issue loading fonts

issue loading fonts

[Pablo Rodriguez]

Dear list,

I have the following sample:

    \definefontfamily
        [mainface]
        [rm]
        [Pagella]
        [tf={file:texgyrepagella-regular.otf},
         bf={file:texgyrepagella-regular-500.otf},
         it={file:texgyrepagella-regular-2000.otf}]

    \setupbodyfont[mainface]
    \starttext
    normal\\
    \bf bold\\
    \it italics
    \stoptext

Sorry, but I don’t get the fonts for \bf and \it loaded.

What am I doing wrong?

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo
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Re: issue loading fonts

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Are the bold and italic fonts listed when you run the fonts script?

mtxrun --script fonts --list --all texgyrepagella*

Wolfgang


Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 22.10.18 um 21:18:
> Dear list,
>
> I have the following sample:
>
>      \definefontfamily
>          [mainface]
>          [rm]
>          [Pagella]
>          [tf={file:texgyrepagella-regular.otf},
>           bf={file:texgyrepagella-regular-500.otf},
>           it={file:texgyrepagella-regular-2000.otf}]
>
>      \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>      \starttext
>      normal\\
>      \bf bold\\
>      \it italics
>      \stoptext
>
> Sorry, but I don’t get the fonts for \bf and \it loaded.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Many thanks for your help,
>
> Pablo

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Re: issue loading fonts

[Pablo Rodriguez]

On 10/22/18 9:35 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Are the bold and italic fonts listed when you run the fonts script?
> 
> mtxrun --script fonts --list --all texgyrepagella*

Yes, they are listed.

And I even get the fonts loaded when the font family is different:

    \definefontfamily
        [mainface]
        [rm]
        [Pagella]
        [tf={file:texgyrepagella-bolditalic.otf},
         bf={file:texgyrepagella-italic.otf},
         it={file:texgyrepagella-regular.otf}]

I may use them with

    \definefont[TestMM][file:texgyrepagella-regular-2000.otf at 10pt]

But not with \definefontfamily.

Pablo


> Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 22.10.18 um 21:18:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I have the following sample:
>>
>>      \definefontfamily
>>          [mainface]
>>          [rm]
>>          [Pagella]
>>          [tf={file:texgyrepagella-regular.otf},
>>           bf={file:texgyrepagella-regular-500.otf},
>>           it={file:texgyrepagella-regular-2000.otf}]
>>
>>      \setupbodyfont[mainface]
>>      \starttext
>>      normal\\
>>      \bf bold\\
>>      \it italics
>>      \stoptext
>>
>> Sorry, but I don’t get the fonts for \bf and \it loaded.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Many thanks for your help,
>>
>> Pablo
> 
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Re: issue loading fonts

[Arthur Reutenauer]

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:03:09PM +0200, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 10/22/18 9:35 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Are the bold and italic fonts listed when you run the fonts script?
>> 
>> mtxrun --script fonts --list --all texgyrepagella*
> 
> Yes, they are listed.

  That’s not what I observe: the real bold and italic fonts are listed,
but not the ones that are defined as bold and italic by
\definefontfamily, i. e. texgyrepagella-regular-500.otf and
texgyrepagella-regular-2000.otf.  However, these two files are available
to ConTeXt:

> I may use them with
> 
>     \definefont[TestMM][file:texgyrepagella-regular-2000.otf at 10pt]
> 
> But not with \definefontfamily.

  I can reproduce this.  That means ConTeXt won’t let you use a
regular-weight font face as the bold version of a font family, nor an
upright font as an italic one, which in my opinion is rather a good
thing.

	Best,

		Arthur
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Re: issue loading fonts

[Rik]

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On 10/23/2018 05:17, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> ...
>    I can reproduce this.  That means ConTeXt won’t let you use a
> regular-weight font face as the bold version of a font family, nor an
> upright font as an italic one, which in my opinion is rather a good
> thing.

That is simply wrong.

Not only will ConTeXt happily let you do that, it is sometimes a good 
thing to do. In a font with many weights, you have to select appropriate 
faces for the medium or printing method, and using a light face for the 
normal and a regular weight (whatever that means for the font) for bold 
emphasis. Or you may want change the way emphasis is used to make a 
point, and reverse bold and italic in one swell foop.

The example on the wiki page for \definefontfamily shows some of this in 
action, but ConTeXt does not get in the way of doing even sillier things:

    \definefontfamily   [reutenauer]
                         [rm]
                         [sourcecodepro]
                         [tf=style:bolditalic,
                          it=file:kabelblack.ttf,
                          bf=style:normal,
                          bi=file:comic.ttf]
    \setupbodyfont      [reutenauer]
    \starttext
    tf: {\tf \fontname\font\ \samplefile{ward}}\par
    it: {\it \fontname\font\ \samplefile{ward}}\par
    bf: {\bf \fontname\font\ \samplefile{ward}}\par
    bi: {\bi \fontname\font\ \samplefile{ward}}\par
    \stoptext


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Re: issue loading fonts

[Arthur Reutenauer]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 10:30:36AM -0400, Rik wrote:
> On 10/23/2018 05:17, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
>
>>    I can reproduce this.  That means ConTeXt won’t let you use a
>> regular-weight font face as the bold version of a font family, nor an
>> upright font as an italic one, which in my opinion is rather a good
>> thing.
> 
> That is simply wrong.

  I know.  I realised that Pablo was trying to say exactly that.
ConTeXt does not prevent users from shooting themselves in the foot.
But why do it?

	Arthur
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Re: issue loading fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:03 PM Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:

> On 10/22/18 9:35 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> > Are the bold and italic fonts listed when you run the fonts script?
> >
> > mtxrun --script fonts --list --all texgyrepagella*
>
> Yes, they are listed.
>
> And I even get the fonts loaded when the font family is different:
>
>     \definefontfamily
>         [mainface]
>         [rm]
>         [Pagella]
>         [tf={file:texgyrepagella-bolditalic.otf},
>          bf={file:texgyrepagella-italic.otf},
>          it={file:texgyrepagella-regular.otf}]
>
> Are you sure about the syntax of definefotnfamily ?
You can check conflicts with
$> mtxrun --script fonts --info  --list --all pagella

PS
Experimenting is sometime the only way to learn,
but it's clear that it's mandatory to use a sandbox.
Modifying only some names can be ok with \definefont
but it's very likely that all these
texgyrepagella-regular-*.otf manually patched are in conflict
-- they go into the cache,  so it can happen that silently context  use
texgyrepagella-regular-500.otf instead of texgyrepagella-regular.otf .
At least
mtxrun --script pdf --fonts <pdffile>
should show you the right names.

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Re: issue loading fonts

[Arthur Reutenauer]

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:54:44AM +0200, luigi scarso wrote:
> At least
> mtxrun --script pdf --fonts <pdffile>
> should show you the right names.

  Actually, even that can miss: I’ve just made a file with two different
fonts that each identify themselves as TeXGyrePagella-Regular, one of
which is the modified font with 2000 UPM, and that can be seen inside
the font stream (the FontFile3 entry in the font descriptor).  The name
TeXGyrePagella-Regular2000 appears there and only there.  Not surprising
that it would be inconsistent, of course.

	Best,

		Arthur
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Re: issue loading fonts

[luigi scarso]

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On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:54 AM luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 10:03 PM Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/18 9:35 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> > Are the bold and italic fonts listed when you run the fonts script?
>> >
>> > mtxrun --script fonts --list --all texgyrepagella*
>>
>> Yes, they are listed.
>>
>> And I even get the fonts loaded when the font family is different:
>>
>>     \definefontfamily
>>         [mainface]
>>         [rm]
>>         [Pagella]
>>         [tf={file:texgyrepagella-bolditalic.otf},
>>          bf={file:texgyrepagella-italic.otf},
>>          it={file:texgyrepagella-regular.otf}]
>>
>> Are you sure about the syntax of definefotnfamily ?
>

uh,  *my* \definefotnfamily is wrong...


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