* Write once layout everwhere (?) @ 2007-06-10 22:31 Pepe Barbe 2007-06-11 3:49 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 20:28 ` nico 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Pepe Barbe @ 2007-06-10 22:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello, I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with it and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout the content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not (Forgive my ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain Text, or RTF (Those are the formats that I can think of that are interesting to me currently). Reading the Wiki one of those solutions would be XML, but I know very little about the subject, so this email is to ask about experiences in similar endeavors, other solutions for the same problem and how practical this is. I suppose that I would use this for general writing and for academic as well (Maths and engineering). Thanks, Pepe ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-10 22:31 Write once layout everwhere (?) Pepe Barbe @ 2007-06-11 3:49 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 5:16 ` luigi scarso ` (2 more replies) 2007-06-11 20:28 ` nico 1 sibling, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 3:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Pepe Barbe wrote: > Hello, > > I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with it > and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. > > Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout the > content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not (Forgive my > ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain Text, or RTF (Those > are the formats that I can think of that are interesting to me > currently). > > Reading the Wiki one of those solutions would be XML, but I know very > little about the subject, so this email is to ask about experiences in > similar endeavors, other solutions for the same problem and how > practical this is. I have been exploring for something like this, but unfortunately have not found anything completely satisfactory. For "simple" documents, that is, only text, XML is the easiest. You have to determine a xml dtd, and then it is relatively easy to write context commands to parse it. It is also easy (but slightly cumbersome) to write a xsl stylesheet to parse xml into html. Most browsers do the xslt transformation on the fly. I found xml+css to be the easiest way to go, since you can do almost a one-to-one mapping of your ConTeXt commands. But most xml websites say that it is the "old" method and should not be used. To get plain text, you can do lynx -dump or something similar. I am sure there will be ways to convert xml to rtf, but I have not explored them. Some of the difficulties that I faced with simple documents was: 1. What is the xml equivalent of || 2. What is the xml equivalent of ~ ( ??) 3. What is the xml equivalent of \abbreviation {EECS} {Electrical Engineering and Computer Science} and then \EECS\ and \infull{EECS}. I did not have time to explore further, so I left my xml experiments there. For me the hardest part was to learn the xml way of thinking. > I suppose that I would use this for general writing and for academic > as well (Maths and engineering). For more complext documents (esp math), I do not like xml as an input format. Mathml is too verbose for me to write. Then there is the question of how useful is it to have a xml + mathml document. ConTeXt can parse it, and so can some of the browsers, but most browsers can not. Converting to html + images looks ugly, unless you put in a lot of effort. I have not tried converting xml+mathml to rtf or some office format. For complicated documents, I do not see the use of having an xml document. Most people are happy receiving a pdf. If someone wants to edit my files, and cannot edit tex file, he/she will not be able to edit xml files. If they use an office application to edit the file, I will need to backport the modifications manually. So he/she might as well use pdf annotation tools. If you do want to explore furhter, perhaps the easiest way is to use tex4ht, which does a decent job with most context documents and can convert to html, xml, and open office format. I do not like tex4ht because its html output is too verbose, and its documentation is a bit hard to follow. Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 3:49 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 5:16 ` luigi scarso 2007-06-11 12:26 ` John R. Culleton 2007-06-11 12:26 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-06-11 5:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 6/11/07, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote: > > Reading the Wiki one of those solutions would be XML, try tbookdtd.sf.net myabe can help you. -- luigi ---------------------------------------------------------------- If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 3:49 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 5:16 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-06-11 12:26 ` John R. Culleton 2007-06-11 13:15 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 12:26 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: John R. Culleton @ 2007-06-11 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context On Sunday 10 June 2007 23:49, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Pepe Barbe wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with > > it and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. > > > > Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout > > the content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not > > (Forgive my ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain > > Text, or RTF (Those are the formats that I can think of that are > > interesting to me currently). > > I don't think it is possible to come up with an "universal elixir" that does any format from source and is efficient to use. Plain text is the exchange medium I use. XML is too cumbersome to code by hand. Therefore I have solutions for specific situations. For example when a customer presents me with a non-fiction document already laid out in MSWord, I first save it as rtf. Then I run it through the program rtf2latex2e. This gives me an executable LaTeX file, with all the font changes etc. preserved. The I edit it in Gvim, using mass changes to convert LaTeX tags to an equivalent Context format. Some, like all the begin/end tags I just delete en masse. It is easy to go from the output of Context to plain text. There are plenty of pdf to ascii converters in GhostScript and PSUtils etc. The only big problem comes when there are columns involved. In that situation cut and paste from a pdf viewer window to an editor window can be helpful. -- John Culleton Able Indexing and Typesetting Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://wexfordpress.com ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 12:26 ` John R. Culleton @ 2007-06-11 13:15 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 13:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, John R. Culleton wrote: > On Sunday 10 June 2007 23:49, Aditya Mahajan wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Pepe Barbe wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with >>> it and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. >>> >>> Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout >>> the content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not >>> (Forgive my ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain >>> Text, or RTF (Those are the formats that I can think of that are >>> interesting to me currently). >>> > I don't think it is possible to come up with an "universal elixir" > that does any format from source and is efficient to use. Plain text > is the exchange medium I use. XML is too cumbersome to code by hand. > Therefore I have solutions for specific situations. For example when > a customer presents me with a non-fiction document already laid out > in MSWord, I first save it as rtf. Then I run it through the program > rtf2latex2e. This gives me an executable LaTeX file, with all the > font changes etc. preserved. The I edit it in Gvim, using mass > changes to convert LaTeX tags to an equivalent Context format. Some, > like all the begin/end tags I just delete en masse. This approach is fine if you have to convert only once. However, if you want to occassionally update the sources and get an updated html and pdf output, it can be too much work. For situations like this, I think that, at least for just text + graphics, xml is the most robust way. Of course, there are also plain text markup formats, like wiki markup, restructured text, textile, etc. If the document is really simple, they may be easier to use. There are many plain text markup to LaTeX convertor, but no plain text to ConTeXt convertor that I know of. I remember there was someone on the list who had written scripts to convert wiki markup into context and then to pdf. I do not know if these scripts are publically available. Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 3:49 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 5:16 ` luigi scarso 2007-06-11 12:26 ` John R. Culleton @ 2007-06-11 12:26 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2007-06-11 13:09 ` Aditya Mahajan 2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-06-11 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > Some of the difficulties that I faced with simple documents was: > > 1. What is the xml equivalent of || > 2. What is the xml equivalent of ~ ( ??) > 3. What is the xml equivalent of > > \abbreviation {EECS} {Electrical Engineering and Computer Science} > and then \EECS\ and \infull{EECS}. Hi Aditya, I've just begun experimenting with xlm (because, as Duncan has pointed out, I'm sure that every line I write is for eternity...). Anyway, what I say here may be totally wrong, but here's how I treat this stuff: 1. For || or |-|, I have defined an entity in my DTD: <!ENTITY conthyph "-"> In my environment for processing the xml files, I have \defineXMLentity[conthyph]{|-|} so I can write context&conthyph;specific and get the output I expect. 2. Yes, I use with these definitions: <!ENTITY nbsp " "> \defineXMLentity[nbsp]{~} 3. Abbreviations: does xtag-ent.tex do what you want? Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it does appear to work for me. All best Thomas ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 12:26 ` Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-06-11 13:09 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 13:34 ` Wolfgang Schuster 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Thomas, On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > > On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:49 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > >> Some of the difficulties that I faced with simple documents was: >> >> 1. What is the xml equivalent of || >> 2. What is the xml equivalent of ~ ( ??) >> 3. What is the xml equivalent of >> >> \abbreviation {EECS} {Electrical Engineering and Computer Science} >> and then \EECS\ and \infull{EECS}. > > Hi Aditya, > > I've just begun experimenting with xlm (because, as Duncan has > pointed out, I'm sure that every line I write is for eternity...). > Anyway, what I say here may be totally wrong, but here's how I treat > this stuff: > > 1. For || or |-|, I have defined an entity in my DTD: > > <!ENTITY conthyph "-"> > > In my environment for processing the xml files, I have > > \defineXMLentity[conthyph]{|-|} > > so I can write context&conthyph;specific and get the output I expect. > > 2. Yes, I use with these definitions: > <!ENTITY nbsp " "> > \defineXMLentity[nbsp]{~} Ah. Thanks. This was easy :) > 3. Abbreviations: does xtag-ent.tex do what you want? > > Not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it does appear to > work for me. Hmm... somehome I had missed xtag-ent.tex. I was looking at xml introductions, and did not look into ConTeXt sources. I will have a look and see how it goes. Thanks, Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 13:09 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 13:34 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2007-06-11 15:42 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-06-11 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users 2007/6/11, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>: > Hmm... somehome I had missed xtag-ent.tex. I was looking at xml > introductions, and did not look into ConTeXt sources. I will have a > look and see how it goes. > > Thanks, > Aditya Hi Aditya, the XML-Document example.pdf is a little bit outdated (Hans changed a few commands). The important files for xml are xtag-ini and xtag-ext, you should take a look into the contml module. Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 13:34 ` Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-06-11 15:42 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 19:35 ` nico 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Quoting Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com>: > 2007/6/11, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu>: > >> Hmm... somehome I had missed xtag-ent.tex. I was looking at xml >> introductions, and did not look into ConTeXt sources. I will have a >> look and see how it goes. >> >> Thanks, >> Aditya > > Hi Aditya, > > the XML-Document example.pdf is a little bit outdated (Hans changed a few > commands). The important files for xml are xtag-ini and xtag-ext, you should > take a look into the contml module. Thanks. I had not looked at them and some of the things about handling at the ConTeXt end are more clear now. But I think that I did not explain my question correctly. What I do not understand how are abbreviations etc. handled by xslt for conversion into html. For example, how do I write an xsl style sheet that converts this xml input <abbreviation value="EECS", short="EECS", full="Electrical Engineering and Computer Science" /> <p> I study <abbrev value="EECS"> which stands for <abbrev value="EECS", infull="yes"> </p> into html as <p> I study EECS which stands for Electrical Engineering and Computer Science </p> I know that this is not the right list to ask this sort of questions, but I am hoping that there are xml users here and they will be able to point me to the right direction. Thanks, Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 15:42 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 19:35 ` nico 2007-06-11 20:19 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: nico @ 2007-06-11 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1298 bytes --] On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:42:23 -0400, Aditya Mahajan <adityam@umich.edu> wrote: > Thanks. I had not looked at them and some of the things about handling > at the ConTeXt end are more clear now. But I think that I did not > explain my question correctly. > > What I do not understand how are abbreviations etc. handled by xslt for > conversion into html. For example, how do I write an xsl style sheet > that converts this xml input > > <abbreviation value="EECS", short="EECS", full="Electrical Engineering > and Computer Science" /> > > <p> I study <abbrev value="EECS"> which stands for <abbrev > value="EECS", infull="yes"> </p> > > into html as > > <p> I study EECS which stands for Electrical Engineering and Computer > Science </p> > > I know that this is not the right list to ask this sort of questions, > but I am hoping that there are xml users here and they will be able to > point me to the right direction. I haven't followed the thread, but attached an idea of doing what you want with XSLT. Note that your example is not valid at all (commas between attributes, missing ending '/' for empty elements). BTW, it's not a good idea to use the same attribute ("value") as an reference identifier, and for referencing to another element. Regards, [-- Attachment #2: myxsl.xsl --] [-- Type: application/octet-stream, Size: 1063 bytes --] <?xml version='1.0'?> <xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version='1.0'> <xsl:output method="html" encoding="UTF-8" indent="yes"/> <xsl:template match="abbrev"> <xsl:variable name="abbrev" select="//abbreviation[@value=current()/@value]"/> <xsl:if test="$abbrev"> <xsl:apply-templates select="$abbrev" mode="short"/> </xsl:if> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="abbrev[@infull='yes']"> <xsl:variable name="abbrev" select="//abbreviation[@value=current()/@value]"/> <xsl:if test="$abbrev"> <xsl:apply-templates select="$abbrev" mode="full"/> </xsl:if> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="abbreviation"/> <xsl:template match="abbreviation" mode="full"> <xsl:value-of select="@full"/> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="abbreviation" mode="short"> <xsl:value-of select="@short"/> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="p"> <p> <xsl:apply-templates/> </p> </xsl:template> <xsl:template match="/"> <xsl:apply-templates/> </xsl:template> </xsl:stylesheet> [-- Warning: decoded text below may be mangled, UTF-8 assumed --] [-- Attachment #3: myfile.xml --] [-- Type: text/xml; name=myfile.xml, Size: 228 bytes --] <body> <abbreviation value="EECS" short="EECS" full="Electrical Engineering and Computer Science" /> <p> I study <abbrev value="EECS"/> which stands for <abbrev value="EECS" infull="yes"/> </p> </body> [-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 487 bytes --] ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-11 19:35 ` nico @ 2007-06-11 20:19 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Quoting nico <nicolas.marsgui@libertysurf.fr>: > On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:42:23 -0400, Aditya Mahajan > <adityam@umich.edu> wrote: > >> Thanks. I had not looked at them and some of the things about handling >> at the ConTeXt end are more clear now. But I think that I did not >> explain my question correctly. >> >> What I do not understand how are abbreviations etc. handled by xslt for >> conversion into html. For example, how do I write an xsl style sheet >> that converts this xml input >> >> <abbreviation value="EECS", short="EECS", full="Electrical Engineering >> and Computer Science" /> >> >> <p> I study <abbrev value="EECS"> which stands for <abbrev >> value="EECS", infull="yes"> </p> >> >> into html as >> >> <p> I study EECS which stands for Electrical Engineering and Computer >> Science </p> >> >> I know that this is not the right list to ask this sort of questions, >> but I am hoping that there are xml users here and they will be able to >> point me to the right direction. > > I haven't followed the thread, but attached an idea of doing what you > want with XSLT. Note that your example is not valid at all (commas > between attributes, missing ending '/' for empty elements). Thank you. This is exactly what I wanted. I will now go back to using xml for simple documents and see how things go. > BTW, it's not a good idea to use the same attribute ("value") as an > reference identifier, and for referencing to another element. Ok. I will keep this in mind. Thanks, Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) 2007-06-10 22:31 Write once layout everwhere (?) Pepe Barbe 2007-06-11 3:49 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2007-06-11 20:28 ` nico 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: nico @ 2007-06-11 20:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hello, On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:31:45 -0500, Pepe Barbe <elventear@gmail.com> wrote: > I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with it > and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. > > Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout the > content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not (Forgive my > ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain Text, or RTF (Those > are the formats that I can think of that are interesting to me > currently). > > Reading the Wiki one of those solutions would be XML, but I know very > little about the subject, so this email is to ask about experiences in > similar endeavors, other solutions for the same problem and how > practical this is. > > I suppose that I would use this for general writing and for academic > as well (Maths and engineering). XML is a good format if you need several output formats without losing information (XHTML, HTML, PDF, manpages, plain text). But I recommend some well established grammar (DITA, DocBook) to be able to use their official transformation tools, and to be able to use some XML WYSIWYG editor that supports them natively (like XXE). Strangely enough the PDF output is weakest point since most of the tools use FO and the related compilers (well known FOP, maybe xmlroff, maybe fotex) which can give very ugly output. The only good compiler I know is XEP, but it is not free (there's a full featured personnal edition that sticks its logo on every page). For docbook, you can try marginal tools to convert the XML to *tex formats (DocbookInContext, db2latex, dblatex). You can also directly use the native XML handling of context (method used by DocbookInContext) but IMHO it needs some context knowledge. Personnaly I use docbook, mostly because I have to produce PDF, HTML, and troff (manpages) outputs. It is even possible to convert some already existing manpages to docbook with doclifter. Regards, BG ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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* Re: Write once layout everwhere (?) [not found] <mailman.429.1181527849.2368.ntg-context@ntg.nl> @ 2007-06-11 10:46 ` Duncan Hothersall 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Duncan Hothersall @ 2007-06-11 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context Hi Pepe, If you want your content to remain maintainable and manageable for a long period (e.g. decades), if you can afford it, and if you have a sufficiently large amount of content, then I strongly recommend investing the time and effort in an XML-based solution. My experience is in large scale educational/commercial applications, in which managing content in XML and using tools like ConTeXt to create beautiful print output, and alternate tools to create web output from the same source, is a very good solution. I can certainly let you know the technology we use, but some of it is commercial and expensive, and other bits are just complicated! I did a talk at the user group meeting which was kinda about this: http://context.aanhet.net/epen2007/share/duncan/ The first question to ask yourself is how much effort is your content worth. The rest of the answers flow from that, in my experience. :-) Duncan > Hello, > > I have used ConTeXt in the past and I have been very pleased with it > and the results obtained, much more than LaTeX. > > Now I am looking into a solution that would allow me to layout the > content ConTeXt and in other formats that ConTeXt does not (Forgive my > ignorance, if I am wrong) output, like HTML, Plain Text, or RTF (Those > are the formats that I can think of that are interesting to me > currently). > > Reading the Wiki one of those solutions would be XML, but I know very > little about the subject, so this email is to ask about experiences in > similar endeavors, other solutions for the same problem and how > practical this is. > > I suppose that I would use this for general writing and for academic > as well (Maths and engineering). > > Thanks, > Pepe > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2007-06-11 20:28 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 13+ messages (download: mbox.gz / follow: Atom feed) -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2007-06-10 22:31 Write once layout everwhere (?) Pepe Barbe 2007-06-11 3:49 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 5:16 ` luigi scarso 2007-06-11 12:26 ` John R. Culleton 2007-06-11 13:15 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 12:26 ` Thomas A. Schmitz 2007-06-11 13:09 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 13:34 ` Wolfgang Schuster 2007-06-11 15:42 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 19:35 ` nico 2007-06-11 20:19 ` Aditya Mahajan 2007-06-11 20:28 ` nico [not found] <mailman.429.1181527849.2368.ntg-context@ntg.nl> 2007-06-11 10:46 ` Duncan Hothersall
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