From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/106819 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Christoph =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hinterm=FCller?= Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: xhtml export internal command \dostarttaging modify display and other XML/XHTML attributes Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:11:57 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-w7HSQG1iqGbLAiwPdIMp" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="64061"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Apr 10 18:12:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from zapf.boekplan.nl ([5.39.185.232] helo=zapf.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jMwGV-000GYw-Ly for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FEC183216; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qw3A8jVeWkCX; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1150183220; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A93183216 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:02 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.boekplan.nl Original-Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JVaDdNlGLkt7 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:00 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=149.154.155.240; helo=mail.out-world.com; envelope-from=christoph@out-world.com; receiver= Original-Received: from mail.out-world.com (mail.out-world.com [149.154.155.240]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D33F18307A for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:12:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.out-world.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE6940463 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:11:58 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at out-world.com Original-Received: from mail.out-world.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (phoenix.cavac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B1RU_m8cUPEp for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:11:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (phoenix.cavac.at [149.154.155.240]) by mail.out-world.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A743FF6B for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2020 18:11:57 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Original-Sender: "ntg-context" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.comp.tex.context:106819 Archived-At: --=-w7HSQG1iqGbLAiwPdIMp Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Fri, 2020-04-10 at 16:29 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote: > On 4/10/2020 3:09 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote: > > > > > > > On 10. Apr 2020, at 14:49, Christoph Hintermüller < > > > christoph@out-world.com> wrote: > > > > > Indeed. the exporter is just a reconstructor of content so the > better > structured, the better the export, and the trickier the rendering > the > worse. Also, one can if needed add tags, add attributes etc etc but > don't expect me to keep track of all modules and user stuff and add > export specififcs. Of course I can make some aspects better but i > never > needed epub so far. There is no need to keep track, otherwise the modules and user stuff would be senseless. It is up to them to keep track of their specialities. > > Then, given an export, one can use xslt or whatever, of have one's > own > css as there is no common ground for rendering idiologies. Ever > yuser > wants something different. > he best multi-output stuff comes from good neutral input > and > for instance xml is more suitable for that than tex encoded input. > I'm > currently doing just that: making some css for rather extensive kind > of > free xml based content (mostly because i have nothing better todo > right > now). If the xml is the document source, what for would I need ConTeXt at all? Why not use typesetting system using xml as native format? > > In the end it all boils down to 'does it pay off' in terms of > 'useability', 'neccessity' and 'the fun of it'. We're talking of > free > software so no one can demand something, only request. > I apologize if if missed the proper tone. It was just my frustration, that any attempt to convince the exporter that it should display spaces as are in the inputfile and not remove them. The pdf backend properly keeps it like in typing environment. And the second which increased my frustration more and what i could also not solve by css is that when linenumbers are added later they appear on separate lines and not on the same line as in the pdf output. That is also true for typing environment (see attached) example. Sorry again. > Suggestion for Christoph: look at what Thomas has done for a long > time > now: one input (often quite advanced) and multiple output for > publishing > ane educational purposes. And it looks pretty good too. > Thank you very much i will do. 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