From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/52676 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Blackstone Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: long quotation without quotation marks Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:57:56 +0200 Message-ID: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1257442435==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1252094317 15995 80.91.229.12 (4 Sep 2009 19:58:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 19:58:37 +0000 (UTC) To: ntg-context@ntg.nl Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Sep 04 21:58:30 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MjevW-0006J6-Hf for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:58:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EE4C9ADD; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:58:25 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id oRl4wCUkkIrf; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC726C9A9C; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:58:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54B4C9A9C for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:58:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at balder.ntg.nl Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id RnL6C0-7IPra for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:57:57 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-bw0-f207.google.com (mail-bw0-f207.google.com [209.85.218.207]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CEBC9A9B for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2009 21:57:57 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so920337bwz.2 for ; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ytXIYdLZhyPfYuQVHoL34Gbl/fvCAvvRGiKvwKI88NE=; b=kCvEWFw7nJ5udt9UY8JIoKHsy4OA9oujbZVFHgZVqDli3CStyeFQJSlk7TsMKsuJs8 3JmHbDUzTMbdiS1on0EOEoi07/y447ngB9dk3fyu5bU+lLd9SlMV6TOlzuTjSeajL2sb fwl/mPVtiJkQZDObqtcTGUnafq9jXJc9Lk/Nk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=OGFr77zy84irVvkr24JYjrhuGQJVOQnsQLxHEylvTLbPgsKk6on2BcOFao/Ia9Z3W5 6ZDFULds/ViBC9FmY/Q5oxbja806dgY5EpF+k3LV6XVjd084ftMpBcGEtg/Kv6jF0L1T b6tvCJPb9Y4o/DRJR3smA16XZZS3Gm3nfyAy0= Original-Received: by 10.239.168.144 with SMTP id k16mr1078372hbe.103.1252094276881; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:52676 Archived-At: --===============1257442435== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163649914b994d9d0472c5eae6 --00163649914b994d9d0472c5eae6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 4, 2009, Aditya Mahajan wrote > > On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Robert Blackstone wrote: > > > Hi all, > > In a text with some fairly long quotations I want to have these > quotations > > without their quotation marks, not indented and set in small type. > > > To make context ignore indenting of a signle paragraph, use > \noindentation. > > delimited text does not offer control of indentation inside the > environment, but offers sufficient hooks to enable manipulation of > indentations. > > If you want paragraphs inside the quotation to be indented use the > following (if not, replace noindentation with noindenting) > > \definedelimitedtext[LongQuote] > [style=3D{\switchtobodyfont[9pt]}, > spacebefore=3Dmedium, > before=3D\noindentation, % also \noindenting, > ] > > \setupindenting[big,yes] > > \starttext > > \input ward > > \startLongQuote > \input knuth \par > \stopLongQuote > > \input ward > > \stoptext > > > Aditya > > Thank you Aditya, it helped. It was: before=3D\noindenting that did what = I wanted. Surprisingly for me, in the example you gave, before=3D\noindentation resul= ted in no indentation for the first paragraph but the two others were indented. With before=3D\noindenting all three paragrapghs were unindented. I really couldn=92t have guessed this. With some slight changes your example did almost exactly what I had in mind= . (Almost, since in a text like this I would prefer some space between the paragraphs and I understand that it cannot be adjusted locally.) Just for the sake of completeness I add it here: \definedelimitedtext[LongQuote] [style=3D{\switchtobodyfont[9pt]}, spacebefore=3Dmedium, before=3D\noindenting ] \setupindenting[big,yes] \starttext \input ward \startnarrower \startLongQuote \input knuth \par \stopLongQuote \stopnarrower \input ward \stoptext I have two related questions for the list: a. Would it be useful to add this information to the ConTeXt wiki page on Quotes? b. Is there a complete and up to date list of commands for ConTeXt, and wha= t they are supposed to do, to be found somewhere? (I find things like the existence of \noindent, \noindenting and \noindentation, all apparently giving slightly different results, nice for the variety it offers but, for = a beginner, quite confusing as well.) Kind regards, Robert Blackstone --00163649914b994d9d0472c5eae6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009, Aditya Mahajan wrot= e

On Thu, 3 Sep 2009, Robert Blackstone wrote:

> Hi all,
> In a text with some fairly long quotations I want to have these quotat= ions
> without their quotation marks, not indented and set in small type.


To make context ignore indenting of a signle paragraph, use
\noindentation.

delimited text does not offer control of indentation inside the
environment, but offers sufficient hooks to enable manipulation of
indentations.

If you want paragraphs inside the quotation to be indented use the
following (if not, replace noindentation with noindenting)

\definedelimitedtext[LongQuote]
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 [style=3D{\switchtobodyfont[9pt]},=
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0spacebefore=3Dmedium,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0before=3D\noindentation, % also= \noindenting,
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0]

\setupindenting[big,yes]

\starttext

\input ward

\startLongQuote
=A0 \input knuth \par
\stopLongQuote

\input ward

\stoptext


Aditya

Thank you Aditya, it helped. It was: before= =3D\noindenting that did what I wanted.
=A0
Surprisingly for me, in t= he example you gave, before=3D\noindentation resulted in no indentation for= the first paragraph but the two others were indented. With before=3D\noind= enting all three paragrapghs were unindented. I really couldn=92t have gues= sed this.

With some slight changes your example did almost exactly what I had in = mind. (Almost, since in a text like this I would prefer some space between = the paragraphs and I understand that it cannot be adjusted locally.)
Just for the sake of completeness I add it here:

\definedelimitedtex= t[LongQuote]
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 [= style=3D{\switchtobodyfont[9pt]},
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 spacebefore=3Dmedium,
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 before=3D\noindenting
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ]

\setupinden= ting[big,yes]

\starttext

\input ward
\startnarrower
\st= artLongQuote
=A0 \input knuth \par
\stopLongQuote
\stopnarrower\input ward

\stoptext

I have two related questions for the list:
a. Would it be useful to add = this information to the ConTeXt wiki page on Quotes?

b. Is there a c= omplete and up to date list of commands for ConTeXt, and what they are supp= osed to do, to be found somewhere? (I find things like the existence of \no= indent, \noindenting and \noindentation, all apparently giving slightly dif= ferent results, nice for the variety it offers but, for a beginner, quite c= onfusing=A0 as well.)

Kind regards,

Robert Blackstone
=A0
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