Footnotes in columns

Footnotes in columns

[Clyde Johnston]

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I can no longer print the footnotes when I using columns in LTMX.  If I
remove the \{start|stop}columns, it works fine.  This works on my old MKIV
2018.07.02 14:39 version.

 

\setupcolumns[n=2,rule=off,balance=no]

 

\starttext

  \startcolumns

  \input ward\footnote{A small footnote here}

  \stopcolumns

\stoptext

 

Context Version: 2021.01.24 16:07

 

Clyde

 


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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Jano Kula]

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Hello Hans,

with fresh LMTX footnotes are still missing in \startcolumns as Clyde
reported:

\starttext
\startcolumns
\input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}
\stopcolumns
\stoptext

Tried columnsets. Footnotes are overlapping text and some text at the
column break disappeared:

\starttext
\startcolumnset
\dorecurse{10}{\input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}\ }
\stopcolumnset
\stoptext

We are running out of options :) Could you, please, have a look at it when
your metafun mode is over?

Thanks,
Jano
ConTeXt  ver: 2021.03.05 19:14 LMTX  fmt: 2021.3.6





On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:05 PM Clyde Johnston <clyde@johnston.name> wrote:

> I can no longer print the footnotes when I using columns in LTMX.  If I
> remove the \{start|stop}columns, it works fine.  This works on my old MKIV
> 2018.07.02 14:39 version.
>
>
>
> \setupcolumns[n=2,rule=off,balance=no]
>
>
>
> \starttext
>
>   \startcolumns
>
>   \input ward\footnote{A small footnote here}
>
>   \stopcolumns
>
> \stoptext
>
>
>
> Context Version: 2021.01.24 16:07
>
>
>
> Clyde
>
>
>
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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

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Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):

- they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of the text area)

- they often get overwritten by main text

Is there a workaround?

Hraban


> Am 06.03.2021 um 19:18 schrieb Jano Kula <jano.kula@gmail.com>:
> 
> Hello Hans,
> 
> with fresh LMTX footnotes are still missing in \startcolumns as Clyde reported:
> 
> \starttext
> \startcolumns
> \input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}
> \stopcolumns
> \stoptext
> 
> Tried columnsets. Footnotes are overlapping text and some text at the column break disappeared:
> 
> \starttext
> \startcolumnset
> \dorecurse{10}{\input knuth\footnote{D. E. Knuth}\ }
> \stopcolumnset
> \stoptext
> 
> We are running out of options :) Could you, please, have a look at it when your metafun mode is over?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jano
> ConTeXt  ver: 2021.03.05 19:14 LMTX  fmt: 2021.3.6  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 10:05 PM Clyde Johnston <clyde@johnston.name> wrote:
> I can no longer print the footnotes when I using columns in LTMX.  If I remove the \{start|stop}columns, it works fine.  This works on my old MKIV 2018.07.02 14:39 version.
> 
>  
> 
> \setupcolumns[n=2,rule=off,balance=no]
> 
>  
> 
> \starttext
> 
>   \startcolumns
> 
>   \input ward\footnote{A small footnote here}
> 
>   \stopcolumns
> 
> \stoptext
> 
>  
> 
> Context Version: 2021.01.24 16:07
> 
>  
> 
> Clyde
>  

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\usemodule[visual]
\setuplayout[lines=40,grid=yes]
\definecolumnset[cgjcolset][n=2]
\definecolumnsetspan[chapter][n=2]
\setuphead[chapter][page=no,after=,before=]
\setupfootnotes[location=columns]

\starttext

\startcolumnset[cgjcolset]

   \startcolumnsetspan[chapter]
    \startchapter[title={This is a chapter about column sets}]

    \samplefile{tufte}\par
   \stopcolumnsetspan

   \dorecurse{7}{
   \startsection[title={Some section that stays within the column}]

   \samplefile{sapolsky}\par
   %\samplefile{knuth}\par
   %\samplefile{lorem}\par
   \startitemize
   \dorecurse{5}{\startitem\fakewords{2}{20}\footnote{\fakewords{2}{20}}\fakewords{2}{20}\stopitem}
   \stopitemize

   \samplefile{knuth}\par
   \stopsection
   }
   \stopchapter

\stopcolumnset
\page

\stoptext

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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Jano Kula via ntg-context]

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Hello Hraban!

On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

> Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
>
> - they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of the
> text area)
>
> - they often get overwritten by main text
>
> Is there a workaround?
>

I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of
interferencies there will be no quick fix.

Coffee break at the meeting will be the right place to ask for the higher
priority.

Jano

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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:
> Hello Hraban!
> 
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 
> <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
> 
>     Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
> 
>     - they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
>     the text area)
> 
>     - they often get overwritten by main text
> 
>     Is there a workaround?
> 
> 
> I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of 
> interferencies there will be no quick fix.
>

good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when 
you went back to mkii

> Coffee break at the meeting will be the right place to ask for the 
> higher priority.
well, for sure, it helps to get my attention when i meet you over coffee 
(i know you look forward to real coffee)

i will pick up on footnotes once some other long pending priorities 
(annoyances actually) are met (which i will explain at the evening beer 
break next month)

Hans

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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

> Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
> 
> On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:
>> Hello Hraban!
>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
>>    Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
>>    - they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
>>    the text area)
>>    - they often get overwritten by main text
>>    Is there a workaround?
>> I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of interferencies there will be no quick fix.
>> 
> 
> good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you went back to mkii

;D
Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some articles use LMTX features.

I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...


>> Coffee break at the meeting will be the right place to ask for the higher priority.
> well, for sure, it helps to get my attention when i meet you over coffee (i know you look forward to real coffee)
> 
> i will pick up on footnotes once some other long pending priorities (annoyances actually) are met (which i will explain at the evening beer break next month)

=(

Hraban
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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/13/2021 12:32 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> 
>> Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>
>> On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:
>>> Hello Hraban!
>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
>>>     Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
>>>     - they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
>>>     the text area)
>>>     - they often get overwritten by main text
>>>     Is there a workaround?
>>> I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of interferencies there will be no quick fix.
>>>
>>
>> good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you went back to mkii
> 
> ;D
> Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some articles use LMTX features.
> 
> I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...
A lot has to do with defaults. We have several multicolumn mechanisms an 
cnotes themselves can also come in columns and it's nto easy to have a 
setup that suits them all, so each mechanism has additional settings. 
I'm still not sure how to deal with this because there are conflicting 
demands. So, one ends up in 'fix this setup' 'break that setup' 
situations (basically it means that we need to setup things on an extra 
axis: the kind of otr used). It's a bit the price we pay for 
configurability.

Hans

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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

> Am 13.08.2021 um 08:43 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
> 
> On 8/13/2021 12:32 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
>>> Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>> 
>>> On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> Hello Hraban!
>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
>>>>    Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
>>>>    - they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
>>>>    the text area)
>>>>    - they often get overwritten by main text
>>>>    Is there a workaround?
>>>> I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of interferencies there will be no quick fix.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you went back to mkii
>> ;D
>> Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some articles use LMTX features.
>> I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...
> A lot has to do with defaults. We have several multicolumn mechanisms an cnotes themselves can also come in columns and it's nto easy to have a setup that suits them all, so each mechanism has additional settings. I'm still not sure how to deal with this because there are conflicting demands. So, one ends up in 'fix this setup' 'break that setup' situations (basically it means that we need to setup things on an extra axis: the kind of otr used). It's a bit the price we pay for configurability.

Would it be viable to use columnset areas for footnotes? Then the user could configure themselves where they should go, how many columns they should span etc.

Hraban
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Re: Footnotes in columns

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/13/2021 8:54 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
> 
> 
>> Am 13.08.2021 um 08:43 schrieb Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl>:
>>
>> On 8/13/2021 12:32 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> Am 13.08.2021 um 00:03 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>:
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2021 10:01 PM, Jano Kula via ntg-context wrote:
>>>>> Hello Hraban!
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2021, 15:24 Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>     Footnotes still don’t work in columnsets (latest LMTX):
>>>>>     - they stay in one column (I’d prefer them over the whole width of
>>>>>     the text area)
>>>>>     - they often get overwritten by main text
>>>>>     Is there a workaround?
>>>>> I had to switch back to mkiv. It's on Hans' agenda, but with lots of interferencies there will be no quick fix.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> good old mkiv ... so it serves a purpose! i would be more worried when you went back to mkii
>>> ;D
>>> Unfortunately I can’t go back to MkIV with the CG journal since some articles use LMTX features.
>>> I’ll probably find some ugly hack to work around the issues...
>> A lot has to do with defaults. We have several multicolumn mechanisms an cnotes themselves can also come in columns and it's nto easy to have a setup that suits them all, so each mechanism has additional settings. I'm still not sure how to deal with this because there are conflicting demands. So, one ends up in 'fix this setup' 'break that setup' situations (basically it means that we need to setup things on an extra axis: the kind of otr used). It's a bit the price we pay for configurability.
> 
> Would it be viable to use columnset areas for footnotes? Then the user could configure themselves where they should go, how many columns they should span etc.
the problem with notes is that the pagebreak depends on them so it is 
impossible to predict sizes .. it works with ratios and such in 
basically a one column operation mode (because that is what tex has)

text text text
text text text
text text text
text text text

note
note
note

tex has to split page and notes if needed and take optional distance 
into account

the lua(meta)tex engine already privides a bit more control but 
solutions always have to operate with margins

now, if users would accept limitations much is possible but in the end 
there always a 'i want this note to end up here' demand

the same with figures: if they may float we can do a good job, but 
designers / publishers (unaware of reliable floating) nearly always 
demand 'it should end up here' which then conflicts with automated 
typesetting because 'here' means that one also manually messes with the 
rest

Hans


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Re: FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

[Pablo Rodríguez]

On 31/05/13 19:35, Manuel González Suárez wrote:
> That is exactly the result I want to obtain. Can you send me the code?
> You can see my bad result (LuaTeX + MKIV)
> Thanks

Hi Manuel,

The standard behaviour, as you name it, seems to require that you update
ConTeXt.

I'm only guessing, but compiling your code:

    \starttext
    \startcolumns[n=3,rule=on]
    \input knuth Manolo mine\footnote{\input knuth}
    \stopcolumns
    \stoptext

with ConTeXt standalone outputs a three column body with a no-column
footnote.

Just in case it helps,


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Re: FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

[Manuel González Suárez]

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That is exactly the result I want to obtain. Can you send me the code? You
can see my bad result (LuaTeX + MKIV)
Thanks


2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>

>
> Am 31.05.2013 um 18:53 schrieb Manuel González Suárez <
> manuelteral@gmail.com>:
>
>
>
> 2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>
>
>>
>>  Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ <
>> gonzalezsmanuel@uniovi.es>:
>>
>>  hello
>> I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the
>> page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the
>> code:
>> \ setupfootnotes [location = page]
>> \ starttext
>> \ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
>> \ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
>> \ stopcolumns
>> \ stoptext
>> Can you help me? Is this the "normal" behavior?
>>
>>
>> When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
>> are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.
>>
>> Wolfgang
>>
>
>
>> Yes Wolfgang, but that's not the result I want. Footnotes should occupy
>> the entire width of the page and not just the width of a column. I can achieve
>> this??
>>
>
>
> The textblock is the width of all three columns including the space
> between the columns, see the attachment for the result I get.
>
> Wolfgang
>
>
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Re: FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 31.05.2013 um 18:53 schrieb Manuel González Suárez <manuelteral@gmail.com>:

> 
> 
> 2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>
> 
> Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ <gonzalezsmanuel@uniovi.es>:
> 
>> hello
>> I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the code:
>> \ setupfootnotes [location = page]
>> \ starttext
>> \ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
>> \ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
>> \ stopcolumns
>> \ stoptext
>> Can you help me? Is this the "normal" behavior?
> 
> When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
> are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.
> 
> Wolfgang
>  
> Yes Wolfgang, but that's not the result I want. Footnotes should occupy the entire width of the page and not just the width of a column. I can achieve this??


The textblock is the width of all three columns including the space between the columns, see the attachment for the result I get.

Wolfgang

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Re: FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

[Manuel González Suárez]

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2013/5/31 Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com>

>
>  Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ <
> gonzalezsmanuel@uniovi.es>:
>
>  hello
> I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the
> page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the
> code:
> \ setupfootnotes [location = page]
> \ starttext
> \ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
> \ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
> \ stopcolumns
> \ stoptext
> Can you help me? Is this the "normal" behavior?
>
>
> When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
> are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.
>
> Wolfgang
>


> Yes Wolfgang, but that's not the result I want. Footnotes should occupy
> the entire width of the page and not just the width of a column. I can achieve
> this??
>
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Re: FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Am 31.05.2013 um 00:51 schrieb MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ <gonzalezsmanuel@uniovi.es>:

> hello
> I do not know how I can make footnotes covering the entire bottom of the page and not grouped in the first column in a 3 column text. This is the code:
> \ setupfootnotes [location = page]
> \ starttext
> \ startcolumns [n = 3, rule = on]
> \ input knuth Manolo mine \ footnote {\ input knuth}
> \ stopcolumns
> \ stoptext
> Can you help me? Is this the "normal" behavior?

When I run your example I get three columns for the text but the footnotes
are placed in a single column which uses the width of the textblock.

Wolfgang


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FOOTNOTES IN COLUMNS

[MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ]

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Footnotes in columns

[Aditya Mahajan]

I am writing a two column document using \startcolumns .... 
\stopcolumns. Now, by default, a \footnote in columns spans the whole 
text width. I want the footnote to appear at the bottom of the column 
where it was called. How can I do that.

Aditya