Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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Hi,

I'm using tabulate for parallel texts (source and translation next to each other). The top of each table should consist of only one cell covering both columns with centered content. Is that possible?

A HTML equivalent will look roughly like this:

<table>
  <tr>
    <th colspan="2">Manuscript XY </th>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever</td>
    <td>This is the translation</td>
  </tr>
</table>

With ConteXt I'd like to do something like this

\starttabulate[|p(1.2cm)|p(1.2cm)|]
  \NC Manuscript XY \NR
  \NC  Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever
  \NC  This is the translation \NC \NR
\stoptabulate

This compiles (interestingly?), but the cells at the top aren't merged.

Any ideas ?

I know that natural tables offer more in this regard, but those seem not to be so well suited for parallel texts.

Denis

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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context]

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Dear Denis,

> Le 27 nov. 2021 à 13:25, Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> a écrit :
> 
> Hi,
>  
> I’m using tabulate for parallel texts (source and translation next to each other). The top of each table should consist of only one cell covering both columns with centered content. Is that possible?
>  
> A HTML equivalent will look roughly like this:
>  
> <table>
>   <tr>
>     <th colspan="2">Manuscript XY </th>
>   </tr>
>   <tr>
>     <td>Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever</td>
>     <td>This is the translation</td>
>   </tr>
> </table>
>  
> With ConteXt I’d like to do something like this
>  
> \starttabulate[|p(1.2cm)|p(1.2cm)|]
>   \NC Manuscript XY \NR
>   \NC  Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever
>   \NC  This is the translation \NC \NR                                             
> \stoptabulate
>  
> This compiles (interestingly?), but the cells at the top aren’t merged.
>  
> Any ideas ?
>  
> I know that natural tables offer more in this regard, but those seem not to be so well suited for parallel texts.

I switched to natural tables a long time ago and that's how I would do it:

\starttext
\bTABLE[width=8cm, frame=off]
\setupTABLE[c][1][roffset=0.5em]
\setupTABLE[c][2][loffset=0.5em]
\bTR
	\bTD[nc=2, align=center, bottomframe=on] Manuscript XY \eTD
\eTR\bTR
\bTD
	Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever.
	
	The text can comprise multiple paragraphs.
	Or even lists and other goodies :
	\startitemize[intro, packed]
	\item first item
	\item second item
	\stopitemize
\eTD\bTD
	This is the translation
\eTD
\eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext
 
I haven't seen drawbacks with parallel texts (yet) and I found natural tables very flexible.

Hope it helps,


-- 
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jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr <mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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Bonjour Jean-Philippe

Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is what https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview currently says: extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.)
Have you ever noticed problems in that area?

Best,
Denis

Von: Jean-Philippe Rey <jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 17:36
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Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>
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Dear Denis,


Le 27 nov. 2021 à 13:25, Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> a écrit :

Hi,

I’m using tabulate for parallel texts (source and translation next to each other). The top of each table should consist of only one cell covering both columns with centered content. Is that possible?

A HTML equivalent will look roughly like this:

<table>
  <tr>
    <th colspan="2">Manuscript XY </th>
  </tr>
  <tr>
    <td>Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever</td>
    <td>This is the translation</td>
  </tr>
</table>

With ConteXt I’d like to do something like this

\starttabulate[|p(1.2cm)|p(1.2cm)|]
  \NC Manuscript XY \NR
  \NC  Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever
  \NC  This is the translation \NC \NR
\stoptabulate

This compiles (interestingly?), but the cells at the top aren’t merged.

Any ideas ?

I know that natural tables offer more in this regard, but those seem not to be so well suited for parallel texts.

I switched to natural tables a long time ago and that's how I would do it:

\starttext
\bTABLE[width=8cm, frame=off]
\setupTABLE[c][1][roffset=0.5em]
\setupTABLE[c][2][loffset=0.5em]
\bTR
          \bTD[nc=2, align=center, bottomframe=on] Manuscript XY \eTD
\eTR\bTR
\bTD
          Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever.

          The text can comprise multiple paragraphs.
          Or even lists and other goodies :
          \startitemize[intro, packed]
          \item first item
          \item second item
          \stopitemize
\eTD\bTD
          This is the translation
\eTD
\eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext

I haven't seen drawbacks with parallel texts (yet) and I found natural tables very flexible.

Hope it helps,

--
Jean-Philippe Rey
jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr<mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France
Empreinte PGP : 807A 5B2C 69E4 D4B5 783A 428A 1B5E E83E 261B BF51


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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context]

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Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 17:45:
>
> Bonjour Jean-Philippe
>
> Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t 
> remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting 
> things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do 
> with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is what 
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview currently says: 
> extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.)
>
> Have you ever noticed problems in that area?
>

Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works 
only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).

A big feature of tabulate is that cells can be split at page breaks 
while cells in natural tables and extreme tables are limited to a single 
page.

Wolfgang


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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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Von: Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com>
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 18:11
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>; Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
Cc: jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr; Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>
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Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 17:45:

Bonjour Jean-Philippe

Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is what https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview currently says: extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.)
Have you ever noticed problems in that area?

Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).

You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where this span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM.
How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it.



A big feature of tabulate is that cells can be split at page breaks while cells in natural tables and extreme tables are limited to a single page.

Yes, that sounds like the reason for using tabulate back then.


Wolfgang



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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context]

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Denis,

I have used natural tables that span multiple pages. However, if I am right, each row must be contained on a single page. That may be an issue depending on your use cases.

Best,

> Le 27 nov. 2021 à 17:45, denis.maier@unibe.ch a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour Jean-Philippe
>  
> Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is whathttps://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview <https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview> currently says: extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.)
> Have you ever noticed problems in that area?
>  
> Best,
> Denis
>  
> Von: Jean-Philippe Rey <jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr> 
> Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 17:36
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate
>  
> Dear Denis,
> 
> 
> Le 27 nov. 2021 à 13:25, Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> a écrit :
>  
> Hi,
>  
> I’m using tabulate for parallel texts (source and translation next to each other). The top of each table should consist of only one cell covering both columns with centered content. Is that possible?
>  
> A HTML equivalent will look roughly like this:
>  
> <table>
>   <tr>
>     <th colspan="2">Manuscript XY </th>
>   </tr>
>   <tr>
>     <td>Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever</td>
>     <td>This is the translation</td>
>   </tr>
> </table>
>  
> With ConteXt I’d like to do something like this
>  
> \starttabulate[|p(1.2cm)|p(1.2cm)|]
>   \NC Manuscript XY \NR
>   \NC  Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever
>   \NC  This is the translation \NC \NR                                             
> \stoptabulate
>  
> This compiles (interestingly?), but the cells at the top aren’t merged.
>  
> Any ideas ?
>  
> I know that natural tables offer more in this regard, but those seem not to be so well suited for parallel texts.
>  
> I switched to natural tables a long time ago and that's how I would do it:
>  
> \starttext
> \bTABLE[width=8cm, frame=off]
> \setupTABLE[c][1][roffset=0.5em]
> \setupTABLE[c][2][loffset=0.5em]
> \bTR
>           \bTD[nc=2, align=center, bottomframe=on] Manuscript XY \eTD
> \eTR\bTR
> \bTD
>           Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever.
>           
>           The text can comprise multiple paragraphs.
>           Or even lists and other goodies :
>           \startitemize[intro, packed]
>           \item first item
>           \item second item
>           \stopitemize
> \eTD\bTD
>           This is the translation
> \eTD
> \eTR
> \eTABLE
> \stoptext
>  
> I haven't seen drawbacks with parallel texts (yet) and I found natural tables very flexible.
>  
> Hope it helps,
> 
> -- 
> Jean-Philippe Rey
> jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr <mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
> 91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France
> Empreinte PGP : 807A 5B2C 69E4 D4B5 783A 428A 1B5E E83E 261B BF51


-- 
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jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr <mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France
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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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Looks like Outlook messed up the formatting in my last message ...

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Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 17:45:
Bonjour Jean-Philippe

Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is what https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview currently says: extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.)
Have you ever noticed problems in that area?

Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).


You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where this span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM.
How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it.

Denis


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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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Von: Jean-Philippe Rey <jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr>
Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 19:31
An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>
Cc: ntg-context@ntg.nl
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Denis,

I have used natural tables that span multiple pages. However, if I am right, each row must be contained on a single page. That may be an issue depending on your use cases.

Best,

Well, I guess that must have been the reason why I chose tabulate.

Denis




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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context]

Am 27.11.21 um 21:49 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context:
> Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works 
> only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).
> 
> You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where this 
> span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM.
> 
> How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it.

Now it’s documented:
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate

Hraban
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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

Thanks, Hraban. That's really helpful. I'll have a look at this feature.

Denis

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> Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 22:23
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> Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate
> 
> Am 27.11.21 um 21:49 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context:
> > Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works
> > only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).
> >
> > You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where
> > this span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM.
> >
> > How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it.
> 
> Now it’s documented:
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate
> 
> Hraban
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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

Ok, did some tests: Now I understand what was meant with the limitation that this only supports single line cells:

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\starttext

% this works
\starttabulate[|l|l|]
\NS[1][c] Manuskript X \NC\NR
\NC foo \NC bar  \NC\NR
\stoptabulate

% this does not work
\starttabulate[|p|p|]
\NS[1][c] Manuskript X \NC\NR
\NC foo \NC bar  \NC\NR
\stoptabulate
\stoptext
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

Changing the column definitions from l,c,r to p breaks it.

Denis

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Denis Maier
> via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 28. November 2021 08:42
> An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) <denis.maier@unibe.ch>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate
> 
> Thanks, Hraban. That's really helpful. I'll have a look at this feature.
> 
> Denis
> 
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Henning
> > Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
> > Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 22:23
> > An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
> > Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>
> > Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Have a cell span multiple columns with
> > tabulate
> >
> > Am 27.11.21 um 21:49 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context:
> > > Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works
> > > only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).
> > >
> > > You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where
> > > this span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM.
> > >
> > > How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it.
> >
> > Now it’s documented:
> > https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate
> >
> > Hraban
> >
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Re: Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 11/28/2021 9:26 AM, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
> Ok, did some tests: Now I understand what was meant with the limitation that this only supports single line cells:
> 
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> \starttext
> 
> % this works
> \starttabulate[|l|l|]
> \NS[1][c] Manuskript X \NC\NR
> \NC foo \NC bar  \NC\NR
> \stoptabulate
> 
> % this does not work
> \starttabulate[|p|p|]
> \NS[1][c] Manuskript X \NC\NR
> \NC foo \NC bar  \NC\NR
> \stoptabulate
> \stoptext
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> 
> Changing the column definitions from l,c,r to p breaks it.
indeed, i check if that can be handled but it's too intrusive (for now) 
so i leave that as limitation

Hans

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