[NTG-context] ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[NTG-context] ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

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Hi,
while it’s too late for this year’s conferences, I’d like to have some 
nice ConTeXt, MetaPost or general TeX stickers for next year’s.
Do you have ideas?

Find attached an example by Moss.

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Hans van der Meer via ntg-context]

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I would say: Don't use this one. This sticker could be interpreted as having a sexual connotation and that is not the way (excuse the Mandalorian).

yours sincerely
dr. Hans van der Meer



> On 7 Aug 2023, at 19:13, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> while it’s too late for this year’s conferences, I’d like to have some nice ConTeXt, MetaPost or general TeX stickers for next year’s.
> Do you have ideas?
> 
> Find attached an example by Moss.
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.08.23 um 19:20 schrieb Hans van der Meer via ntg-context:
> I would say: Don't use this one. This sticker could be interpreted as 
> having a sexual connotation and that is not the way (excuse the 
> Mandalorian).

The sexual connotation is intentional, of course. Apparently not 
everyone’s kind of humor.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Hans van der Meer via ntg-context]

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Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about my sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last few years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has become about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.

yours sincerely
dr. Hans van der Meer



> On 7 Aug 2023, at 19:57, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
> 
> Am 07.08.23 um 19:20 schrieb Hans van der Meer via ntg-context:
>> I would say: Don't use this one. This sticker could be interpreted as having a sexual connotation and that is not the way (excuse the Mandalorian).
> 
> The sexual connotation is intentional, of course. Apparently not everyone’s kind of humor.
> 
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.08.23 um 20:08 schrieb Hans van der Meer via ntg-context:
> Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about my 
> sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last few 
> years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has become 
> about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex 
> community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.

The TeX community, mostly consisting of LaTeX users, is joking about 
LaTeX vs. latex all the time. At least the part of the community that 
meets at open source conferences and hacker camps.

Looking at other stickers I guess hacker humor is often a bit crude or 
pubertal. <shrug>

I didn’t say we should print this design – Moss or maybe DANTE will.
I’d like to have some interesting/funny stickers to promote ConTeXt (and 
MetaPost/MetaFun). And while I like the Dodo, it’s a MkII joke and I 
won’t stress it even more.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 8/7/23 20:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote:
> Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about my 
> sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last few 
> years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has become 
> about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex 
> community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.

I must say I agree with Hans van der Meer here. For me, this sounds like 
middle school humor; I can't imagine any actual grown-up finding this 
funny. But I'm overall not convinced that such stickers make our world a 
better place. They have a tendency to wind up in places where you don't 
want to see them. So my two cents on your question: don't. They're worse 
than useless.

Thomas
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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/7/2023 8:28 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 8/7/23 20:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote:
>> Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about 
>> my sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last 
>> few years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has 
>> become about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex 
>> community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.
> 
> I must say I agree with Hans van der Meer here. For me, this sounds like 
> middle school humor; I can't imagine any actual grown-up finding this 
> funny. But I'm overall not convinced that such stickers make our world a 
> better place. They have a tendency to wind up in places where you don't 
> want to see them. So my two cents on your question: don't. They're worse 
> than useless.
it's also ugly

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/7/2023 8:28 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 8/7/23 20:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote:
>> Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about 
>> my sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last 
>> few years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has 
>> become about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex 
>> community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.
> 
> I must say I agree with Hans van der Meer here. For me, this sounds like 
> middle school humor; I can't imagine any actual grown-up finding this 
> funny. But I'm overall not convinced that such stickers make our world a 
> better place. They have a tendency to wind up in places where you don't 
> want to see them. So my two cents on your question: don't. They're worse 
> than useless
indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites, 
merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes, upvotes 
.. let's keep it that way

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Hamid,Idris]

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Dear gang, Henning,

That sample is... both culturally tasteless and aesthetically unpleasing.

Why not build on one of Duane Bibby's classic lions? -)

Best wishes

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Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523
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On 8/7/2023 8:28 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
On 8/7/23 20:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote:
> Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about
> my sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last
> few years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has
> become about "humor" of this kind. I am afraid it could place the Tex
> community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.

I must say I agree with Hans van der Meer here. For me, this sounds like
middle school humor; I can't imagine any actual grown-up finding this
funny. But I'm overall not convinced that such stickers make our world a
better place. They have a tendency to wind up in places where you don't
want to see them. So my two cents on your question: don't. They're worse
than useless.
it's also ugly

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.08.23 um 21:42 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites, 
> merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes, upvotes 
> .. let's keep it that way

Hey, I’m just trying to change the status of ConTeXt as "the best TeX 
system that is but nobody knows". And I want to have fun with it, like 
everyone. Doesn’t need to be the same fun. But ok, I won’t try to speak 
in the name of ConTeXt (group/community) again.

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Robert via ntg-context]

When we started our studies of Arabic - this was back in the eighties - our department distributed stickers with the text: ‘Arabists do it from right to left’.

We thought it was funny, and I still do!

Regards,

Robert

> Op 7 aug. 2023, om 23:31 heeft Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Am 07.08.23 um 21:42 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>> indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites, merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes, upvotes .. let's keep it that way
> 
> Hey, I’m just trying to change the status of ConTeXt as "the best TeX system that is but nobody knows". And I want to have fun with it, like everyone. Doesn’t need to be the same fun. But ok, I won’t try to speak in the name of ConTeXt (group/community) again.
> 
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/7/2023 11:31 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 07.08.23 um 21:42 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>> indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites, 
>> merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes, 
>> upvotes .. let's keep it that way
> 
> Hey, I’m just trying to change the status of ConTeXt as "the best TeX 
> system that is but nobody knows". And I want to have fun with it, like 

ha, i'd never claim tbe 'best' but feel free to say that, and 'fun i'd 
claim indeed

> everyone. Doesn’t need to be the same fun. But ok, I won’t try to speak 
> in the name of ConTeXt (group/community) again.
One could put "I stick to Context" or "I'm stuck with Context" on a 
bumper sticker -)

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Marcus Vinicius Mesquita]

It is the best one absolutely. I never regretted to have abandoned
LaTeX a long time ago!

On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:14 PM Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> On 8/7/2023 11:31 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> > Am 07.08.23 um 21:42 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
> >> indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites,
> >> merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes,
> >> upvotes .. let's keep it that way
> >
> > Hey, I’m just trying to change the status of ConTeXt as "the best TeX
> > system that is but nobody knows". And I want to have fun with it, like
>
> ha, i'd never claim tbe 'best' but feel free to say that, and 'fun i'd
> claim indeed
>
> > everyone. Doesn’t need to be the same fun. But ok, I won’t try to speak
> > in the name of ConTeXt (group/community) again.
> One could put "I stick to Context" or "I'm stuck with Context" on a
> bumper sticker -)
>
> Hans
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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Otared Kavian]

> On 7 Aug 2023, at 20:25, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
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> The TeX community, mostly consisting of LaTeX users, is joking about LaTeX vs. latex all the time. At least the part of the community that meets at open source conferences and hacker camps.
> 

Indeed, those old enough, would remember that the book « The Joy of TeX, a Gourmet Guide to Typesetting with the AMSTeX Macro Package » by Michael Spivak was written as a parody of « The Joy of Sex: A Gourmet Guide to Lovemaking » appeared in 1972…


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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/8/2023 11:19 AM, Otared Kavian wrote:
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>> On 7 Aug 2023, at 20:25, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>> […]
>> The TeX community, mostly consisting of LaTeX users, is joking about LaTeX vs. latex all the time. At least the part of the community that meets at open source conferences and hacker camps.

only by texies who don't know that they are pronounced differently and 
i bet the publisher of the latex companion preferred a rather boring 
cover over a more tantalizing one but it would have made a nice experiment

i hope it's not the only joke they make about tex as there is plenty to 
joke about (the) tex (community)

for years we used the excellent yandy(tex) dvipsone postscript backend 
and pretty good dviwindo viewer (that had hyperlink support, which is 
why we had pdf hyperlink working in a day after acrobat 1 showed up)

but googling for yandy was not helpful for their marketing i guess

> Indeed, those old enough, would remember that the book « The Joy of TeX, a Gourmet Guide to Typesetting with the AMSTeX Macro Package » by Michael Spivak was written as a parody of « The Joy of Sex: A Gourmet Guide to Lovemaking » appeared in 1972…
So, did that became a best seller then? It could explain why there are 
some folk always complaining about the context manuals.

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: ideas for ConTeXt stickers?

[Bruce Horrocks]

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> On 7 Aug 2023, at 18:13, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
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> while it’s too late for this year’s conferences, I’d like to have some nice ConTeXt, MetaPost or general TeX stickers for next year’s.
> Do you have ideas?


Here's my suggestion for a sticker that we can't use. ;-)

Regards,


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