Printing catchword or kustode

Printing catchword or kustode

[Jan Ulrich Hasecke]

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Hi all,

Visiting a museum in Straßburg I saw an old book from Gutenbergs times where the
first word of the next page was printed below the last line of the current page.

The word, sometimes only a syllable of the first word from the next page, is
called catchword or Kustode. They used it to ensure that they bind the pages in
the right order.

I think that it can also be of help if you read a book. 

Is this possible with ConTeXt?

I could not find the word catchword, reclamans or kustode on the wiki.

TIA
juh

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Re: Printing catchword or kustode

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/10/2019 2:25 PM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Visiting a museum in Straßburg I saw an old book from Gutenbergs times where the
> first word of the next page was printed below the last line of the current page.
> 
> The word, sometimes only a syllable of the first word from the next page, is
> called catchword or Kustode. They used it to ensure that they bind the pages in
> the right order.
> 
> I think that it can also be of help if you read a book.
> 
> Is this possible with ConTeXt?
not that hard to implement if really needed


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Re: Printing catchword or kustode

[Rik Kabel]

On 8/10/2019 10:14, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 8/10/2019 2:25 PM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Visiting a museum in Straßburg I saw an old book from Gutenbergs times 
>> where the
>> first word of the next page was printed below the last line of the 
>> current page.
>>
>> The word, sometimes only a syllable of the first word from the next 
>> page, is
>> called catchword or Kustode. They used it to ensure that they bind the 
>> pages in
>> the right order.
>>
>> I think that it can also be of help if you read a book.
>>
>> Is this possible with ConTeXt?
> not that hard to implement if really needed
> 
> 

Here is a vote for implementing it. I find myself writing catchwords by 
hand on speeches I have to give. An automated system of generating them 
would be most welcome.

I suggest that they should optionally be sensitive to the page spread. 
That is, for two-sided documents there should be an option to print them 
only on recto pages. Perhaps some tuning for length, defaulting to one 
word, as well. Placement is traditionally in the bottom inside of the 
outside margin (directly below the text block, flush right).

I do not know if this practice is found in RTL languages, but I do not 
see why it would not be adaptable to them as well.

-- 
Rik

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Re: Printing catchword or kustode

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2019-10-07 um 19:13 schrieb Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com>:
> 
> On 8/10/2019 10:14, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 8/10/2019 2:25 PM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Visiting a museum in Straßburg I saw an old book from Gutenbergs times where the
>>> first word of the next page was printed below the last line of the current page.
>>> 
>>> The word, sometimes only a syllable of the first word from the next page, is
>>> called catchword or Kustode. They used it to ensure that they bind the pages in
>>> the right order.
>>> 
>>> I think that it can also be of help if you read a book.
>>> 
>>> Is this possible with ConTeXt?
>> not that hard to implement if really needed
> 
> Here is a vote for implementing it. I find myself writing catchwords by hand on speeches I have to give. An automated system of generating them would be most welcome.
> 
> I suggest that they should optionally be sensitive to the page spread. That is, for two-sided documents there should be an option to print them only on recto pages. Perhaps some tuning for length, defaulting to one word, as well. Placement is traditionally in the bottom inside of the outside margin (directly below the text block, flush right).
> 
> I do not know if this practice is found in RTL languages, but I do not see why it would not be adaptable to them as well.

It is already implemented, look for the catchword module.
Strangely I can’t find it ATM, but since I listed it in my book it was there, and we talked about it at the meeting.

Wikipedia says, catchwords were in use *especially* in Arab books.

Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: Printing catchword or kustode

[Hans Hagen]

On 10/7/2019 9:20 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
>> Am 2019-10-07 um 19:13 schrieb Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com>:
>>
>> On 8/10/2019 10:14, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> On 8/10/2019 2:25 PM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Visiting a museum in Straßburg I saw an old book from Gutenbergs times where the
>>>> first word of the next page was printed below the last line of the current page.
>>>>
>>>> The word, sometimes only a syllable of the first word from the next page, is
>>>> called catchword or Kustode. They used it to ensure that they bind the pages in
>>>> the right order.
>>>>
>>>> I think that it can also be of help if you read a book.
>>>>
>>>> Is this possible with ConTeXt?
>>> not that hard to implement if really needed
>>
>> Here is a vote for implementing it. I find myself writing catchwords by hand on speeches I have to give. An automated system of generating them would be most welcome.
>>
>> I suggest that they should optionally be sensitive to the page spread. That is, for two-sided documents there should be an option to print them only on recto pages. Perhaps some tuning for length, defaulting to one word, as well. Placement is traditionally in the bottom inside of the outside margin (directly below the text block, flush right).
>>
>> I do not know if this practice is found in RTL languages, but I do not see why it would not be adaptable to them as well.
> 
> It is already implemented, look for the catchword module.
> Strangely I can’t find it ATM, but since I listed it in my book it was there, and we talked about it at the meeting.

maybe i sent it to you for testing but anwyay it was shown at the 
meeting indeed (one of the things kept back till the meeting because 
it's a dangerous bend as well as a dirty trick) .. i'll add it to the 
beta (had to make it also work with mkiv as it was lmtx)
  Hans

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Re: Printing catchword or kustode

[Hans Hagen]

On 10/7/2019 7:13 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> On 8/10/2019 10:14, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 8/10/2019 2:25 PM, Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Visiting a museum in Straßburg I saw an old book from Gutenbergs 
>>> times where the
>>> first word of the next page was printed below the last line of the 
>>> current page.
>>>
>>> The word, sometimes only a syllable of the first word from the next 
>>> page, is
>>> called catchword or Kustode. They used it to ensure that they bind 
>>> the pages in
>>> the right order.
>>>
>>> I think that it can also be of help if you read a book.
>>>
>>> Is this possible with ConTeXt?
>> not that hard to implement if really needed
>>
>>
> 
> Here is a vote for implementing it. I find myself writing catchwords by 
> hand on speeches I have to give. An automated system of generating them 
> would be most welcome.
> 
> I suggest that they should optionally be sensitive to the page spread. 
> That is, for two-sided documents there should be an option to print them 
> only on recto pages. Perhaps some tuning for length, defaulting to one 
> word, as well. Placement is traditionally in the bottom inside of the 
> outside margin (directly below the text block, flush right).

let's not go over the top for such a feature (no big deal to make it odd 
or even page only if needed, but first use it)

> I do not know if this practice is found in RTL languages, but I do not 
> see why it would not be adaptable to them as well.
i have no clue what it means but no one asked for it so we can relax 
about it

Hans

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Re: Printing catchword or kustode

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 2019-10-08 um 11:07 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
> 
> On 10/7/2019 9:20 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> It is already implemented, look for the catchword module.
>> Strangely I can’t find it ATM, but since I listed it in my book it was there, and we talked about it at the meeting.
> 
> maybe i sent it to you for testing but anwyay it was shown at the meeting indeed (one of the things kept back till the meeting because it's a dangerous bend as well as a dirty trick) .. i'll add it to the beta (had to make it also work with mkiv as it was lmtx)

Ah, sorry. Then I added it at the meeting to my list of modules. I could have sworn I saw it before. But I had the same dèjá vu with the metafun xl manual…


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