations look like ... beamer presentations.

That's very true, indeed!

> For something simple using ConTeXt, you might want to look at the
> simpleslides module. That could be a starting point.

That should be installed by default?


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Otared Kavian]

Hi,

I have been using Context for all my presentations for many years and I think it is easier to use than any Latex package, since out of the box I can add pictures, menus, graphs of functions, etc.

Now, depending on the complexity of what one wants to do, it would be more or less easy to use such and such features.
A good start is to begin with the examples set up by Hans and by Aditya and Thomas Schmitz.
The examples by Hans are in the directory

	/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/modules/mkiv

of your Context installation, and begin with s-pre-, followed by digits and mkii or mkiv suffix.
The examples by Aditya and Thomas are to be found in 

	/tex/texmf-modules/tex/context/third/simpleslides

Bets regards: OK



> On 25 Jan 2016, at 21:11, Saša Janiška <gour@atmarama.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have just checked that my first post to this list was more than 10yrs
> ago (end of 2002). Then I was working on some full-sized books and ended
> up with LyX/LaTex. Later, had few attempts to switch to ConTeXt, but as
> a result I reduced even my LyX/LaTeX usage and was using light markups
> like rst/AsciiDoc for my writing needs without higher-quality
> typesetting.
> 
> Yesterday I had to help my wife to put together some medicine-related
> presentation for the meeting at her working place and used LyX/LaTeX
> with Beamer class.
> 
> Considering that there might be need to do such thing more often in the
> future as well as possibility that I might have to produce lot of
> presentations for my public lectures/workshops based on philosophy (iow.
>  no need of math), I am again in the position to consider ConTeXt, but
> this time mostly for presentations.
> 
> I'm (well) aware of ConTeXt's advantage in the sense of being complete
> package without clashing of different packages which usually happens in
> LaTeX world, I wonder if someone can give some piece of advice to learn
> and/or switch ConTeXt for preparing presentations instead of learning
> lot of LaTeX packages?
> 
> How does ConTeXt compare for the purpose vs LaTeX/Beamer?
> 
> I'm on Linux (running Debian Sid) and use Vim as my primary editor so
> wonder if ConTeXt users recommend to e.g. prepare drafts of their
> documents like rst/AsciiDoc/markdown and then convert them into ConTeXt
> with tool(s) like Pandoc?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Gour
> 
> -- 
> Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities,
> one should act as a matter of duty, for by working without
> attachment one attains the Supreme.
> 
> 
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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Saša Janiška]

On Pon, 2016-01-25 at 22:56 +0100, Otared Kavian wrote:

> I have been using Context for all my presentations for many years and
> I think it is easier to use than any Latex package, since out of the
> box I can add pictures, menus, graphs of functions, etc.

That is very encouraging to hear. ;)

> A good start is to begin with the examples set up by Hans and by
> Aditya and Thomas Schmitz.

This is natural answer to my question...

> The examples by Hans are in the directory
> 
> 	/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/modules/mkiv
> 
> of your Context installation, and begin with s-pre-, followed by
> digits and mkii or mkiv suffix.
> The examples by Aditya and Thomas are to be found in 
> 
> 	/tex/texmf-modules/tex/context/third/simpleslides

After some additonal install, I was able to localize both type of
examples. :-)

Now let me jump into some ConTeXt-related learning experience.


Sincerely,
Gour

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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Jan U. Hasecke]

Am 25.01.2016 um 21:11 schrieb Saša Janiška:
> How does ConTeXt compare for the purpose vs LaTeX/Beamer?

For the sake of completeness, have a look at Pandoc, which produces
presentations from simple markdown sources in various formats including
beamer and some nice looking html based presentations.

http://pandoc.org/README.html

juh


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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Marcin Borkowski]

On 2016-01-26, at 08:34, Jan U. Hasecke <juh+ntg-context@mailbox.org> wrote:

> Am 25.01.2016 um 21:11 schrieb Saša Janiška:
>> How does ConTeXt compare for the purpose vs LaTeX/Beamer?
>
> For the sake of completeness, have a look at Pandoc, which produces
> presentations from simple markdown sources in various formats including
> beamer and some nice looking html based presentations.
>
> http://pandoc.org/README.html
>
> juh

Also, Org-mode, which has markup similar to Markdown (but better), and
can export to a variety of formats (including Beamer and e.g. reveal.js;
unfortunately, there's no ConTeXt support, but adding it is a questions
of a few hours of simple Emacs Lisp hacking).

I heard reports of Vim-ers switching to Emacs because of Org.  Turn to
the dark side, we have cookies!!!  Bwahahaha!

(Side note: despite jokes, I have a high respect for Vim.  Its UI is
plain genius, even if I do not like it personally.  The idea of "text
objects" and operations on them is really great.  I even use hjkl for
movement when coding in Elisp, using abo-abo's "lispy" package.  The
main advantage of Emacs over Vim is not the UI, but the hackability.
Also, E & V have different basic assumptions: Vim is much closer to the
Unix philosophy, while Emacs does a similar thing, but not on the OS
level, but within itself.  IOW, Vim is built on top of Unix, and Emacs
largely "replaces" it.)

Best,

-- 
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http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
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Adam Mickiewicz University
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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Saša Janiška]

On Uto, 2016-01-26 at 09:57 +0100, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

> unfortunately, there's no ConTeXt support, but adding it is a
> questions of a few hours of simple Emacs Lisp hacking).

Let me just say that I've decided to move to Spacemacs (it's RSI-
friendly) along with Org-mode/Gnus etc.

However, Emacs Lisp hacking is still just TODO, but wonder if you can
share some tips for using AUCTeX with ConTeXt?

reveal.js looks interesting, although, in general, I prefer non-JS
stuff.


Sincerely,
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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Saša Janiška]

On Uto, 2016-01-26 at 08:34 +0100, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:

> For the sake of completeness, have a look at Pandoc, which produces
> presentations from simple markdown sources in various formats
> including beamer and some nice looking html based presentations.

I usually find too simple and prefer rst/AsciiDoc, but will try that as
well. Still, wonder how do you like Pandoc's ability to convert to
ConTeXt?


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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Jan U. Hasecke]

Am 26.01.2016 um 11:22 schrieb Saša Janiška:
> Still, wonder how do you like Pandoc's ability to convert to
> ConTeXt?

I don't use it. ;-)

I use Pablo's solution to convert to ConTeXt.

https://github.com/ousia/from-pandoc-to-context

It adds an additional layer of xml to the process but it suits exactly
my needs (book production).

juh

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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Aditya Mahajan]

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On Mon, 25 Jan 2016, Saša Janiška wrote:

> I'm (well) aware of ConTeXt's advantage in the sense of being complete
> package without clashing of different packages which usually happens in
> LaTeX world, I wonder if someone can give some piece of advice to learn
> and/or switch ConTeXt for preparing presentations instead of learning
> lot of LaTeX packages?
>
> How does ConTeXt compare for the purpose vs LaTeX/Beamer?

As others have mentioned, beamer presentations look like beamer 
presentations. One of the things that I like is that it is relatively easy 
to create the look that you want.

Once you think about it a bit, presentations are no different than regular 
documents. You can get a reasonable looking presentation by just changing 
a few defaults:

https://randomdeterminism.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/creating-a-clean-presentation-style-in-40-commits/

I would recommend creating your own style for simple presentations and 
slowly add bells and whistles.

Aditya

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Re: ConTeXt vs Beamer

[Jeong Dal]

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Dear Saša Janiška,

I’d like tell you about my case.
I have used Beamer long time ago, but now I am using ConTeXt + Simpleslides module for my presentations.
There are already many given templates. 
You can find them in the doc of simple slides.(…../tex/texmf-modules/doc/…)
However we  can make our own template if we want. 
Although I am not an expert, I made my own template by modifying the given templates.

I think that ‘animation module’ is also a good module for presentation.
Using it, we can make the presentation more interesting.

I hope that you got what you want by using ConTeXt.

Best regards, 

Dalyoung






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