* Questions on new bibliography system (btx)
@ 2017-02-21 23:46 Rik Kabel
2017-02-22 0:09 ` Alan Braslau
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From: Rik Kabel @ 2017-02-21 23:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I have a few questions about the new bibliography system. The following
example code illustrates the problems.
\startbuffer[TestBib]
@OTHER{Author1975a,
author = {An Author},
title = {A title},
year = {1975},
}
@OTHER{Author1975b,
author = {Author, An},
title = {Another title},
year = {1975},
}
@OTHER{Else1975a,
author = {Somebody Else},
title = {A third title},
year = {1975},
}
@OTHER{Else1975b,
author = {Somebody Else},
title = {A last title},
year = {1975},
}
@FILM{Movie,
producer = {Normal Name},
director = {Funny Name},
title = {Who Knew?},
year = {2010},
publisher = {Producer},
address = {Hollywood}
}
@INBOOK{Subtitle,
author = {Sally Subtitle-Spacing},
title = {Another Country},
year = {1958},
publisher = {Publisher},
address = {City},
volume = {16},
booktitle = {On the road},
booksubtitle = {Books and essays written while traveling under
cover},
}
\stopbuffer
\loadbtxdefinitionfile[apa]
\usebtxdefinitions [apa]
\usebtxdataset [TestBib.buffer]
\definebtxrendering [Pubs][apa]
\starttext
\nocite[*]
\placelistofpublications[Pubs]
\stoptext
How can I get “An Author” treated like “Author, An” as in the OTHER
examples? The result should like like that of “Somebody Else”. Bibtex
databases have both forms and it would be nice if the work was done by
ConTeXt automatically.
The manual suggests that fields like director (see the FILM example) can
be induced to be treated as author/editor names by sufficiently advanced
users. Would such a user please share the method?
In the INBOOK example, can we get a BOOKSUBTITLE field to complement the
BOOKTITLE? My real bibliography has some very long titles, and I would
rather have only the main part appear with \cite[booktitle][entry], yet
have the title with subtitle in the bibliography.
Also in the INBOOK example, I notice that the spacing after “Vol.” is a
sentence space, and it should not be. The spacing after abbreviations in
the bibliography should not depend on setting frenchspacing.
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Rik
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread* Re: Questions on new bibliography system (btx) 2017-02-21 23:46 Questions on new bibliography system (btx) Rik Kabel @ 2017-02-22 0:09 ` Alan Braslau 2017-02-22 0:38 ` Rik Kabel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Alan Braslau @ 2017-02-22 0:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rik Kabel, Hans Hagen; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:46:18 -0500 Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com> wrote: > I have a few questions about the new bibliography system. The > following example code illustrates the problems. > > \startbuffer[TestBib] > @OTHER{Author1975a, > author = {An Author}, > title = {A title}, > year = {1975}, > } > @OTHER{Author1975b, > author = {Author, An}, > title = {Another title}, > year = {1975}, > } > @OTHER{Else1975a, > author = {Somebody Else}, > title = {A third title}, > year = {1975}, > } > @OTHER{Else1975b, > author = {Somebody Else}, > title = {A last title}, > year = {1975}, > } > > @FILM{Movie, > producer = {Normal Name}, > director = {Funny Name}, > title = {Who Knew?}, > year = {2010}, > publisher = {Producer}, > address = {Hollywood} > } > > @INBOOK{Subtitle, > author = {Sally Subtitle-Spacing}, > title = {Another Country}, > year = {1958}, > publisher = {Publisher}, > address = {City}, > volume = {16}, > booktitle = {On the road}, > booksubtitle = {Books and essays written while traveling under > cover}, > } > > \stopbuffer > \loadbtxdefinitionfile[apa] > \usebtxdefinitions [apa] > \usebtxdataset [TestBib.buffer] > \definebtxrendering [Pubs][apa] > > \starttext > > \nocite[*] > > \placelistofpublications[Pubs] > > \stoptext > > How can I get “An Author” treated like “Author, An” as in the OTHER > examples? The result should like like that of “Somebody Else”. Bibtex > databases have both forms and it would be nice if the work was done > by ConTeXt automatically. Context, like bibtex, interprets "An Author" as "First Last", "Author, An" being the explicit form, useful when the last name contains several components. The APA style, that you use, abbreviates the first names. Thus, "An Author" gets rendered correctly as Author, A. and "Somebody Else" as Else, S. > The manual suggests that fields like director (see the FILM example) > can be induced to be treated as author/editor names by sufficiently > advanced users. Would such a user please share the method? producer= and director= are treated as names for @film{} in the APA specification. > In the INBOOK example, can we get a BOOKSUBTITLE field to complement > the BOOKTITLE? My real bibliography has some very long titles, and I > would rather have only the main part appear with > \cite[booktitle][entry], yet have the title with subtitle in the > bibliography. We can easily add a booksubtitle field to the specification, to be handled like title/subtitle. > Also in the INBOOK example, I notice that the spacing after “Vol.” is > a sentence space, and it should not be. The spacing after > abbreviations in the bibliography should not depend on setting > frenchspacing. The abbreviation is followed by a space. You suggest that they should be treated specially, not like the end of a sentence. This does not only pertain to bibliographies. How is this generally done in TeX/Context for any abbreviations anywhere? (I wouldn't know... ;-) Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* Re: Questions on new bibliography system (btx) 2017-02-22 0:09 ` Alan Braslau @ 2017-02-22 0:38 ` Rik Kabel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Rik Kabel @ 2017-02-22 0:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 2017-02-21 19:09, Alan Braslau wrote: > On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:46:18 -0500 > Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com> wrote: > >> I have a few questions about the new bibliography system. The >> following example code illustrates the problems. >> >> \startbuffer[TestBib] >> @OTHER{Author1975a, >> author = {An Author}, >> title = {A title}, >> year = {1975}, >> } >> @OTHER{Author1975b, >> author = {Author, An}, >> title = {Another title}, >> year = {1975}, >> } >> @OTHER{Else1975a, >> author = {Somebody Else}, >> title = {A third title}, >> year = {1975}, >> } >> @OTHER{Else1975b, >> author = {Somebody Else}, >> title = {A last title}, >> year = {1975}, >> } >> >> @FILM{Movie, >> producer = {Normal Name}, >> director = {Funny Name}, >> title = {Who Knew?}, >> year = {2010}, >> publisher = {Producer}, >> address = {Hollywood} >> } >> >> @INBOOK{Subtitle, >> author = {Sally Subtitle-Spacing}, >> title = {Another Country}, >> year = {1958}, >> publisher = {Publisher}, >> address = {City}, >> volume = {16}, >> booktitle = {On the road}, >> booksubtitle = {Books and essays written while traveling under >> cover}, >> } >> >> \stopbuffer >> \loadbtxdefinitionfile[apa] >> \usebtxdefinitions [apa] >> \usebtxdataset [TestBib.buffer] >> \definebtxrendering [Pubs][apa] >> >> \starttext >> >> \nocite[*] >> >> \placelistofpublications[Pubs] >> >> \stoptext >> >> How can I get “An Author” treated like “Author, An” as in the OTHER >> examples? The result should like like that of “Somebody Else”. Bibtex >> databases have both forms and it would be nice if the work was done >> by ConTeXt automatically. > Context, like bibtex, interprets "An Author" as "First Last", "Author, > An" being the explicit form, useful when the last name contains several > components. > > The APA style, that you use, abbreviates the first names. Thus, "An > Author" gets rendered correctly as Author, A. and "Somebody Else" as > Else, S. Understood. The problem here is that An Author and Author, An are treated as two different names, and so the name is repeated on the second bibliography reference. It would be nice if ConTeXt recognized that they are the same name and use a bibliography dash for the second occurrence. >> The manual suggests that fields like director (see the FILM example) >> can be induced to be treated as author/editor names by sufficiently >> advanced users. Would such a user please share the method? > producer= and director= are treated as names for @film{} in the APA > specification. But the output here simply puts it together as FunnyName, while it should be Name, F. >> In the INBOOK example, can we get a BOOKSUBTITLE field to complement >> the BOOKTITLE? My real bibliography has some very long titles, and I >> would rather have only the main part appear with >> \cite[booktitle][entry], yet have the title with subtitle in the >> bibliography. > We can easily add a booksubtitle field to the specification, to be > handled like title/subtitle. Thank you. That would be very nice. >> Also in the INBOOK example, I notice that the spacing after “Vol.” is >> a sentence space, and it should not be. The spacing after >> abbreviations in the bibliography should not depend on setting >> frenchspacing. > The abbreviation is followed by a space. You suggest that they should > be treated specially, not like the end of a sentence. This does not > only pertain to bibliographies. How is this generally done in > TeX/Context for any abbreviations anywhere? (I wouldn't know... ;-) When I have direct control of the abbreviation, I can manage the space. But in this case the bibliography subsystem generates the abbreviation, so I do not have that ability. > > Alan -- Rik ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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