[NTG-context] Problem with tabulate

[NTG-context] Problem with tabulate

[Thomas Meyer]

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Hi Guys,

I am trying out the following environment:

\starttabulate[p(5mm)p(5mm)]
\HL
\NS[1][c] Wurfstärke R / H \NC\NR
\NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
\HL
\stoptabulate

These are the columns of a larger table that cause problems.
P() and \NS do not work together. But also

\starttabulate[cc]
\HL
\NS[1][c] WurfstärkeR / H \NC\NR
\NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
\HL
\stoptabulate

does not provide the desired result.

Ideally, “R / H” should be under “Wurfstärke”, i.e. there should be a 
line break. (\\ doesn't work) Both in a combined cell.
Then the numbers below should be centered in their separate cells.
Something like this:

  Wurfstärke
      R / H
      3    2

How can this be achieved?
I am grateful for any advice.

Greetings
Thomas


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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with tabulate

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Thomas Meyer schrieb am 11.11.2024 um 12:35:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I am trying out the following environment:
> 
> \starttabulate[p(5mm)p(5mm)]
> \HL
> \NS[1][c] Wurfstärke R / H \NC\NR
> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
> \HL
> \stoptabulate
> 
> These are the columns of a larger table that cause problems.
> P() and \NS do not work together. But also
> 
> \starttabulate[cc]
> \HL
> \NS[1][c] WurfstärkeR / H \NC\NR
> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
> \HL
> \stoptabulate
> 
> does not provide the desired result.
> 
> Ideally, “R / H” should be under “Wurfstärke”, i.e. there should be a 
> line break. (\\ doesn't work) Both in a combined cell.
> Then the numbers below should be centered in their separate cells.
> Something like this:
> 
>   Wurfstärke
>       R / H
>       3    2
> 
> How can this be achieved?
> I am grateful for any advice.

Use a different table type.

\starttext

\start
\setupTABLE[start][frame=off,width=11mm,align=middle,offset=0pt]
\setupTABLE[row][first][topframe=on]
\setupTABLE[row][last][bottomframe=on]
\startTABLE
\NC[nc=2] Wurfstärke\\ R / H \NC\NR
\NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
\stopTABLE
\stop

\blank

\startframed[frame=off,topframe=on,bottomframe=on,align=middle]
   Wurfstärke\\
   R / H\\
   2\quad 3
\stopframed

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with tabulate

[Thomas Meyer]

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Hi Wolfgang,

thank you very much for your help.
I really don't understand the information behind
\setupTABLE
but unfortunately I can't find anything in the Wiki either. It only says 
something about \bTABLE ...
Where can I find something about this?
The NaturalTables.pdf listed at 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview under TABLES in the 
document footnote probably no longer exists.
Greetings
Thomas



Am 11.11.24 um 23:52 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> Thomas Meyer schrieb am 11.11.2024 um 12:35:
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I am trying out the following environment:
>>
>> \starttabulate[p(5mm)p(5mm)]
>> \HL
>> \NS[1][c] Wurfstärke R / H \NC\NR
>> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
>> \HL
>> \stoptabulate
>>
>> These are the columns of a larger table that cause problems.
>> P() and \NS do not work together. But also
>>
>> \starttabulate[cc]
>> \HL
>> \NS[1][c] WurfstärkeR / H \NC\NR
>> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
>> \HL
>> \stoptabulate
>>
>> does not provide the desired result.
>>
>> Ideally, “R / H” should be under “Wurfstärke”, i.e. there should be a 
>> line break. (\\ doesn't work) Both in a combined cell.
>> Then the numbers below should be centered in their separate cells.
>> Something like this:
>>
>>   Wurfstärke
>>       R / H
>>       3    2
>>
>> How can this be achieved?
>> I am grateful for any advice.
>
> Use a different table type.
>
> \starttext
>
> \start
> \setupTABLE[start][frame=off,width=11mm,align=middle,offset=0pt]
> \setupTABLE[row][first][topframe=on]
> \setupTABLE[row][last][bottomframe=on]
> \startTABLE
> \NC[nc=2] Wurfstärke\\ R / H \NC\NR
> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
> \stopTABLE
> \stop
>
> \blank
>
> \startframed[frame=off,topframe=on,bottomframe=on,align=middle]
>   Wurfstärke\\
>   R / H\\
>   2\quad 3
> \stopframed
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with tabulate

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 13.11.24 um 10:33 schrieb Thomas Meyer:
> I really don't understand the information behind
> \setupTABLE

What’s missing in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupTABLE ?

> but unfortunately I can't find anything in the Wiki either. It only says 
> something about \bTABLE ...
> Where can I find something about this?

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/TABLE

> The NaturalTables.pdf listed at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/ 
> Tables_Overview under TABLES in the document footnote probably no longer 
> exists.

Apparently not.
"enattab" is now "examples-naturaltables".

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with tabulate

[Thomas Meyer]

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Hi Hraban,

Wolfgangs example

\start
\setupTABLE[start][frame=off,width=11mm,align=middle,offset=0pt]
\setupTABLE[row][first][topframe=on]
\setupTABLE[row][last][bottomframe=on]
\startTABLE
\NC[nc=2] Wurfstärke\\ R / H \NC\NR
\NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
\stopTABLE
\stop

seems to be a mixture of
\starttabulate
\NC \NC \NC\NR ...

and
\setupTABLE
\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD ...

For that what Wolfgang wrote I found nothing in the wiki.
No explanation for \start nor width nor the mixture(?) above ...
Perhaps Wolfgang can also comment on that.

Greetings
Thomas


Am 13.11.24 um 11:06 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Am 13.11.24 um 10:33 schrieb Thomas Meyer:
>> I really don't understand the information behind
>> \setupTABLE
>
> What’s missing in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupTABLE ?
>
>> but unfortunately I can't find anything in the Wiki either. It only 
>> says something about \bTABLE ...
>> Where can I find something about this?
>
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/TABLE
>
>> The NaturalTables.pdf listed at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/ 
>> Tables_Overview under TABLES in the document footnote probably no 
>> longer exists.
>
> Apparently not.
> "enattab" is now "examples-naturaltables".
>
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with tabulate

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 14.11.24 um 12:02 schrieb Thomas Meyer:
> Hi Hraban,
> 
> Wolfgangs example
> 
> \start
> \setupTABLE[start][frame=off,width=11mm,align=middle,offset=0pt]
> \setupTABLE[row][first][topframe=on]
> \setupTABLE[row][last][bottomframe=on]
> \startTABLE
> \NC[nc=2] Wurfstärke\\ R / H \NC\NR
> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
> \stopTABLE
> \stop
> 
> seems to be a mixture of
> \starttabulate
> \NC \NC \NC\NR ...
> 
> and
> \setupTABLE
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD ...

Ah, sorry. Maybe that’s really undocumented.

Either use \bTABLE with \bTR\bTD
or \startTABLE with the commands from \starttabulate (probably not all 
of them work, I didn’t check).

The latter is easier, but has less options (at the commands).
You can still use \setupTABLE with its many options.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with tabulate

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Thomas Meyer schrieb am 14.11.2024 um 12:02:
> Hi Hraban,
>
> Wolfgangs example
>
> \start
> \setupTABLE[start][frame=off,width=11mm,align=middle,offset=0pt]
> \setupTABLE[row][first][topframe=on]
> \setupTABLE[row][last][bottomframe=on]
> \startTABLE
> \NC[nc=2] Wurfstärke\\ R / H \NC\NR
> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
> \stopTABLE
> \stop
>
> seems to be a mixture of
> \starttabulate
> \NC \NC \NC\NR ...
>
> and
> \setupTABLE
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD ...
>
> For that what Wolfgang wrote I found nothing in the wiki.
> No explanation for \start nor width nor the mixture(?) above ...
> Perhaps Wolfgang can also comment on that.

1. \startTABLE

The \startTABLE environment I used in my example is just a wrapper for 
\bTABLE which saves typing for short/small tables.

In the following example both tables produce the same results because 
the first table is converted into the code used by the second table.

%%%% begin example
\starttext

\startTABLE
\NC table content \NC\NR
\stopTABLE

\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD table content \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\stoptext
%%%% end example


2. Table settings

When you use the \bTABLE environment each cell is a \framed block where 
you can set the width or height, framecolor etc.

%%%% begin example
\starttext

\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD[width=2cm,height=2cm,framecolor=red,align={middle,lohi}] table 
content \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\startframed[width=2cm,height=2cm,framecolor=red,align={middle,lohi}] 
table content \stopframed

\stoptext
%%%% end example


3. \setupTABLE

With the \setupTABLE command you can change the values which are used to 
format the cells of the table.

With the first two optional arguments you can control whether settings 
are applied only to certain table rows or columns but also for certain 
cells (e.g. row 3 column 2).

%%%% begin example
\starttext

\setupTABLE[framecolor=red]

\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\stoptext
%%%% end example


4. \start

When you use the \setupTABLE command like shown below the settings are 
applied to all the following tables.

%%%% begin example
\starttext

\setupTABLE[framecolor=red]

\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD second table \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\stoptext
%%%% end example

To ensure the new color for the frame is only applied to the first table 
add \start before you change the value with \setupTABLE and \stop after 
the table.

When you do this you create a local group where the changed frame color 
is kept local to the group.

%%%% begin example
\starttext

\start
\setupTABLE[framecolor=red]
\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\stop

\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD second table \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\stoptext
%%%% end example

When you have multiple tables with the same style you don't want to 
change the table values each time by hand.

The method of choice here is to collect all changes to the table layout 
in a \startsetups block (the argument is just a name for the block) and 
load it afterwards at the start of the table with the setups key.

%%%% begin example
\starttext

\startsetups [redtableframe]
\setupTABLE[framecolor=red]
\stopsetups

\bTABLE[setups=redtableframe]
\bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD second table \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE

\stoptext
%%%% end example

Wolfgang


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[NTG-context] Re: Problem with tabulate

[Thomas Meyer]

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Thank you Hraban and
many thanks Wolfgang,
for your detailed explanations!

Greetings
Thomas


Am 14.11.24 um 20:13 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
> Thomas Meyer schrieb am 14.11.2024 um 12:02:
>> Hi Hraban,
>>
>> Wolfgangs example
>>
>> \start
>> \setupTABLE[start][frame=off,width=11mm,align=middle,offset=0pt]
>> \setupTABLE[row][first][topframe=on]
>> \setupTABLE[row][last][bottomframe=on]
>> \startTABLE
>> \NC[nc=2] Wurfstärke\\ R / H \NC\NR
>> \NC 2 \NC 3 \NC\NR
>> \stopTABLE
>> \stop
>>
>> seems to be a mixture of
>> \starttabulate
>> \NC \NC \NC\NR ...
>>
>> and
>> \setupTABLE
>> \bTABLE
>> \bTR \bTD ...
>>
>> For that what Wolfgang wrote I found nothing in the wiki.
>> No explanation for \start nor width nor the mixture(?) above ...
>> Perhaps Wolfgang can also comment on that.
>
> 1. \startTABLE
>
> The \startTABLE environment I used in my example is just a wrapper for 
> \bTABLE which saves typing for short/small tables.
>
> In the following example both tables produce the same results because 
> the first table is converted into the code used by the second table.
>
> %%%% begin example
> \starttext
>
> \startTABLE
> \NC table content \NC\NR
> \stopTABLE
>
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD table content \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \stoptext
> %%%% end example
>
>
> 2. Table settings
>
> When you use the \bTABLE environment each cell is a \framed block 
> where you can set the width or height, framecolor etc.
>
> %%%% begin example
> \starttext
>
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD[width=2cm,height=2cm,framecolor=red,align={middle,lohi}] 
> table content \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \startframed[width=2cm,height=2cm,framecolor=red,align={middle,lohi}] 
> table content \stopframed
>
> \stoptext
> %%%% end example
>
>
> 3. \setupTABLE
>
> With the \setupTABLE command you can change the values which are used 
> to format the cells of the table.
>
> With the first two optional arguments you can control whether settings 
> are applied only to certain table rows or columns but also for certain 
> cells (e.g. row 3 column 2).
>
> %%%% begin example
> \starttext
>
> \setupTABLE[framecolor=red]
>
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \stoptext
> %%%% end example
>
>
> 4. \start
>
> When you use the \setupTABLE command like shown below the settings are 
> applied to all the following tables.
>
> %%%% begin example
> \starttext
>
> \setupTABLE[framecolor=red]
>
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD second table \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \stoptext
> %%%% end example
>
> To ensure the new color for the frame is only applied to the first 
> table add \start before you change the value with \setupTABLE and 
> \stop after the table.
>
> When you do this you create a local group where the changed frame 
> color is kept local to the group.
>
> %%%% begin example
> \starttext
>
> \start
> \setupTABLE[framecolor=red]
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
> \stop
>
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD second table \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \stoptext
> %%%% end example
>
> When you have multiple tables with the same style you don't want to 
> change the table values each time by hand.
>
> The method of choice here is to collect all changes to the table 
> layout in a \startsetups block (the argument is just a name for the 
> block) and load it afterwards at the start of the table with the 
> setups key.
>
> %%%% begin example
> \starttext
>
> \startsetups [redtableframe]
> \setupTABLE[framecolor=red]
> \stopsetups
>
> \bTABLE[setups=redtableframe]
> \bTR \bTD first table \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD second table \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \stoptext
> %%%% end example
>
> Wolfgang
>

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