register for biblical citations

register for biblical citations

[jbf]

I am wondering if anyone has had to set up a register (index) for 
biblical citations, where the order is not alphabetical but the order of 
the biblical books themselves, so, for example, citations from Genesis 
(e.g. Gen 1:1; Gen 6:4; Ex 15:2; Deut 12:8 etc. etc). I am not at all 
sure how to achieve this.

Julian

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Re: register for biblical citations

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/14/2021 11:16 PM, jbf wrote:
> I am wondering if anyone has had to set up a register (index) for 
> biblical citations, where the order is not alphabetical but the order of 
> the biblical books themselves, so, for example, citations from Genesis 
> (e.g. Gen 1:1; Gen 6:4; Ex 15:2; Deut 12:8 etc. etc). I am not at all 
> sure how to achieve this.
best make some MWE and explain what you expect


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Re: register for biblical citations

[jbf]

My simple MWE:

\defineregister[bibcit]
\setupregister[bibcit][%
indicator=no,
before=]

text... \bibcit[a]{Gen 3:6 (MAC) }Gen 3:6....

(and so one for each Genesis reference, then moving on to Leviticus with 
[b] etc.)


In other words, I have used the key option [] using the alphabet to 
change the order, with Genesis as [a], Exodus [b], Leviticus [c], and so on.

Problem 1: there are 26 letters in the English alphabet. There are many 
more biblical books (OT and NT) than 26, so what do I do when I reach z?

Problem 2: the (MAC) would not normally be required in any biblical 
citation, but in my case it is, as well as (PER), (PRO) and several 
other references. In other words, these indicate where, in  a set of 
documents, the particular citations are to be found. But I think they 
may affect the order of citations, so, for example, I get the following 
results for the first four books of the Bible:

Gen 3:6 (MAC)            120
Gen 4:2-8 (MAC)         123
Gen 39:6-20 (MAG)     127
Gen 17:1 (PES)           137
Gen 18:27 (PES)         140
Gen 28:10-12 (PES)    141
Ex 20:12 (MAG)          129
Lev 6:5-6 (PES)           136
Deut 6:5 (PES)            145
Lam 3:27 (MAG)          129

Notice that Gen 39:6-20 is out of order in terms of chapters and verses. 
It should come after Gen 28:10-12 (PES) but I do not know how to control 
that order. It may be that (MAG), which comes after (MAC) in 
alphabetical terms, is controlling the order, rather than chapter and 
verse which I really want to control the order.

I realise this is complicated, but I'm sure ConTeXt is up to it. I've 
got the basics right for getting at least 26 books in some sort of 
order, but after that??

Julian

On 15/4/21 6:08 pm, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 11:16 PM, jbf wrote:
>> I am wondering if anyone has had to set up a register (index) for 
>> biblical citations, where the order is not alphabetical but the order 
>> of the biblical books themselves, so, for example, citations from 
>> Genesis (e.g. Gen 1:1; Gen 6:4; Ex 15:2; Deut 12:8 etc. etc). I am 
>> not at all sure how to achieve this.
> best make some MWE and explain what you expect
>
>
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Re: register for biblical citations

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/15/2021 11:28 AM, jbf wrote:
> My simple MWE:
> 
> \defineregister[bibcit]
> \setupregister[bibcit][%
> indicator=no,
> before=]
> 
> text... \bibcit[a]{Gen 3:6 (MAC) }Gen 3:6....
> 
> (and so one for each Genesis reference, then moving on to Leviticus with 
> [b] etc.)
> 
> 
> In other words, I have used the key option [] using the alphabet to 
> change the order, with Genesis as [a], Exodus [b], Leviticus [c], and so 
> on.
> 
> Problem 1: there are 26 letters in the English alphabet. There are many 
> more biblical books (OT and NT) than 26, so what do I do when I reach z?
> 
> Problem 2: the (MAC) would not normally be required in any biblical 
> citation, but in my case it is, as well as (PER), (PRO) and several 
> other references. In other words, these indicate where, in  a set of 
> documents, the particular citations are to be found. But I think they 
> may affect the order of citations, so, for example, I get the following 
> results for the first four books of the Bible:
> 
> Gen 3:6 (MAC)            120
> Gen 4:2-8 (MAC)         123
> Gen 39:6-20 (MAG)     127
> Gen 17:1 (PES)           137
> Gen 18:27 (PES)         140
> Gen 28:10-12 (PES)    141
> Ex 20:12 (MAG)          129
> Lev 6:5-6 (PES)           136
> Deut 6:5 (PES)            145
> Lam 3:27 (MAG)          129
> 
> Notice that Gen 39:6-20 is out of order in terms of chapters and verses. 
> It should come after Gen 28:10-12 (PES) but I do not know how to control 
> that order. It may be that (MAG), which comes after (MAC) in 
> alphabetical terms, is controlling the order, rather than chapter and 
> verse which I really want to control the order.
> 
> I realise this is complicated, but I'm sure ConTeXt is up to it. I've 
> got the basics right for getting at least 26 books in some sort of 
> order, but after that??
cheat (crossed fingers that you have enough entries) :

\startluacode
sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
     replacements = {
         { "Gen",  string.char(1) },
         { "Ex",   string.char(2) },
         { "Lev",  string.char(3) },
         { "Deut", string.char(4) },
         { "Lam",  string.char(5) },
     },
}
\stopluacode

\defineregister[bibcit] \setupregister[bibcit][language=biblical,before=]

\starttext

test ... \bibcit{Gen 3:6}
test ... \bibcit{Gen 4:2-8}
test ... \bibcit{Gen 39:6-20}
test ... \bibcit{Gen 17:1}
test ... \bibcit{Gen 18:27}
test ... \bibcit{Gen 28:10-12}
test ... \bibcit{Ex 20:12}
test ... \bibcit{Lev 6:5-6}
test ... \bibcit{Deut 6:5}
test ... \bibcit{Lam 3:27}

\blank[3*big] \placeregister[bibcit]

\stoptext

but is shows that it's not impossible to come up with a solution

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Re: register for biblical citations

[jbf]

Hans, thanks for your ingenious solution but there is still a way to go 
I suspect!

I implemented (copy-paste) precisely the solution offered and I get an 
index but with some strange results ! Notice that in my previous own 
solution (but only as far as 26 books!) I at least got an index in the 
order of the biblical books, but using the luacode you offered, I get a 
seemingly random result (see below).

I extended your example by a few books. so:

\startluacode
sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
     replacements = {
         { "Gen",  string.char(1) },
         { "Ex",   string.char(2) },
         { "Lev",  string.char(3) },
         { "Deut", string.char(4) },
         { "Lam",  string.char(5) },
         { "Dan",  string.char(6) },
         { "Joel",  string.char(7) },
         { "Ps",  string.char(8) },
         { "Prov",  string.char(9) },
         { "Sir",  string.char(10) },
         { "Mt",  string.char(11) },
         { "Mk",  string.char(12) },

     },
}
\stopluacode

But the result I get (just showing you a dozen or so, and you will see 
that Gen doesn't even turn up in this list ... it does, but much later!):

Mk 2:19-20 with parallels (PES) 146
Mt 3:8-10 (PES) 135
Prov 3:11-12 (PES) 139, 172
Sir 4:17-18 (PES) 139
Mt 5:5 (PES) 146
Mt 5:6 (MAC) 123
Mt 5:16 (MAC) 121
Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (MAC) 121
Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (PES) 145
Mt 7:13-14 (PES) 146
Sir 10:9 (PES) 142
Mt 11:12 (PRO) 160
Mt 12:34 (MAC) 124, 137
Mt 12:36 (PES) 134
Mk 12:41-44 (MAC) 122
Sir 17:27 (PES) 142

I have no idea why this is happening. I changed nothing of what you gave 
me and removed anything I had previously. If you need an example of how 
\bibcit is being used in the text, just in case it helps (but I doubt 
it), here is one:

The widow’s mite pleased God because of her good intention, rather than 
the heap of money that the pharisees, urged on by self-love, threw into 
the treasury box (cf.  \bibcit{Mk 12:41-44 (MAC)}Mk 12:41-44).

So, not sure where to go from here. Could I perhaps return to my earlier 
question, which indicated that by using the keyword approach [a] [b] and 
so on, as far as [z] I was at least getting a passable result, but how 
could I continue past [z]? Could I have used [1], [2] etc which would 
allows me to get as far as 66 (if I were to need every biblical book)?

Julian

On 16/4/21 5:24 pm, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 4/15/2021 11:28 AM, jbf wrote:
>> My simple MWE:
>>
>> \defineregister[bibcit]
>> \setupregister[bibcit][%
>> indicator=no,
>> before=]
>>
>> text... \bibcit[a]{Gen 3:6 (MAC) }Gen 3:6....
>>
>> (and so one for each Genesis reference, then moving on to Leviticus 
>> with [b] etc.)
>>
>>
>> In other words, I have used the key option [] using the alphabet to 
>> change the order, with Genesis as [a], Exodus [b], Leviticus [c], and 
>> so on.
>>
>> Problem 1: there are 26 letters in the English alphabet. There are 
>> many more biblical books (OT and NT) than 26, so what do I do when I 
>> reach z?
>>
>> Problem 2: the (MAC) would not normally be required in any biblical 
>> citation, but in my case it is, as well as (PER), (PRO) and several 
>> other references. In other words, these indicate where, in  a set of 
>> documents, the particular citations are to be found. But I think they 
>> may affect the order of citations, so, for example, I get the 
>> following results for the first four books of the Bible:
>>
>> Gen 3:6 (MAC)            120
>> Gen 4:2-8 (MAC)         123
>> Gen 39:6-20 (MAG)     127
>> Gen 17:1 (PES)           137
>> Gen 18:27 (PES)         140
>> Gen 28:10-12 (PES)    141
>> Ex 20:12 (MAG)          129
>> Lev 6:5-6 (PES)           136
>> Deut 6:5 (PES)            145
>> Lam 3:27 (MAG)          129
>>
>> Notice that Gen 39:6-20 is out of order in terms of chapters and 
>> verses. It should come after Gen 28:10-12 (PES) but I do not know how 
>> to control that order. It may be that (MAG), which comes after (MAC) 
>> in alphabetical terms, is controlling the order, rather than chapter 
>> and verse which I really want to control the order.
>>
>> I realise this is complicated, but I'm sure ConTeXt is up to it. I've 
>> got the basics right for getting at least 26 books in some sort of 
>> order, but after that??
> cheat (crossed fingers that you have enough entries) :
>
> \startluacode
> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>     replacements = {
>         { "Gen",  string.char(1) },
>         { "Ex",   string.char(2) },
>         { "Lev",  string.char(3) },
>         { "Deut", string.char(4) },
>         { "Lam",  string.char(5) },
>     },
> }
> \stopluacode
>
> \defineregister[bibcit] \setupregister[bibcit][language=biblical,before=]
>
> \starttext
>
> test ... \bibcit{Gen 3:6}
> test ... \bibcit{Gen 4:2-8}
> test ... \bibcit{Gen 39:6-20}
> test ... \bibcit{Gen 17:1}
> test ... \bibcit{Gen 18:27}
> test ... \bibcit{Gen 28:10-12}
> test ... \bibcit{Ex 20:12}
> test ... \bibcit{Lev 6:5-6}
> test ... \bibcit{Deut 6:5}
> test ... \bibcit{Lam 3:27}
>
> \blank[3*big] \placeregister[bibcit]
>
> \stoptext
>
> but is shows that it's not impossible to come up with a solution
>
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Re: register for biblical citations

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/16/2021 11:47 AM, jbf wrote:
> Hans, thanks for your ingenious solution but there is still a way to go 
> I suspect!
> 
> I implemented (copy-paste) precisely the solution offered and I get an 
> index but with some strange results ! Notice that in my previous own 
> solution (but only as far as 26 books!) I at least got an index in the 
> order of the biblical books, but using the luacode you offered, I get a 
> seemingly random result (see below).
> 
> I extended your example by a few books. so:
> 
> \startluacode
> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>      method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>      replacements = {
>          { "Gen",  string.char(1) },
>          { "Ex",   string.char(2) },
>          { "Lev",  string.char(3) },
>          { "Deut", string.char(4) },
>          { "Lam",  string.char(5) },
>          { "Dan",  string.char(6) },
>          { "Joel",  string.char(7) },
>          { "Ps",  string.char(8) },
>          { "Prov",  string.char(9) },
>          { "Sir",  string.char(10) },
>          { "Mt",  string.char(11) },
>          { "Mk",  string.char(12) },
> 
>      },
> }
> \stopluacode
> 
> But the result I get (just showing you a dozen or so, and you will see 
> that Gen doesn't even turn up in this list ... it does, but much later!):
> 
> Mk 2:19-20 with parallels (PES) 146
> Mt 3:8-10 (PES) 135
> Prov 3:11-12 (PES) 139, 172
> Sir 4:17-18 (PES) 139
> Mt 5:5 (PES) 146
> Mt 5:6 (MAC) 123
> Mt 5:16 (MAC) 121
> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (MAC) 121
> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (PES) 145
> Mt 7:13-14 (PES) 146
> Sir 10:9 (PES) 142
> Mt 11:12 (PRO) 160
> Mt 12:34 (MAC) 124, 137
> Mt 12:36 (PES) 134
> Mk 12:41-44 (MAC) 122
> Sir 17:27 (PES) 142
> 
> I have no idea why this is happening. I changed nothing of what you gave 
> me and removed anything I had previously. If you need an example of how 
> \bibcit is being used in the text, just in case it helps (but I doubt 
> it), here is one:
> 
> The widow’s mite pleased God because of her good intention, rather than 
> the heap of money that the pharisees, urged on by self-love, threw into 
> the treasury box (cf.  \bibcit{Mk 12:41-44 (MAC)}Mk 12:41-44).
> 
> So, not sure where to go from here. Could I perhaps return to my earlier 
> question, which indicated that by using the keyword approach [a] [b] and 
> so on, as far as [z] I was at least getting a passable result, but how 
> could I continue past [z]? Could I have used [1], [2] etc which would 
> allows me to get as far as 66 (if I were to need every biblical book)?
don't set the indicator


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Re: register for biblical citations

[jbf]

There was no mention of the indicator anywhere in what I copied from 
your example. I did try indicator=no just now in case it should be made 
explicit:

(\setupregister[bibcit][language=biblical,before=,indicator=no]

but that makes no difference either. Same result. Seemingly random index.

Julian

On 16/4/21 8:06 pm, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 4/16/2021 11:47 AM, jbf wrote:
>> Hans, thanks for your ingenious solution but there is still a way to 
>> go I suspect!
>>
>> I implemented (copy-paste) precisely the solution offered and I get 
>> an index but with some strange results ! Notice that in my previous 
>> own solution (but only as far as 26 books!) I at least got an index 
>> in the order of the biblical books, but using the luacode you 
>> offered, I get a seemingly random result (see below).
>>
>> I extended your example by a few books. so:
>>
>> \startluacode
>> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>>      method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>>      replacements = {
>>          { "Gen",  string.char(1) },
>>          { "Ex",   string.char(2) },
>>          { "Lev",  string.char(3) },
>>          { "Deut", string.char(4) },
>>          { "Lam",  string.char(5) },
>>          { "Dan",  string.char(6) },
>>          { "Joel",  string.char(7) },
>>          { "Ps",  string.char(8) },
>>          { "Prov",  string.char(9) },
>>          { "Sir",  string.char(10) },
>>          { "Mt",  string.char(11) },
>>          { "Mk",  string.char(12) },
>>
>>      },
>> }
>> \stopluacode
>>
>> But the result I get (just showing you a dozen or so, and you will 
>> see that Gen doesn't even turn up in this list ... it does, but much 
>> later!):
>>
>> Mk 2:19-20 with parallels (PES) 146
>> Mt 3:8-10 (PES) 135
>> Prov 3:11-12 (PES) 139, 172
>> Sir 4:17-18 (PES) 139
>> Mt 5:5 (PES) 146
>> Mt 5:6 (MAC) 123
>> Mt 5:16 (MAC) 121
>> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (MAC) 121
>> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (PES) 145
>> Mt 7:13-14 (PES) 146
>> Sir 10:9 (PES) 142
>> Mt 11:12 (PRO) 160
>> Mt 12:34 (MAC) 124, 137
>> Mt 12:36 (PES) 134
>> Mk 12:41-44 (MAC) 122
>> Sir 17:27 (PES) 142
>>
>> I have no idea why this is happening. I changed nothing of what you 
>> gave me and removed anything I had previously. If you need an example 
>> of how \bibcit is being used in the text, just in case it helps (but 
>> I doubt it), here is one:
>>
>> The widow’s mite pleased God because of her good intention, rather 
>> than the heap of money that the pharisees, urged on by self-love, 
>> threw into the treasury box (cf.  \bibcit{Mk 12:41-44 (MAC)}Mk 
>> 12:41-44).
>>
>> So, not sure where to go from here. Could I perhaps return to my 
>> earlier question, which indicated that by using the keyword approach 
>> [a] [b] and so on, as far as [z] I was at least getting a passable 
>> result, but how could I continue past [z]? Could I have used [1], [2] 
>> etc which would allows me to get as far as 66 (if I were to need 
>> every biblical book)?
> don't set the indicator
>
>
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Re: register for biblical citations

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Am 16.04.2021 um 11:47 schrieb jbf <roma83537@gmail.com>:
> 
> So, not sure where to go from here. Could I perhaps return to my earlier question, which indicated that by using the keyword approach [a] [b] and so on, as far as [z] I was at least getting a passable result, but how could I continue past [z]? Could I have used [1], [2] etc which would allows me to get as far as 66 (if I were to need every biblical book)?

Did you try to use more than one letter as keyword?

Hraban
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Re: register for biblical citations

[r.ermers]

It seems that the items are actually not randomly listed. 

It appears to me that the list is sorted on the chapter number, and then the verse number. The abbreviated book title is not involved in this sorting order, which it should be.

Robert


> Op 16 apr. 2021, om 12:22 heeft jbf <roma83537@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> There was no mention of the indicator anywhere in what I copied from your example. I did try indicator=no just now in case it should be made explicit:
> 
> (\setupregister[bibcit][language=biblical,before=,indicator=no]
> 
> but that makes no difference either. Same result. Seemingly random index.
> 
> Julian
> 
> On 16/4/21 8:06 pm, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 4/16/2021 11:47 AM, jbf wrote:
>>> Hans, thanks for your ingenious solution but there is still a way to go I suspect!
>>> 
>>> I implemented (copy-paste) precisely the solution offered and I get an index but with some strange results ! Notice that in my previous own solution (but only as far as 26 books!) I at least got an index in the order of the biblical books, but using the luacode you offered, I get a seemingly random result (see below).
>>> 
>>> I extended your example by a few books. so:
>>> 
>>> \startluacode
>>> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>>>      method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>>>      replacements = {
>>>          { "Gen",  string.char(1) },
>>>          { "Ex",   string.char(2) },
>>>          { "Lev",  string.char(3) },
>>>          { "Deut", string.char(4) },
>>>          { "Lam",  string.char(5) },
>>>          { "Dan",  string.char(6) },
>>>          { "Joel",  string.char(7) },
>>>          { "Ps",  string.char(8) },
>>>          { "Prov",  string.char(9) },
>>>          { "Sir",  string.char(10) },
>>>          { "Mt",  string.char(11) },
>>>          { "Mk",  string.char(12) },
>>> 
>>>      },
>>> }
>>> \stopluacode
>>> 
>>> But the result I get (just showing you a dozen or so, and you will see that Gen doesn't even turn up in this list ... it does, but much later!):
>>> 
>>> Mk 2:19-20 with parallels (PES) 146
>>> Mt 3:8-10 (PES) 135
>>> Prov 3:11-12 (PES) 139, 172
>>> Sir 4:17-18 (PES) 139
>>> Mt 5:5 (PES) 146
>>> Mt 5:6 (MAC) 123
>>> Mt 5:16 (MAC) 121
>>> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (MAC) 121
>>> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (PES) 145
>>> Mt 7:13-14 (PES) 146
>>> Sir 10:9 (PES) 142
>>> Mt 11:12 (PRO) 160
>>> Mt 12:34 (MAC) 124, 137
>>> Mt 12:36 (PES) 134
>>> Mk 12:41-44 (MAC) 122
>>> Sir 17:27 (PES) 142
>>> 
>>> I have no idea why this is happening. I changed nothing of what you gave me and removed anything I had previously. If you need an example of how \bibcit is being used in the text, just in case it helps (but I doubt it), here is one:
>>> 
>>> The widow’s mite pleased God because of her good intention, rather than the heap of money that the pharisees, urged on by self-love, threw into the treasury box (cf.  \bibcit{Mk 12:41-44 (MAC)}Mk 12:41-44).
>>> 
>>> So, not sure where to go from here. Could I perhaps return to my earlier question, which indicated that by using the keyword approach [a] [b] and so on, as far as [z] I was at least getting a passable result, but how could I continue past [z]? Could I have used [1], [2] etc which would allows me to get as far as 66 (if I were to need every biblical book)?
>> don't set the indicator
>> 
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Re: register for biblical citations

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/16/2021 12:22 PM, jbf wrote:
> There was no mention of the indicator anywhere in what I copied from 
> your example. I did try indicator=no just now in case it should be made 
> explicit:
You use a couple of chartacters that will be filtered (crlf and so). Try 
weird ones, like:

sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
     replacements = {
         { "Gen",  "\\x01\\x01" },
         { "Ex",   "\\x01\\x02" },
         { "Lev",  "\\x01\\x03" },
         { "Deut", "\\x01\\x04" },
         { "Lam",  "\\x01\\x05" },
         { "Dan",  "\\x01\\x06" },
         { "Joel", "\\x02\\x01" },
         { "Ps",   "\\x02\\x02" },
         { "Prov", "\\x02\\x03" },
         { "Sir",  "\\x02\\x04" },
         { "Mt",   "\\x02\\x05" },
         { "Mk",   "\\x02\\x06" },
     },
}

or better, take a harmless unicode sequence

sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
     replacements = {
         { "Gen",  utf.char(0xFF01) },
         { "Ex",   utf.char(0xFF02) },
         { "Lev",  utf.char(0xFF03) },
         { "Deut", utf.char(0xFF04) },
         { "Lam",  utf.char(0xFF05) },
         { "Dan",  utf.char(0xFF06) },
         { "Joel", utf.char(0xFF07) },
         { "Ps",   utf.char(0xFF08) },
         { "Prov", utf.char(0xFF09) },
         { "Sir",  utf.char(0xFF0A) },
         { "Mt",   utf.char(0xFF0B) },
         { "Mk",   utf.char(0xFF0C) },
     },
}

Hans




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Re: register for biblical citations

[jbf]

You are correct on both counts; it is not quite random (just not what I 
was looking for😁 ) and yes, the abbreviated book title needs to be in 
the mix as well, just in case it also ends up throwing things out. But, 
as you can see subsequently, each contribution is making things clearer 
(for me, not so accustomed to working with Lua code) and I have every 
confidence we will work this one out. For almost anyone using ConTeXt 
for preparing a book that includes such an index, and I believe it is 
normal for biblical citations to be listed according to biblical book 
order, at least, this is the author's request in my case, the ultimate 
solution will benefit such people in the future.

Julian

On 16/4/21 8:57 pm, r.ermers@hccnet.nl wrote:
> It seems that the items are actually not randomly listed.
>
> It appears to me that the list is sorted on the chapter number, and then the verse number. The abbreviated book title is not involved in this sorting order, which it should be.
>
> Robert
>
>
>> Op 16 apr. 2021, om 12:22 heeft jbf <roma83537@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> There was no mention of the indicator anywhere in what I copied from your example. I did try indicator=no just now in case it should be made explicit:
>>
>> (\setupregister[bibcit][language=biblical,before=,indicator=no]
>>
>> but that makes no difference either. Same result. Seemingly random index.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> On 16/4/21 8:06 pm, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>> On 4/16/2021 11:47 AM, jbf wrote:
>>>> Hans, thanks for your ingenious solution but there is still a way to go I suspect!
>>>>
>>>> I implemented (copy-paste) precisely the solution offered and I get an index but with some strange results ! Notice that in my previous own solution (but only as far as 26 books!) I at least got an index in the order of the biblical books, but using the luacode you offered, I get a seemingly random result (see below).
>>>>
>>>> I extended your example by a few books. so:
>>>>
>>>> \startluacode
>>>> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>>>>       method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>>>>       replacements = {
>>>>           { "Gen",  string.char(1) },
>>>>           { "Ex",   string.char(2) },
>>>>           { "Lev",  string.char(3) },
>>>>           { "Deut", string.char(4) },
>>>>           { "Lam",  string.char(5) },
>>>>           { "Dan",  string.char(6) },
>>>>           { "Joel",  string.char(7) },
>>>>           { "Ps",  string.char(8) },
>>>>           { "Prov",  string.char(9) },
>>>>           { "Sir",  string.char(10) },
>>>>           { "Mt",  string.char(11) },
>>>>           { "Mk",  string.char(12) },
>>>>
>>>>       },
>>>> }
>>>> \stopluacode
>>>>
>>>> But the result I get (just showing you a dozen or so, and you will see that Gen doesn't even turn up in this list ... it does, but much later!):
>>>>
>>>> Mk 2:19-20 with parallels (PES) 146
>>>> Mt 3:8-10 (PES) 135
>>>> Prov 3:11-12 (PES) 139, 172
>>>> Sir 4:17-18 (PES) 139
>>>> Mt 5:5 (PES) 146
>>>> Mt 5:6 (MAC) 123
>>>> Mt 5:16 (MAC) 121
>>>> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (MAC) 121
>>>> Mt 6:1-6, 16-18 (PES) 145
>>>> Mt 7:13-14 (PES) 146
>>>> Sir 10:9 (PES) 142
>>>> Mt 11:12 (PRO) 160
>>>> Mt 12:34 (MAC) 124, 137
>>>> Mt 12:36 (PES) 134
>>>> Mk 12:41-44 (MAC) 122
>>>> Sir 17:27 (PES) 142
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea why this is happening. I changed nothing of what you gave me and removed anything I had previously. If you need an example of how \bibcit is being used in the text, just in case it helps (but I doubt it), here is one:
>>>>
>>>> The widow’s mite pleased God because of her good intention, rather than the heap of money that the pharisees, urged on by self-love, threw into the treasury box (cf.  \bibcit{Mk 12:41-44 (MAC)}Mk 12:41-44).
>>>>
>>>> So, not sure where to go from here. Could I perhaps return to my earlier question, which indicated that by using the keyword approach [a] [b] and so on, as far as [z] I was at least getting a passable result, but how could I continue past [z]? Could I have used [1], [2] etc which would allows me to get as far as 66 (if I were to need every biblical book)?
>>> don't set the indicator
>>>
>>>
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Re: register for biblical citations

[jbf]

I did, actually. But maybe I can play with that a bit further. My first 
attempt at doing that was unsuccessful (when I got to 'z' I thought I 
might be able to then go 'za' etc). I'll keep playing, but Hans' luacode 
approach might ultimately be the solution for me. He's given me the 
principles; it's up to me to get them right!

Julian

On 16/4/21 8:54 pm, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Am 16.04.2021 um 11:47 schrieb jbf <roma83537@gmail.com>:
>>
>> So, not sure where to go from here. Could I perhaps return to my earlier question, which indicated that by using the keyword approach [a] [b] and so on, as far as [z] I was at least getting a passable result, but how could I continue past [z]? Could I have used [1], [2] etc which would allows me to get as far as 66 (if I were to need every biblical book)?
> Did you try to use more than one letter as keyword?
>
> Hraban
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Re: register for biblical citations

[jbf]

Okay, that's all clear enough. Thank you. I'll keep working at it.

Julian

On 16/4/21 11:08 pm, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 4/16/2021 12:22 PM, jbf wrote:
>> There was no mention of the indicator anywhere in what I copied from 
>> your example. I did try indicator=no just now in case it should be 
>> made explicit:
> You use a couple of chartacters that will be filtered (crlf and so). 
> Try weird ones, like:
>
> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>     replacements = {
>         { "Gen",  "\\x01\\x01" },
>         { "Ex",   "\\x01\\x02" },
>         { "Lev",  "\\x01\\x03" },
>         { "Deut", "\\x01\\x04" },
>         { "Lam",  "\\x01\\x05" },
>         { "Dan",  "\\x01\\x06" },
>         { "Joel", "\\x02\\x01" },
>         { "Ps",   "\\x02\\x02" },
>         { "Prov", "\\x02\\x03" },
>         { "Sir",  "\\x02\\x04" },
>         { "Mt",   "\\x02\\x05" },
>         { "Mk",   "\\x02\\x06" },
>     },
> }
>
> or better, take a harmless unicode sequence
>
> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>     replacements = {
>         { "Gen",  utf.char(0xFF01) },
>         { "Ex",   utf.char(0xFF02) },
>         { "Lev",  utf.char(0xFF03) },
>         { "Deut", utf.char(0xFF04) },
>         { "Lam",  utf.char(0xFF05) },
>         { "Dan",  utf.char(0xFF06) },
>         { "Joel", utf.char(0xFF07) },
>         { "Ps",   utf.char(0xFF08) },
>         { "Prov", utf.char(0xFF09) },
>         { "Sir",  utf.char(0xFF0A) },
>         { "Mt",   utf.char(0xFF0B) },
>         { "Mk",   utf.char(0xFF0C) },
>     },
> }
>
> Hans
>
>
>
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Re: register for biblical citations

[jbf]

You will be happy to know that this works perfectly, and naturally I 
extended the pattern to cover another 30 books or so. I don't 
necessarily understand the Lua code, but I did take the trouble to look 
through sort-ini.lua to get some kind of idea of what was happening and 
basically to understand where you were getting things like: sorters and 
interfaces.variables.before from. At least I could see that much!

Thank you Hans,

Julian

On 16/4/21 11:08 pm, Hans Hagen wrote:

> sorters.definitions["biblical"] = {
>     method  = interfaces.variables.before,
>     replacements = {
>         { "Gen",  utf.char(0xFF01) },
>         { "Ex",   utf.char(0xFF02) },
>         { "Lev",  utf.char(0xFF03) },
>         { "Deut", utf.char(0xFF04) },
>         { "Lam",  utf.char(0xFF05) },
>         { "Dan",  utf.char(0xFF06) },
>         { "Joel", utf.char(0xFF07) },
>         { "Ps",   utf.char(0xFF08) },
>         { "Prov", utf.char(0xFF09) },
>         { "Sir",  utf.char(0xFF0A) },
>         { "Mt",   utf.char(0xFF0B) },
>         { "Mk",   utf.char(0xFF0C) },
>     },
> } 
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Re: register for biblical citations

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/17/2021 7:04 AM, jbf wrote:

> necessarily understand the Lua code, but I did take the trouble to look 

As with many such features, indeed we use lua but most of the concepts 
originate in by now decades old mkii. These replacement tricks that can 
drive sorting actually come from there. But the fact that we have 
unicode makes it a bit easier and less hacky.

Anyway, when you have things working, we can decide to add some extra 
vectors and theh i'll see if we can be a bit more clever.

Btw, a side effect of these tricks is that

Gen 4, Ex 5, Mt 4
Gen 4, Gen 5, Ex 4

also sorts cf the biblical book order,

Hans


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