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Just be careful, though (writing as a native English speaker), because 
the word 'polymath' for English speaker is not a reference to 
mathematicians at all. (Greek/mathē/ means 'learning' not mathematics). 
Translators are well aware of the danger of homonyms, and if you go for 
a title like Manual for Polymathematicians, then the word is being 
wrongly used. There is a word 'polymath' in English, but not 
'polymathematician', unless of course you make it clear that it is 
merely a play on words. But personally, I'd avoid that.

Julian

On 26/1/22 20:36, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 1/26/2022 10:23 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
>> In line with what Otared writes about the measurement of distances in 
>> the context of Persia and ancient Rome, I am always very surprised to 
>> see the precision of the measurements in the evaluation of the 
>> circumference of the earth by Eratosthenes of Cyrene. What intrigues 
>> me is not really the geometry calculations involved, but the 
>> calculation of the distance between Aswan and Alexandria. There is 
>> little information on the taking of this measurement: is it Egyptian 
>> surveyors (bematists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bematist) or the 
>> use of an instrument equivalent to a pedometer? see here: 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
>    Eratosthenes of Cyrene was a Greek polymath ...
>
> Ah ... that makes a great subtitle for Mikaels upcoming math manual: 
> "A manual for polymathematicians"
>
>    A polymath (Greek: πολυμαθής, polymathēs, "having learned much";
>
> and then we can talk 'polymathematical typesetting' and such (I'm sure 
> that Arthur can come up with a reflective historical tex-talk.)
>
> Hans
>
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    <p>Just be careful, though (writing as a native English speaker),
      because the word 'polymath' for English speaker is not a reference
      to mathematicians at all. (Greek<i> mathē</i> means 'learning' not
      mathematics). Translators are well aware of the danger of
      homonyms, and if you go for a title like Manual for
      Polymathematicians, then the word is being wrongly used. There is
      a word 'polymath' in English, but not 'polymathematician', unless
      of course you make it clear that it is merely a play on words. But
      personally, I'd avoid that.</p>
    <p>Julian<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/1/22 20:36, Hans Hagen via
      ntg-context wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:17cf30dc-c9c9-432d-58b0-63b8b28308ba@xs4all.nl">On
      1/26/2022 10:23 AM, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">In line with what Otared writes about the
        measurement of distances in the context of Persia and ancient
        Rome, I am always very surprised to see the precision of the
        measurements in the evaluation of the circumference of the earth
        by Eratosthenes of Cyrene. What intrigues me is not really the
        geometry calculations involved, but the calculation of the
        distance between Aswan and Alexandria. There is little
        information on the taking of this measurement: is it Egyptian
        surveyors (bematists: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bematist">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bematist</a>) or
        the use of an instrument equivalent to a pedometer? see here:
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes</a>
        <br>
      </blockquote>
         Eratosthenes of Cyrene was a Greek polymath ...
      <br>
      <br>
      Ah ... that makes a great subtitle for Mikaels upcoming math
      manual: "A manual for polymathematicians"
      <br>
      <br>
         A polymath (Greek: πολυμαθής, polymathēs, "having learned
      much";
      <br>
      <br>
      and then we can talk 'polymathematical typesetting' and such (I'm
      sure that Arthur can come up with a reflective historical
      tex-talk.)
      <br>
      <br>
      Hans
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