* sorting for particular sub entries to register
@ 2022-01-31 22:35 jbf via ntg-context
2022-02-01 0:09 ` Adam Reviczky via ntg-context
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From: jbf via ntg-context @ 2022-01-31 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Let me come back to the unresolved (for me) question of two situations
in sub entries to a book index (register). Sub entries that have
formatting or sub entries that are surrounded by quote marks (straight
or curly, it makes no difference) do not appear in the correct
alphabetical order.
Two attempts on my part:
text before \index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti}
(experts)} text after.
text before \index{animals+‘special kinds’} text after. Or
alternatively, \index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
The setup for my register is a pretty standard one. The processor is not
for the 'periti' case above but I use it for book titles.
\setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
\defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
In the periti case it is the \it command that clearly interferes with
correct alphabetic positioning in the sub entry list. Placing +periti in
the key does not overcome that problem.
In the ‘special kinds’ case it is the initial single quote mark (‘) that
causes the problem. The item comes last in the sub entry list. And if i
include a key [special], then it comes first in the sub entry list.
Either way, it is out of the desired sorting order.
I believe I have followed the helpful suggestions of various ones, but
it is always possible that I have not fully understood those
suggestions. The reality is that at the moment the issue remains
unresolved for me. Any further wisdom out there to offer me?
Julian
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* Re: sorting for particular sub entries to register
2022-01-31 22:35 sorting for particular sub entries to register jbf via ntg-context
@ 2022-02-01 0:09 ` Adam Reviczky via ntg-context
2022-02-01 0:41 ` jbf via ntg-context
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From: Adam Reviczky via ntg-context @ 2022-02-01 0:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Julian,
How about using the keys in every instance?
\setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
\defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
\starttext
P\index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)}
B\index[Plenary+beriti]{Plenary Council+{\it beriti} (experts)}
A\index[Plenary+aeriti]{Plenary Council+aeriti (experts)}
S\index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
B\index[animals+bpecial]{animals+bpecial}
A\index[animals+apecial]{animals+‘apecial’}
U\index[animals+upecial]{animals+‘upecial’}
T\index[animals+tpecial]{animals+tpecial}
\placeindex
\stoptext
See result in: https://live.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/result.cgi?id=j46XhZ
Adam
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:38 PM jbf via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
wrote:
> Let me come back to the unresolved (for me) question of two situations in
> sub entries to a book index (register). Sub entries that have formatting or
> sub entries that are surrounded by quote marks (straight or curly, it makes
> no difference) do not appear in the correct alphabetical order.
>
> Two attempts on my part:
>
> text before \index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)}
> text after.
>
> text before \index{animals+‘special kinds’} text after. Or alternatively,
> \index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
>
> The setup for my register is a pretty standard one. The processor is not
> for the 'periti' case above but I use it for book titles.
>
> \setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
>
> \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
>
> In the periti case it is the \it command that clearly interferes with
> correct alphabetic positioning in the sub entry list. Placing +periti in
> the key does not overcome that problem.
>
> In the ‘special kinds’ case it is the initial single quote mark (‘) that
> causes the problem. The item comes last in the sub entry list. And if i
> include a key [special], then it comes first in the sub entry list. Either
> way, it is out of the desired sorting order.
>
> I believe I have followed the helpful suggestions of various ones, but it
> is always possible that I have not fully understood those suggestions. The
> reality is that at the moment the issue remains unresolved for me. Any
> further wisdom out there to offer me?
>
> Julian
>
>
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> the Wiki!
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>
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* Re: sorting for particular sub entries to register
2022-02-01 0:09 ` Adam Reviczky via ntg-context
@ 2022-02-01 0:41 ` jbf via ntg-context
2022-02-01 7:49 ` Robert via ntg-context
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From: jbf via ntg-context @ 2022-02-01 0:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Adam Reviczky; +Cc: jbf, mailing list for ConTeXt users
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Yes, Adam, that works. Though it can be a laborious solution, since it
means creating keys for everything in a sub entry list (and I have many
instances, 40 or more in some cases). However, I did not ask for a
'simple' solution, just a solution! Thank you.
Julian
On 1/2/22 11:09, Adam Reviczky wrote:
> Hi Julian,
>
> How about using the keys in every instance?
>
> \setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
> \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
>
> \starttext
> P\index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)}
> B\index[Plenary+beriti]{Plenary Council+{\it beriti} (experts)}
> A\index[Plenary+aeriti]{Plenary Council+aeriti (experts)}
>
> S\index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
> B\index[animals+bpecial]{animals+bpecial}
> A\index[animals+apecial]{animals+‘apecial’}
> U\index[animals+upecial]{animals+‘upecial’}
> T\index[animals+tpecial]{animals+tpecial}
>
> \placeindex
> \stoptext
>
> See result in: https://live.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/result.cgi?id=j46XhZ
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:38 PM jbf via ntg-context
> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>
> Let me come back to the unresolved (for me) question of two
> situations in sub entries to a book index (register). Sub entries
> that have formatting or sub entries that are surrounded by quote
> marks (straight or curly, it makes no difference) do not appear in
> the correct alphabetical order.
>
> Two attempts on my part:
>
> text before \index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti}
> (experts)} text after.
>
> text before \index{animals+‘special kinds’} text after. Or
> alternatively, \index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
>
> The setup for my register is a pretty standard one. The processor
> is not for the 'periti' case above but I use it for book titles.
>
> \setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
>
> \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
>
> In the periti case it is the \it command that clearly interferes
> with correct alphabetic positioning in the sub entry list. Placing
> +periti in the key does not overcome that problem.
>
> In the ‘special kinds’ case it is the initial single quote mark
> (‘) that causes the problem. The item comes last in the sub entry
> list. And if i include a key [special], then it comes first in the
> sub entry list. Either way, it is out of the desired sorting order.
>
> I believe I have followed the helpful suggestions of various ones,
> but it is always possible that I have not fully understood those
> suggestions. The reality is that at the moment the issue remains
> unresolved for me. Any further wisdom out there to offer me?
>
> Julian
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an
> entry to the Wiki!
>
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
> wiki : http://contextgarden.net
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>
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* Re: sorting for particular sub entries to register
2022-02-01 0:41 ` jbf via ntg-context
@ 2022-02-01 7:49 ` Robert via ntg-context
2022-02-01 21:36 ` jbf via ntg-context
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From: Robert via ntg-context @ 2022-02-01 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Julian,
Another solution could be to use Lua.
I have a multilingual document in which some elements to be printed bold (Language 1), and collected in an index (trk) arranged according their (verbal) stems. Elements from Language 2 are to be printed in italics in the text and collected in a separate index.
In the present example the morphemes from Language 2 are separated by ::, the verbal stem ends in -.
In \\textbf the input is reproduced as is. Then interesting things happen in the index (trk).
The first element (until the first ::) is taken as an main entry in the index (hence !). Then the complete input is retained as the secondary entry. Note that in the index - separates the morphemes.
I use LuaLatex, but I am quite sure this is also possible in Context.
It is quite complex, but it works.
Robert
\newcommand{\TWI}[1]{\directlua{twi_help(\luastring{#1})}}
\begin{luacode}
function twi_help ( s )
s = unicode.utf8.gsub (s, '^([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)$' , '\\textbf{%1::%2::%3%::%4::%5}\\sindex%[trk%]{%#%1!%1%-%2%-%3%-%4-%5}’ )
s = unicode.utf8.gsub … other action
\end{luacode}
\begin{document}
text text text text \TWI{dī-::dū::kin::dah} text text text text text
\end{document}
> Op 1 feb. 2022, om 01:41 heeft jbf via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Yes, Adam, that works. Though it can be a laborious solution, since it means creating keys for everything in a sub entry list (and I have many instances, 40 or more in some cases). However, I did not ask for a 'simple' solution, just a solution! Thank you.
>
> Julian
>
> On 1/2/22 11:09, Adam Reviczky wrote:
>> Hi Julian,
>>
>> How about using the keys in every instance?
>>
>> \setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
>> \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
>>
>> \starttext
>> P\index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)}
>> B\index[Plenary+beriti]{Plenary Council+{\it beriti} (experts)}
>> A\index[Plenary+aeriti]{Plenary Council+aeriti (experts)}
>>
>> S\index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
>> B\index[animals+bpecial]{animals+bpecial}
>> A\index[animals+apecial]{animals+‘apecial’}
>> U\index[animals+upecial]{animals+‘upecial’}
>> T\index[animals+tpecial]{animals+tpecial}
>>
>> \placeindex
>> \stoptext
>>
>> See result in: https://live.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/result.cgi?id=j46XhZ <https://live.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/result.cgi?id=j46XhZ>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:38 PM jbf via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
>> Let me come back to the unresolved (for me) question of two situations in sub entries to a book index (register). Sub entries that have formatting or sub entries that are surrounded by quote marks (straight or curly, it makes no difference) do not appear in the correct alphabetical order.
>>
>> Two attempts on my part:
>>
>> text before \index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)} text after.
>>
>> text before \index{animals+‘special kinds’} text after. Or alternatively, \index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
>>
>> The setup for my register is a pretty standard one. The processor is not for the 'periti' case above but I use it for book titles.
>>
>> \setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
>> \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
>> In the periti case it is the \it command that clearly interferes with correct alphabetic positioning in the sub entry list. Placing +periti in the key does not overcome that problem.
>>
>> In the ‘special kinds’ case it is the initial single quote mark (‘) that causes the problem. The item comes last in the sub entry list. And if i include a key [special], then it comes first in the sub entry list. Either way, it is out of the desired sorting order.
>>
>> I believe I have followed the helpful suggestions of various ones, but it is always possible that I have not fully understood those suggestions. The reality is that at the moment the issue remains unresolved for me. Any further wisdom out there to offer me?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
>>
>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context <http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context>
>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/> / http://context.aanhet.net <http://context.aanhet.net/>
>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ <https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/>
>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net <http://contextgarden.net/>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
>
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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* Re: sorting for particular sub entries to register
2022-02-01 7:49 ` Robert via ntg-context
@ 2022-02-01 21:36 ` jbf via ntg-context
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From: jbf via ntg-context @ 2022-02-01 21:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert via ntg-context; +Cc: jbf, mailing list for ConTeXt users
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Thanks Robert,
Initially I thought it would probably be Lua which could come up with a
simple solution, though Hans had made it clear that 'messing with' the
key was the way to go, and, as always, he was proven correct. I simply
had to find out the best way to do the messing! But when time allows I
will take a closer look at the Lua possibilities.
Julian
On 1/2/22 18:49, Robert via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi Julian,
>
> Another solution could be to use Lua.
>
> I have a multilingual document in which some elements to be printed
> bold (Language 1), and collected in an index (trk) arranged according
> their (verbal) stems. Elements from Language 2 are to be printed in
> italics in the text and collected in a separate index.
>
> In the present example the morphemes from Language 2 are separated by
> ::, the verbal stem ends in -.
>
> In \\textbf the input is reproduced as is. Then interesting things
> happen in the index (trk).
>
> The first element (until the first ::) is taken as an main entry in
> the index (hence !). Then the complete input is retained as the
> secondary entry. Note that in the index - separates the morphemes.
>
> I use LuaLatex, but I am quite sure this is also possible in Context.
>
> It is quite complex, but it works.
>
> Robert
>
>
> \newcommand{\TWI}[1]{\directlua{twi_help(\luastring{#1})}}
>
> \begin{luacode}
> function twi_help ( s )
> s = unicode.utf8.gsub (s,
> '^([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)$' ,
> '\\textbf{%1::%2::%3%::%4::%5}\\sindex%[trk%]{%#%1!%1%-%2%-%3%-%4-%5}’ )
>
> s = unicode.utf8.gsub … other action
>
> \end{luacode}
>
> \begin{document}
>
> text text text text \TWI{dī-::dū::kin::dah} text text text text text
>
> \end{document}
>
>
>
>> Op 1 feb. 2022, om 01:41 heeft jbf via ntg-context
>> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Yes, Adam, that works. Though it can be a laborious solution, since
>> it means creating keys for everything in a sub entry list (and I have
>> many instances, 40 or more in some cases). However, I did not ask for
>> a 'simple' solution, just a solution! Thank you.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> On 1/2/22 11:09, Adam Reviczky wrote:
>>> Hi Julian,
>>>
>>> How about using the keys in every instance?
>>>
>>> \setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
>>> \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>> P\index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)}
>>> B\index[Plenary+beriti]{Plenary Council+{\it beriti} (experts)}
>>> A\index[Plenary+aeriti]{Plenary Council+aeriti (experts)}
>>>
>>> S\index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
>>> B\index[animals+bpecial]{animals+bpecial}
>>> A\index[animals+apecial]{animals+‘apecial’}
>>> U\index[animals+upecial]{animals+‘upecial’}
>>> T\index[animals+tpecial]{animals+tpecial}
>>>
>>> \placeindex
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> See result in:
>>> https://live.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/result.cgi?id=j46XhZ
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:38 PM jbf via ntg-context
>>> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me come back to the unresolved (for me) question of two
>>> situations in sub entries to a book index (register). Sub
>>> entries that have formatting or sub entries that are surrounded
>>> by quote marks (straight or curly, it makes no difference) do
>>> not appear in the correct alphabetical order.
>>>
>>> Two attempts on my part:
>>>
>>> text before \index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti}
>>> (experts)} text after.
>>>
>>> text before \index{animals+‘special kinds’} text after. Or
>>> alternatively, \index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}
>>>
>>> The setup for my register is a pretty standard one. The
>>> processor is not for the 'periti' case above but I use it for
>>> book titles.
>>>
>>> \setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]
>>>
>>> \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]
>>>
>>> In the periti case it is the \it command that clearly interferes
>>> with correct alphabetic positioning in the sub entry list.
>>> Placing +periti in the key does not overcome that problem.
>>>
>>> In the ‘special kinds’ case it is the initial single quote mark
>>> (‘) that causes the problem. The item comes last in the sub
>>> entry list. And if i include a key [special], then it comes
>>> first in the sub entry list. Either way, it is out of the
>>> desired sorting order.
>>>
>>> I believe I have followed the helpful suggestions of various
>>> ones, but it is always possible that I have not fully understood
>>> those suggestions. The reality is that at the moment the issue
>>> remains unresolved for me. Any further wisdom out there to offer me?
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an
>>> entry to the Wiki!
>>>
>>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
>>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
>>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
>>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net
>>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an
>> entry to the Wiki!
>>
>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>> webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
>> archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
>> wiki : http://contextgarden.net
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
>
> maillist :ntg-context@ntg.nl /http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
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