From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/50152 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yanrui Li Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: setuptex changes in minimals Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 19:44:52 +0800 Message-ID: References: <6faad9f00905080419m4c8064biaefd5189bae5aa13@mail.gmail.com> <6faad9f00905081043p1022d147m147c31b8ecddf233@mail.gmail.com> <68bfdc900905081857o4a54af57u65a2f1d14dd244e0@mail.gmail.com> <4A05388F.2010605@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1241869574 6465 80.91.229.12 (9 May 2009 11:46:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:46:14 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sat May 09 13:46:04 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M2l0G-0005Zn-Q0 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 May 2009 13:46:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539D91FE2B; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 09511-01-2; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:45:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E6D1FE38; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:45:13 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCC2D1FE2B for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:45:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05137-03-2 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from filter1-til.mf.surf.net (filter1-til.mf.surf.net [194.171.167.217]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7DF1FE40 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:55 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by filter1-til.mf.surf.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n49Bir6v015319 for ; Sat, 9 May 2009 13:44:54 +0200 Original-Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so1607111rvf.14 for ; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:44:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xSf5sEnxpTY9n7yrWo0qYCy9HH2uy4IuGzx22N841vQ=; b=ZLDUAeN/hZ64/3zA+oE5Xkeyn06KsHE0yhHVVCGcXFkFYanwMmtdNyeynz/OVOai2E KqQ+C03Yw0PdDtxgR6cZcKY70691n9B2MQwgbt8/SAWKvoyzBQKYofjJBUNtA83yIxsR 6tZpTPcPxTWeD5AcTTYlqiz+Hxw8sTxrdnd4k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=A+6829/TJxjzu2UtygNQt7/DkhdFR1iZybd1WL4ww+z2LaOeDtZWwLgGsf526h92u4 0aGVfyLG3bJPwTGU5z83vK/GZSlalguOa8+3Wa32rnPl+xpCwFpg1zFsL4QVGCMI0E+h EPG1IjmiHaN/4CWvF1EjQ4AZye7FcylHtGYWU= Original-Received: by 10.115.111.3 with SMTP id o3mr4172802wam.210.1241869492843; Sat, 09 May 2009 04:44:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A05388F.2010605@wxs.nl> X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: @@RPTN) X-CanIt-Geo: ip=209.85.198.251; country=US; region=CA; city=Mountain View; postalcode=94043; latitude=37.4192; longitude=-122.0574; metrocode=807; areacode=650; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=37.4192,-122.0574&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: uu:ntg-context@ntg.nl (inherits from uu:default, base:default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: 222187425 - c61abfcb681f - 20090509 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 194.171.167.217 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:50152 Archived-At: On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Hans Hagen wrote: > Yue Wang wrote: >> >> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Yanrui Li wrote: >>> >>> Sorry! >>> >>> s/MkIV have not support Chinese typesetting now / MkIV have not >>> support Chinese typesetting well now/g >> >> >> We can start a fork of scrp-* on code.google.com/p/ctex-kit, >> making a usable version, and later ask Hans to merge back into ConTeXt. > > it all depends how scrp evolves as it has to deal with more issues too; i > will not merge code that i don't fully understand but experimenting does not > hurt; one problem with script stuff is that (in the future) it might be > closely cooperate with other mechanisms of context (it used to be part of > the font analyser, now it's plugged in elsewhere but even that might change, > for instance when in upcoming versions of luatex we have a bit more control) > What I have done is only experiment. I will try my best to follow the evolves of the scrp-* files until that day, when MkIV support Chinese typesetting well, comes. I have to introduce MkIV to Chinese users and make them paying close attention to it in this way. > also, some issues will be dealt with in other code in the future (i simply > cannot touch all code at the same time) so don't expect mkiv to be finished > before 2012 (when luatex 1 is ready); it's a stepwise process and it's only > driven by context (i.e. generic code only shows up when context code works > okay); > > anyhow, as long as nobody tells me what the expected behaviour is, with test > code etc i can;t fix anything; one complication (e.g. with chinese) is that > over the last few year is got conflicting requests; now, if there are > multiple ways to deal with it, then i can implement variants but only if i > know the exact conventions (with proper names for them) > Yes. It is a key reson that we are still not familiar with MkIV well now. But with in-depth understanding of MkIV, maybe many suggestions will be post to you. Of course these suggestions should be collected according actual demands by Chinese TeX users group. > for instance when i found out that cjk-korean is not the same as cjk-chinese > (one of them) i split the machinery so we're not talking cjk here, but very > specific needs; after the split i never tested chinese (no samples) and no > one else propbably did that either > > keep in mind that context is not meant for one language but for many and > that when possible mechanisms need to be able to used mixed; there will > never be exclusive solutions for one languages unless it's a very > specialized module > > anyhow, we can best follow the same route as with other language / script > support > > - we need consistent specs, or maybe multiple specs as variants > - as well as test files for each such case > - and then we can look into what can be improved or added > I think that maybe this needs a very long time until CJK users know what each other needs. But three years should be enough :) -- Best wishes, Li Yanrui ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________