[NTG-context] Re: documentation

["Joaquín Ataz López" <jal@um.es>]

Thank you for your apology. I understand the error, and it is that 
Garulfo's translation is more of an adaptation than a translation. A 
great adaptation.

As for my original work, I am aware that the merit of its diffusion lies 
with the person who translated it into English. Out of humility he did 
not want to divulge his name, and I will not do so. But with his 
translation he made my work available to the whole world.


El 25/9/24 a las 19:33, Jean-Pierre Delange escribió:
> I'm sorry to admit that I made the terrible mistake of identifying you 
> with Garulfo: I know now that it was a mistake, and I know that you've 
> already apologised for it. My original intention was not to praise 
> Garulfo and ignore your work, but to stress the importance of this 
> work, which was translated into several languages fairly quickly!
> So a thousand apologies!
> JP
>
> Le 25/09/2024 à 19:25, Joaquín Ataz López a écrit :
>> Dear Jean-Pierre Delange, it is true that I do not participate much 
>> in the list, and that Garulfo's translation into French of “a not too 
>> short introduction to ConTeXt” is very meritorious and provides very 
>> good ideas. So much so that the authorship of this text should 
>> probably be attributed jointly to him and to me, since there are 
>> ideas there that are not in the original. But from there to erase me 
>> completely from the authorship of the document, I think it is excessive.
>>
>> Having said that, I agree that one of the problems for the expansion 
>> of ConTeXt has to do with documentation. But it is a difficult 
>> problem to solve, because the creativity of the main programmers is 
>> so much, that it is very difficult to keep the documentation up to date.
>>
>> El 25/9/24 a las 17:24, Jean-Pierre Delange escribió:
>>> Hi Hraban !
>>>
>>> I agree with you on the diagnosis: the development of ConTeXt 
>>> documentation that incorporates the latest elements is primarily 
>>> concerned. It's true that many ideas never find their way to 
>>> implementation! I agree with most of your analysis, particularly 
>>> with regard to the desire to develop the ConTeXt documentation by 
>>> incorporating the latest elements. However, this is not impossible, 
>>> as shown by some recent contributions (such as 'A Not so Short 
>>> Introduction to ConTeXt' by Garulfo 
>>> (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!QS51fl3hrXNUObDPGX3FhxEiydlLl1hYkyKnALi8ByTH5TnEwia3vGayujUgVIg96JgSmPUJ7-zepw$ 
>>> ), which is translated into 4 or 5 languages. Secondly, I am 
>>> personally interested (and this is the case of what we are 
>>> discussing) in translating something really developed and 
>>> articulated, with practical examples, from the simple to the 
>>> complex. In particular, something like a book that allows you to 
>>> confront the various layout problems, especially for the exercises 
>>> (or practical cases with CTX).
>>>
>>> JP
>>>
>>> Le 25/09/2024 à 15:16, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit :
>>>> Am 25.09.24 um 12:59 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange:
>>>>> Without burdening your shoulders with extra work, perhaps a 
>>>>> collaborative translation into different languages would be 
>>>>> appropriate? What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Wait until you see it and if you really want to translate it.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t really trust in promises any more esp. WRT to documentation.
>>>> What became of the “cookbook”? What happened to the other book 
>>>> projects?
>>>>
>>>> Since nearly all other documentation is in English, my book is 
>>>> already mostly an edited translation, and it doesn’t make sense to 
>>>> translate it back.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe just work on what is already public:
>>>>
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!QS51fl3hrXNUObDPGX3FhxEiydlLl1hYkyKnALi8ByTH5TnEwia3vGayujUgVIg96JgSmPUJ7-zepw$ 
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/AKielhorn/Context-Intro__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!QS51fl3hrXNUObDPGX3FhxEiydlLl1hYkyKnALi8ByTH5TnEwia3vGayujUgVIg96JgSmPWM6MYOGQ$ 
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ctan.org/pkg/context-notes-zh-cn__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!QS51fl3hrXNUObDPGX3FhxEiydlLl1hYkyKnALi8ByTH5TnEwia3vGayujUgVIg96JgSmPVlD7CCfA$ 
>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt,_an_excursion__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!QS51fl3hrXNUObDPGX3FhxEiydlLl1hYkyKnALi8ByTH5TnEwia3vGayujUgVIg96JgSmPVVdJAn6A$ 
>>>> … and the wiki, of course.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to anyone who is or was actively contributing!
>>>>
>>>> Hraban
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Joaquín Ataz López
Departamento de Derecho civil
Universidad de Murcia

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