* memoir-style chapter heading @ 2020-08-17 4:45 jbf 2020-08-17 6:54 ` Aditya Mahajan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: jbf @ 2020-08-17 4:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would need to use Metafun to create this... So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect without Metafun? I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples. Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the frame borders). Am I at least correct about this? Julian ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: memoir-style chapter heading 2020-08-17 4:45 memoir-style chapter heading jbf @ 2020-08-17 6:54 ` Aditya Mahajan 2020-08-17 22:46 ` jbf 2020-08-17 23:18 ` jbf 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2020-08-17 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote: > Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use > to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title > overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would > need to use Metafun to create this... > > So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect > without Metafun? > > I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how > to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me > to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples. > > Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the > manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could > not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had > some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to > \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the > frame borders). Am I at least correct about this? You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude implementation: \setuphead[chapter] [ numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, numbercolor=gray, alternative=command, command=\MemoirChapter, ] \define[2]\MemoirChapter% {\startoverlay {#1} {#2} \stopoverlay} \starttext \startchapter[title={This is a test}] \stopchapter \stoptext Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is useful if you need absolute positioning. Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: memoir-style chapter heading 2020-08-17 6:54 ` Aditya Mahajan @ 2020-08-17 22:46 ` jbf 2020-08-17 23:18 ` jbf 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: jbf @ 2020-08-17 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aditya Mahajan; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Thanks Aditya. The 'quick and simple' explanation below helps me to grasp some concepts I had not been clear about earlier. While you say that overlays 'don't allow tuning' for positioning, is this only in terms of absolute positioning? It would be so helpful if we could get at least a middle or right alignment with this simple approach. I have read the 'Details' approach you have indicated, though am still to get my head around it. Understanding overlays is one thing. Understanding layers yet another. Julian On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote: > >> Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use >> to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title >> overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would >> need to use Metafun to create this... >> >> So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect >> without Metafun? >> >> I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how >> to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me >> to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples. >> >> Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the >> manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could >> not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had >> some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to >> \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the >> frame borders). Am I at least correct about this? > You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude implementation: > > \setuphead[chapter] > [ > numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, > numbercolor=gray, > alternative=command, > command=\MemoirChapter, > ] > > \define[2]\MemoirChapter% > {\startoverlay > {#1} > {#2} > \stopoverlay} > > > \starttext > \startchapter[title={This is a test}] > \stopchapter > > \stoptext > > Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is useful if you need absolute positioning. > > Aditya > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: memoir-style chapter heading 2020-08-17 6:54 ` Aditya Mahajan 2020-08-17 22:46 ` jbf @ 2020-08-17 23:18 ` jbf 2020-08-18 8:45 ` Otared Kavian 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: jbf @ 2020-08-17 23:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aditya Mahajan; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users I meant to include an example of what I mean, since at least it seems to work (am including just the definition part of your example), So at least I can get middle and right alignment. \define[2]\MemoirChapter {\midaligned{\startoverlay {#1} {#2} \stopoverlay}} Julian On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote: > >> Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use >> to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title >> overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would >> need to use Metafun to create this... >> >> So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect >> without Metafun? >> >> I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how >> to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me >> to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples. >> >> Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the >> manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could >> not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had >> some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to >> \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the >> frame borders). Am I at least correct about this? > You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude implementation: > > \setuphead[chapter] > [ > numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, > numbercolor=gray, > alternative=command, > command=\MemoirChapter, > ] > > \define[2]\MemoirChapter% > {\startoverlay > {#1} > {#2} > \stopoverlay} > > > \starttext > \startchapter[title={This is a test}] > \stopchapter > > \stoptext > > Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is useful if you need absolute positioning. > > Aditya > > > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: memoir-style chapter heading 2020-08-17 23:18 ` jbf @ 2020-08-18 8:45 ` Otared Kavian [not found] ` <9abfe34b-0465-8f79-b3d8-9c896c74c557@gmail.com> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Otared Kavian @ 2020-08-18 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi Julian, Indeed you can modify slightly what Aditya said to obtain what you want: you can put the overlay into a framed environment as in the following example. Though, to my taste the number is a little bit too low… %% begin example \setuppagenumbering[state=start,location=footer] \setuphead[chapter] [ numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, numbercolor=gray, alternative=command, command=\MemoirChapter, ] \define[2]\MemoirChapter {\framed[frame=off,width=broad,align=middle] {\startoverlay {#1} {#2} \stopoverlay} } \starttext \startchapter[title={This is a test}] \input knuth.tex \stopchapter \stoptext %% end example Best regards: Otared > On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:18, jbf <roma83537@gmail.com> wrote: > > I meant to include an example of what I mean, since at least it seems to work (am including just the definition part of your example), So at least I can get middle and right alignment. > > \define[2]\MemoirChapter > {\midaligned{\startoverlay > {#1} > {#2} > \stopoverlay}} > > Julian > > On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote: >> >>> Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use >>> to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title >>> overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would >>> need to use Metafun to create this... >>> >>> So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect >>> without Metafun? >>> >>> I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how >>> to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me >>> to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples. >>> >>> Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the >>> manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could >>> not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had >>> some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to >>> \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the >>> frame borders). Am I at least correct about this? >> You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude implementation: >> >> \setuphead[chapter] >> [ >> numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, >> numbercolor=gray, >> alternative=command, >> command=\MemoirChapter, >> ] >> >> \define[2]\MemoirChapter% >> {\startoverlay >> {#1} >> {#2} >> \stopoverlay} >> >> \starttext >> \startchapter[title={This is a test}] >> \stopchapter >> >> \stoptext >> >> Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is useful if you need absolute positioning. >> >> Aditya >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >> >> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >> ___________________________________________________________________________________ > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net > archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: memoir-style chapter heading [not found] ` <E3DF7E44-12A5-48BC-9E8A-29F02A4DF7EC@gmail.com> @ 2020-08-18 22:58 ` jbf 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: jbf @ 2020-08-18 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Otared Kavian; +Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Thank you Otared. The power of ConTeXt never ceases to amaze me, though despite the excellent work done on the wiki recently, it is the little things like the use of \raise that could be better described, especially in a range of applied instances. We find it, combined with hbox, in reference to marginal and centered headers, but it is not intuitive - for me at least - to be able to apply it as you have done in your example. The little process we have gone through, which is step-by-step, is most helpful, and I feel that I can now use these ideas in other instances and in slightly different ways. Thank you. How important is the 'lohi' addition you made to \framed? I removed it to see what would happen and did not notice any appreciable difference in the output. Julian On 18/8/20 11:19 pm, Otared Kavian wrote: > Hi Julian, > > Actually one can tweak more or less the height at which the chapter number appears: below is an example in which one uses \raise and \hbox. > > \setuppagenumbering[state=start,location=footer] > \setuphead[chapter] > [ > % numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, > numbercolor=gray, > alternative=command, > command=\MemoirChapter, > ] > > %\define[2]\MemoirChapter > % {\startoverlay > % {#1} > % {#2} > % \stopoverlay} > > > \define[2]\MemoirChapter > {\framed[frame=off,width=broad,align={middle,lohi}] > {\startoverlay > {\raise1.5ex\hbox{\switchtobodyfont[48pt]#1}} > {#2} > \stopoverlay} > } > > \starttext > \startchapter[title={This is a test},ownnumber=1234] > \input knuth.tex > > \stopchapter > > \stoptext > > Best regards: Otared > >> On 18 Aug 2020, at 11:47, jbf <roma83537@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Thanks Otared - and whether using the earlier example (Aditya's with my minor 'centering' adjustment)) or yours, I agree - the number is just a bit too low, and of course, using this method we probably can't make adjustments to that. So ultimately it looks like I'll have to get my skills up to working with layers as well as overlays, where minute adjustments of the kind can be made. But wouldn't it be great if we could just do a bit of vertical adjustment in the overlay! >> >> Julian >> >> On 18/8/20 6:45 pm, Otared Kavian wrote: >>> Hi Julian, >>> >>> Indeed you can modify slightly what Aditya said to obtain what you want: you can put the overlay into a framed environment as in the following example. Though, to my taste the number is a little bit too low… >>> >>> %% begin example >>> \setuppagenumbering[state=start,location=footer] >>> \setuphead[chapter] >>> [ >>> numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, >>> numbercolor=gray, >>> alternative=command, >>> command=\MemoirChapter, >>> ] >>> >>> \define[2]\MemoirChapter >>> {\framed[frame=off,width=broad,align=middle] >>> {\startoverlay >>> {#1} >>> {#2} >>> \stopoverlay} >>> } >>> >>> \starttext >>> \startchapter[title={This is a test}] >>> \input knuth.tex >>> >>> \stopchapter >>> >>> \stoptext >>> %% end example >>> >>> Best regards: Otared >>> >>>> On 18 Aug 2020, at 01:18, jbf <roma83537@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I meant to include an example of what I mean, since at least it seems to work (am including just the definition part of your example), So at least I can get middle and right alignment. >>>> >>>> \define[2]\MemoirChapter >>>> {\midaligned{\startoverlay >>>> {#1} >>>> {#2} >>>> \stopoverlay}} >>>> >>>> Julian >>>> >>>> On 17/8/20 4:54 pm, Aditya Mahajan wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2020, jbf wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am completely new to using Metafun, which I presume I would need to use >>>>>> to achieve a Hansen Memoir-style Chapter heading (chapter title >>>>>> overlayed on a large lightgray number). Of course, I am assuming I would >>>>>> need to use Metafun to create this... >>>>>> >>>>>> So my first question is to ask if I could achieve the same effect >>>>>> without Metafun? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have read through the Metafun manual, and I think I can understand how >>>>>> to overlay text on a graphic (MP), but it would be currently beyond me >>>>>> to draw numbers of the kind we find in, say, the Memoir examples. >>>>>> >>>>>> Has anyone created such an example? I was keenly looking for one in the >>>>>> manual and elsewhere, in terms of ConTeXt/Metafun commands, but could >>>>>> not find one. But I'd be quite prepared to 'have a go' at this, if I had >>>>>> some pointers of just where to start! I assume I would have to >>>>>> \defineoverlay[number] and then add text on top \framed (but without the >>>>>> frame borders). Am I at least correct about this? >>>>> You don't need metafun for something this simple. Here is a crude implementation: >>>>> >>>>> \setuphead[chapter] >>>>> [ >>>>> numberstyle={\switchtobodyfont[48pt]}, >>>>> numbercolor=gray, >>>>> alternative=command, >>>>> command=\MemoirChapter, >>>>> ] >>>>> >>>>> \define[2]\MemoirChapter% >>>>> {\startoverlay >>>>> {#1} >>>>> {#2} >>>>> \stopoverlay} >>>>> \starttext >>>>> \startchapter[title={This is a test}] >>>>> \stopchapter >>>>> >>>>> \stoptext >>>>> >>>>> Overlays don't allow tuning the location...for that you need layers. See the chapter on ornaments in the details manual, which also explains an alternative method to set title of chapters (toward the end of that chapter), which is useful if you need absolute positioning. >>>>> >>>>> Aditya >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >>>>> >>>>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>>>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>>>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>>>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >>>> >>>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ >>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! >>> >>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net >>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ >>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net >>> ___________________________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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