* ligature exceptions
@ 2017-09-27 12:09 Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-09-27 12:16 ` Thomas Widmann
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-09-27 12:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all,
I know I can break ligatures with \/, like Auf\/lage, but is there a general dictionary approach, like \hyphenation{} ?
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 12:09 ligature exceptions Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2017-09-27 12:16 ` Thomas Widmann
2017-09-27 13:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2017-09-27 13:10 ` Tomas Hala
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From: Thomas Widmann @ 2017-09-27 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 27 September 2017 at 13:09, Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> I know I can break ligatures with \/, like Auf\/lage, but is there a general
> dictionary approach, like \hyphenation{} ?
That's a nice idea. If something like that existed, it could be used
to change 's' to 'ſ' in relevant places, too.
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 12:09 ligature exceptions Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-09-27 12:16 ` Thomas Widmann
@ 2017-09-27 13:10 ` Tomas Hala
2017-09-27 15:53 ` Ulrike Fischer
2017-09-27 17:26 ` Herbert Voss
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From: Tomas Hala @ 2017-09-27 13:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi Hraban,
I am afraid that \/ will break not only the ligature but moreover
it will erase the possible breakpoint between f and l.
From this point of view, Auf{}lage seems better.
General approach might be connected with font some features as Hans
shown at ConTeXt Meeting this year.
I recorded this case into the list of things we have to keep in mind
for testing of free fonts.
Best wishes,
Tomas
Wed, Sep 27, 2017 ve 02:09:50PM +0200 Henning Hraban Ramm napsal(a):
# Hi all,
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 12:16 ` Thomas Widmann
@ 2017-09-27 13:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2017-09-27 15:02 ` Florian Grammel
2017-09-27 20:25 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2017-09-27 13:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 09/27/2017 02:16 PM, Thomas Widmann wrote:
> That's a nice idea. If something like that existed, it could be used
> to change 's' to 'ſ' in relevant places, too.
This exists, see here:
https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg79381.html
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 13:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2017-09-27 15:02 ` Florian Grammel
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From: Florian Grammel @ 2017-09-27 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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There is a LuaLaTeX-package "selnolig" to achieve this goal. Its wordlists and rules could probably be adapted. There is also a thorough discussion of this challenge in the documentation.
https://www.ctan.org/pkg/selnolig
Best regards,
Florian
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 13:10 ` Tomas Hala
@ 2017-09-27 15:53 ` Ulrike Fischer
2017-09-27 16:13 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Ulrike Fischer @ 2017-09-27 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:10:33 +0200 schrieb Tomas Hala:
> From this point of view, Auf{}lage seems better.
This doesn't prevent the ligature:
\starttext
Auflage Auf{}lage Auf\/lage
\stoptext
This also documented: "The most important change is that adding a
brace group in the middle of a word (like in of{}fice) does not
prevent ligature creation."
With pdftex it does avoid ligatures, but not reliably. There are
cases where the brace group disappear when pdftex tries out
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 15:53 ` Ulrike Fischer
@ 2017-09-27 16:13 ` Hans Hagen
2017-09-27 20:27 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-09-27 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 9/27/2017 5:53 PM, Ulrike Fischer wrote:
> Am Wed, 27 Sep 2017 15:10:33 +0200 schrieb Tomas Hala:
>
>> From this point of view, Auf{}lage seems better.
>
> This doesn't prevent the ligature:
>
> \starttext
>
> Auflage Auf{}lage Auf\/lage
>
> \stoptext
>
> This also documented: "The most important change is that adding a
> brace group in the middle of a word (like in of{}fice) does not
> prevent ligature creation."
>
> With pdftex it does avoid ligatures, but not reliably. There are
> cases where the brace group disappear when pdftex tries out
> hyphenation points.
in traditional tex hyphenation is integrated in the par builder which
comes after ligaturing and kerning and tex only hyphenated where it
'makes sense' and in the process (multi-pass, going into disc nodes) it
will consult (deconstruct / reconstruct) ligatures and at that point
it's not known that the input had a {}. Tricks like inserting something
in between is also unreliable when done at the wrong time and it can
also prevent for instance kerns of hyphenation.
Anyway, in addition to Thomas answer ... we already have this
\blockligatures[fi,ff] \blockligatures[fl]
\blockligatures[u:fl:age]
\definefontfeature[default:nolig][default][blockligatures=yes]
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\definedfont[Serif*default:nolig]
fi ff fl auflage
\definedfont[Serif*default]
fi ff fl auflage
\stopTEXpage
The \blockligatures[u:fl:age] is new and something of a joke experiment
... I can probably come up with a real advanced and robust mechanism if
motivated enough
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 12:09 ligature exceptions Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-09-27 12:16 ` Thomas Widmann
2017-09-27 13:10 ` Tomas Hala
@ 2017-09-27 17:26 ` Herbert Voss
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2017-09-27 17:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 27.09.2017 um 14:09 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>
> I know I can break ligatures with \/, like Auf\/lage, but is there a general dictionary approach, like \hyphenation{} ?
https://ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/luatex/latex/selnolig
is a selnolig.lua which could be used for a solution with context.
A list of all german words where a ligature should be suppressed
is also there.
Herbert
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 13:39 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2017-09-27 15:02 ` Florian Grammel
@ 2017-09-27 20:25 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-09-27 21:02 ` Herbert Voss
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-09-27 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 2017-09-27 um 15:39 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>:
> On 09/27/2017 02:16 PM, Thomas Widmann wrote:
>> That's a nice idea. If something like that existed, it could be used
>> to change 's' to 'ſ' in relevant places, too.
>
> This exists, see here: https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg79381.html
Thank you for the suggestion.
I tried
\replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
\setreplacements[eka]
and even converted the german wordlist from the selnolig package, but it doesn’t help.
If I try
\replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au\noligature{fl}age]
I get a literal "Au noligature fl age" in my text.
Simply Au\noligature{fl}age doesn’t help either.
My active features are:
\definefontfeature[default]
[mode=node,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,
ccmp=yes,language=dflt,
protrusion=quality,
expansion=quality]
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 16:13 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-09-27 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 2017-09-27 um 18:13 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> Anyway, in addition to Thomas answer ... we already have this
>
> \blockligatures[fi,ff] \blockligatures[fl]
> \blockligatures[u:fl:age]
>
> \definefontfeature[default:nolig][default][blockligatures=yes]
>
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \definedfont[Serif*default:nolig]
> fi ff fl auflage
> \definedfont[Serif*default]
> fi ff fl auflage
> \stopTEXpage
>
> The \blockligatures[u:fl:age] is new and something of a joke experiment ... I can probably come up with a real advanced and robust mechanism if motivated enough
Thank you, I tried it, and while blocking ligatures generally works (\blockligatures[fl]), the selective blocking (\blockligatures[u:fl:age]) doesn’t change anything.
Do you have this only in your local version?
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 20:25 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2017-09-27 21:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 27.09.2017 um 22:25 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Am 2017-09-27 um 15:39 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>:
>
>> On 09/27/2017 02:16 PM, Thomas Widmann wrote:
>>> That's a nice idea. If something like that existed, it could be used
>>> to change 's' to 'ſ' in relevant places, too.
>>
>> This exists, see here: https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg79381.html
>
> Thank you for the suggestion.
> I tried
>
> \replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
> \setreplacements[eka]
>
> and even converted the german wordlist from the selnolig package, but it doesn’t help.
> If I try
> \replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au\noligature{fl}age]
> I get a literal "Au noligature fl age" in my text.
>
> Simply Au\noligature{fl}age doesn’t help either.
>
> My active features are:
> \definefontfeature[default]
> [mode=node,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,
> ccmp=yes,language=dflt,
> protrusion=quality,
> expansion=quality]
>
\definefontfeature[default]
[mode=node,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,
ccmp=yes,language=dflt,
protrusion=quality,
expansion=quality]
\replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
\starttext
Auflage
Au\noligature{fl}age
\setreplacements[eka]
Auflage
\stoptext
no problem here, first with ligature the other two without
Herbert
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 20:25 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-09-27 21:02 ` Herbert Voss
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2017-09-27 23:16 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2017-09-27 21:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 09/27/2017 10:25 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Thank you for the suggestion.
> I tried
>
> \replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
> \setreplacements[eka]
>
> and even converted the german wordlist from the selnolig package, but it doesn’t help.
Works here. You'll have to make a real example.
Thomas
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2017-09-27 21:08 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2017-09-27 23:16 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-09-27 23:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Thomas A. Schmitz
On 9/27/2017 11:08 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 09/27/2017 10:25 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Thank you for the suggestion.
>> I tried
>>
>> \replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
>> \setreplacements[eka]
>>
>> and even converted the german wordlist from the selnolig package, but
>> it doesn’t help.
>
>
> Works here. You'll have to make a real example.
I'll add an extra (simple) definition format:
\replaceword [eka] [Au{fl}age Shiff{f}ahrt]
I leave it to others to collect (reasonable) lists of words. We can
these to the distribution then.
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 20:27 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2017-09-28 6:40 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-09-28 7:17 ` Herbert Voss
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2017-09-28 6:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 09/27/2017 10:27 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 2017-09-27 um 18:13 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
>> [...]
>> The \blockligatures[u:fl:age] is new and something of a joke
>> experiment ... I can probably come up with a real advanced and robust
>> mechanism if motivated enough
>
> Thank you, I tried it, and while blocking ligatures generally works
> (\blockligatures[fl]), the selective blocking
> (\blockligatures[u:fl:age]) doesn’t change anything.
> Do you have this only in your local version?
Hi Hraban,
using latest beta (from 2017.09.25 19:19), the following sample works:
\starttext
\blockligatures[fi,ff] \blockligatures[fl]
\blockligatures[u:fl:age, u:fl:eg]
\definefontfeature[default:b][default][blockligatures=yes]
\setupbodyfont[times]\showfontkerns
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
fi ff fl Auflage auflegt
\definedfont[Serif*default:b]
fi ff fl Auflage auflegt
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Just in case it helps,
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-28 6:40 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2017-09-28 7:17 ` Herbert Voss
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From: Herbert Voss @ 2017-09-28 7:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 28.09.2017 um 08:40 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
> using latest beta (from 2017.09.25 19:19), the following sample works:
>
> \starttext
> \blockligatures[fi,ff] \blockligatures[fl]
> \blockligatures[u:fl:age, u:fl:eg]
>
> \definefontfeature[default:b][default][blockligatures=yes]
>
> \setupbodyfont[times]\showfontkerns
>
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> fi ff fl Auflage auflegt
>
> \definedfont[Serif*default:b]
> fi ff fl Auflage auflegt
How do you catch "Aufl." (the abbreviation of Auflage),
which is written _with_ a ligature?
Herbert
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
>
> Just in case it helps,
>
> Pablo
>
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-27 21:02 ` Herbert Voss
@ 2017-09-28 7:24 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-09-28 7:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Am 2017-09-27 um 23:02 schrieb Herbert Voss <Herbert.Voss@FU-Berlin.DE>:
>> Thank you for the suggestion.
>> I tried
>> \replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
>> \setreplacements[eka]
>> and even converted the german wordlist from the selnolig package, but it doesn’t help.
>> If I try
>> \replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au\noligature{fl}age]
>> I get a literal "Au noligature fl age" in my text.
>> Simply Au\noligature{fl}age doesn’t help either.
>> My active features are:
>> \definefontfeature[default]
>> [mode=node,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,
>> ccmp=yes,language=dflt,
>> protrusion=quality,
>> expansion=quality]
>
> \definefontfeature[default]
> [mode=node,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,
> ccmp=yes,language=dflt,
> protrusion=quality,
> expansion=quality]
>
> \replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
>
> \starttext
> Auflage
> Au\noligature{fl}age
> \setreplacements[eka]
> Auflage
> \stoptext
>
>
> no problem here, first with ligature the other two without
Yes, today it works. Thank you! Didn’t change anything. Strange.
Greetlings, Hraban
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-28 7:17 ` Herbert Voss
@ 2017-09-28 11:51 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-09-28 13:54 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2017-09-28 11:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 09/28/2017 09:17 AM, Herbert Voss wrote:
> Am 28.09.2017 um 08:40 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
>
>> using latest beta (from 2017.09.25 19:19), the following sample works:
> [...]
> How do you catch "Aufl." (the abbreviation of Auflage),
> which is written _with_ a ligature?
Herbert,
I overlooked that \blockligatures[u:fl:age, u:fl:eg] only works if there
is also a \blockligatures[fl].
Hans, is this a bug or is it intended?
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-28 11:51 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2017-09-28 13:54 ` Hans Hagen
2017-09-29 6:30 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-09-28 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 9/28/2017 1:51 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 09/28/2017 09:17 AM, Herbert Voss wrote:
>> Am 28.09.2017 um 08:40 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
>>
>>> using latest beta (from 2017.09.25 19:19), the following sample works:
>> [...]
>> How do you catch "Aufl." (the abbreviation of Auflage),
>> which is written _with_ a ligature?
>
> Herbert,
>
> I overlooked that \blockligatures[u:fl:age, u:fl:eg] only works if there
> is also a \blockligatures[fl].
>
> Hans, is this a bug or is it intended?
do you indeed use the latest beta? anyway, the \replaceword mechanism is
a bit more flexible and efficient
Hans
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-09-28 13:54 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-09-29 6:30 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2017-09-29 6:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 09/28/2017 03:54 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 9/28/2017 1:51 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> [...]
>> I overlooked that \blockligatures[u:fl:age, u:fl:eg] only works if there
>> is also a \blockligatures[fl].
>>
>> Hans, is this a bug or is it intended?
> do you indeed use the latest beta? anyway, the \replaceword mechanism is
> a bit more flexible and efficient
Hans,
after updating to latest beta (from 2017.09.25 19:19 to 2017.09.28 10:07
[I didn’t realize that there was a newer beta yesterday]), it works.
Just in case it may be relevant, \blockligatures[u:fl:age] blocks
ligatures in auflegt and Aufl.
Minimal sample:
\starttext
\blockligatures[u:fl:age]
\definefontfeature[default:b][default][blockligatures=yes]
\setupbodyfont[times]\showfontkerns
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
fl Auflage auflegt Aufl.
\definedfont[Serif*default:b]
fl Auflage auflegt Aufl.
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2021-07-28 17:24 Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
@ 2021-07-28 21:29 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context @ 2021-07-28 21:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context; +Cc: Hans Hagen
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On 7/28/2021 7:24 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> just two quick questions: a couple of weeks ago, there was a long
> discussion on ligature exceptions in, e.g., German. Hans provided an
> elegant new mechanism (\startlanguageoptions). So my two questions:
>
> 1. Is the old mechanism (\replaceword[eg][Auflage][Au{fl}age]) now
> obsolete? I tried using it, but unwanted ligatures still occurred. If it
> is indeed deprecated, I'll add a note to the wiki (this would mean that
> the current texlive version does not have the new mechanism and the
> latest lmtx doesn't use the old one, so that's somewhat problematic).
it's not too hard to make it work, see attached, but the new one is
nicer because it permits more detailed control
in luametatex you can do things like
Au{\norightligaturing f}lage
that is: each character can have a set of options; ok, one can do that
with attributes but that is less efficients options have been introduced
for ligatures, kerns, expansion etc (you can diff the attached lmt file
with the lua file of the same name to see the difference in approach
> 2. Both mechanisms only work for complete words, is that right? So I
> can't just provide a pattern such as "uf|forder," I have to provide a
> full list with all inflected forms:
>
> auf|fordern
> auf|fordert
> auf|fordernd
> Auf|forderung
> Auf|forderungen
>
> and for 1-3 also the forms with a capital letter.
just lowercase will do
if you look at the example files you can see that there are pre/post
snippets possibel so basically you can create something
pre [a|b|c] post
which saves some definitions (make we can have pre/post lists which will
nicely explode into huge lists but memory is not the issue here)
while the replacement works by running over the node list, the second
mechanism is using a callback at the hyphenation level (so per language)
where each word is anyway checked against an exception list, so in
addition that word can now be fed into a function and depending on
outcome be fed back into the machinery
(there are trackers that give insight in the process)
Hans
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if not modules then modules = { } end modules ['lang-rep'] = {
version = 1.001,
comment = "companion to lang-rep.mkiv",
author = "Hans Hagen, PRAGMA-ADE, Hasselt NL",
copyright = "PRAGMA ADE / ConTeXt Development Team",
license = "see context related readme files"
}
-- A BachoTeX 2013 experiment, probably not that useful. Eventually I used a simpler
-- more generic example. I'm sure no one ever notices of even needs this code.
--
-- As a follow up on a question by Alan about special treatment of dropped caps I wonder
-- if I can make this one more clever (probably in a few more dev steps). For instance
-- injecting nodes or replacing nodes. It's a prelude to a kind of lpeg for nodes,
-- although (given experiences so far) we don't really need that. After all, each problem
-- is somewhat unique.
local type, tonumber, next = type, tonumber, next
local gmatch, gsub = string.gmatch, string.gsub
local utfbyte, utfsplit = utf.byte, utf.split
local P, C, U, Cc, Ct, Cs, lpegmatch = lpeg.P, lpeg.C, lpeg.patterns.utf8character, lpeg.Cc, lpeg.Ct, lpeg.Cs, lpeg.match
local find = string.find
local zwnj = 0x200C
local grouped = P("{") * ( Ct((U/utfbyte-P("}"))^1) + Cc(false) ) * P("}")-- grouped
local splitter = Ct((
#P("{") * (
P("{}") / function() return zwnj end
+ Ct(Cc("discretionary") * grouped * grouped * grouped)
+ Ct(Cc("noligature") * grouped)
)
+ U/utfbyte
)^1)
local stripper = P("{") * Cs((1-P(-2))^0) * P("}") * P(-1)
local trace_replacements = false trackers.register("languages.replacements", function(v) trace_replacements = v end)
local trace_details = false trackers.register("languages.replacements.details", function(v) trace_details = v end)
local report_replacement = logs.reporter("languages","replacements")
local glyph_code = nodes.nodecodes.glyph
local glue_code = nodes.nodecodes.glue
local spaceskip_code = nodes.gluecodes.spaceskip
local xspaceskip_code = nodes.gluecodes.xspaceskip
local nuts = nodes.nuts
local getnext = nuts.getnext
local getprev = nuts.getprev
local getattr = nuts.getattr
local getid = nuts.getid
local getsubtype = nuts.getsubtype
local getchar = nuts.getchar
local isglyph = nuts.isglyph
local setlink = nuts.setlink
local setnext = nuts.setnext
local setprev = nuts.setprev
local setchar = nuts.setchar
local setattrlist = nuts.setattrlist
local setoptions = nuts.setoptions
local glyphoptioncodes = tex.glyphoptioncodes
local norightligature_option = glyphoptioncodes.norightligature
local noleftligature_option = glyphoptioncodes.noleftligature
local insertbefore = nuts.insertbefore
local insertafter = nuts.insertafter
local remove_node = nuts.remove
local copy_node = nuts.copy
local flushlist = nuts.flushlist
local nodepool = nuts.pool
local new_disc = nodepool.disc
local texsetattribute = tex.setattribute
local unsetvalue = attributes.unsetvalue
local enableaction = nodes.tasks.enableaction
local v_reset = interfaces.variables.reset
local implement = interfaces.implement
local processors = typesetters.processors
local splitprocessor = processors.split
local replacements = languages.replacements or { }
languages.replacements = replacements
local a_replacements = attributes.private("replacements")
local lists = { }
local last = 0
local trees = { }
table.setmetatableindex(lists,function(lists,name)
last = last + 1
local list = { }
local data = { name = name, list = list, attribute = last }
lists[last] = data
lists[name] = data
trees[last] = list
return data
end)
lists[v_reset].attribute = unsetvalue -- so we discard 0
-- todo: glue kern attr
local function add(root,word,replacement)
local processor, replacement = splitprocessor(replacement,true) -- no check
replacement = lpegmatch(stripper,replacement) or replacement
local list = utfsplit(word) -- ,true)
local size = #list
for i=1,size do
local l = utfbyte(list[i])
if not root[l] then
root[l] = { }
end
if i == size then
local special = find(replacement,"{",1,true)
local newlist = lpegmatch(splitter,replacement)
root[l].final = {
word = word,
replacement = replacement,
processor = processor,
oldlength = size,
newcodes = newlist,
special = special,
}
end
root = root[l]
end
end
function replacements.add(category,word,replacement)
local root = lists[category].list
if type(word) == "table" then
for word, replacement in next, word do
add(root,word,replacement)
end
else
add(root,word,replacement or "")
end
end
-- local strip = lpeg.stripper("{}")
function languages.replacements.addlist(category,list)
local root = lists[category].list
if type(list) == "string" then
for new in gmatch(list,"%S+") do
local old = gsub(new,"[{}]","")
-- local old = lpegmatch(strip,new)
add(root,old,new)
end
else
for i=1,#list do
local new = list[i]
local old = gsub(new,"[{}]","")
-- local old = lpegmatch(strip,new)
add(root,old,new)
end
end
end
local function tonodes(list,template)
local head, current
for i=1,#list do
local new = copy_node(template)
setchar(new,list[i])
if head then
head, current = insertafter(head,current,new)
else
head, current = new, new
end
end
return head
end
local is_punctuation = characters.is_punctuation
-- We can try to be clever and use the fact that there is no match to skip
-- over to the next word but it is gives fuzzy code so for now I removed
-- that optimization (when I really need a high performance version myself
-- I will look into it (but so far I never used this mechanism myself).
--
-- We used to have the hit checker as function but is got messy when checks
-- for punctuation was added.
local function replace(head,first,last,final,hasspace,overload)
local current = first
local prefirst = getprev(first) or head
local postlast = getnext(last)
local oldlength = final.oldlength
local newcodes = final.newcodes
local newlength = newcodes and #newcodes or 0
if trace_replacements then
report_replacement("replacing word %a by %a",final.word,final.replacement)
end
if hasspace or final.special then
-- It's easier to delete and insert so we do just that. On the todo list is
-- turn injected spaces into glue but easier might be to let the char break
-- handler do that ...
local prev = getprev(current)
local next = getnext(last)
local list = current
setnext(last)
setlink(prev,next)
current = prev
if not current then
head = nil
end
local i = 1
while i <= newlength do
local codes = newcodes[i]
if type(codes) == "table" then
local method = codes[1]
if method == "discretionary" then
local pre, post, replace = codes[2], codes[3], codes[4]
if pre then
pre = tonodes(pre,first)
end
if post then
post = tonodes(post,first)
end
if replace then
replace = tonodes(replace,first)
end
-- todo: also set attr
local new = new_disc(pre,post,replace)
setattrlist(new,first)
head, current = insertafter(head,current,new)
elseif method == "noligature" then
-- not that efficient to copy but ok for testing
local list = codes[2]
if list then
local n = #list
for i=1,n do
local new = copy_node(first)
setchar(new,list[i])
if i == 1 then
setoptions(new,norightligature_option)
elseif i == n then
setoptions(new,glyphoptioncodes.noleftligature | norightligature_option)
else
setoptions(new,glyphoptioncodes.noleftligature)
end
head, current = insertafter(head,current,new)
end
else
-- local new = copy_node(first)
-- setchar(new,zwnj)
-- head, current = insertafter(head,current,new)
setoptions(current,norightligature_option)
end
else
report_replacement("unknown method %a",method or "?")
end
else
local new = copy_node(first)
setchar(new,codes)
head, current = insertafter(head,current,new)
end
i = i + 1
end
flushlist(list)
elseif newlength == 0 then
-- we overload
elseif oldlength == newlength then
if final.word ~= final.replacement then
for i=1,newlength do
setchar(current,newcodes[i])
current = getnext(current)
end
end
current = getnext(final)
elseif oldlength < newlength then
for i=1,newlength-oldlength do
local n = copy_node(current)
setchar(n,newcodes[i])
head, current = insertbefore(head,current,n)
current = getnext(current)
end
for i=newlength-oldlength+1,newlength do
setchar(current,newcodes[i])
current = getnext(current)
end
else
for i=1,oldlength-newlength do
head, current = remove_node(head,current,true)
end
for i=1,newlength do
setchar(current,newcodes[i])
current = getnext(current)
end
end
if overload then
overload(final,getnext(prefirst),getprev(postlast))
end
return head, postlast
end
-- we handle just one space
function replacements.handler(head)
local current = head
local overload = attributes.applyoverloads
local mode = false -- we're in word or punctuation mode
local wordstart = false
local wordend = false
local prevend = false
local prevfinal = false
local tree = false
local root = false
local hasspace = false
while current do
local id = getid(current) -- or use the char getter
if id == glyph_code then
local a = getattr(current,a_replacements)
if a then
-- we have a run
tree = trees[a]
if tree then
local char = getchar(current)
local punc = is_punctuation[char]
if mode == "punc" then
if not punc then
if root then
local final = root.final
if final then
head = replace(head,wordstart,wordend,final,hasspace,overload)
elseif prevfinal then
head = replace(head,wordstart,prevend,prevfinal,hasspace,overload)
end
prevfinal = false
root = false
end
mode = "word"
end
elseif mode == "word" then
if punc then
if root then
local final = root.final
if final then
head = replace(head,wordstart,wordend,final,hasspace,overload)
elseif prevfinal then
head = replace(head,wordstart,prevend,prevfinal,hasspace,overload)
end
prevfinal = false
root = false
end
mode = "punc"
end
else
mode = punc and "punc" or "word"
end
if root then
root = root[char]
if root then
wordend = current
end
else
if prevfinal then
head = replace(head,wordstart,prevend,prevfinal,hasspace,overload)
prevfinal = false
end
root = tree[char]
if root then
wordstart = current
wordend = current
prevend = false
hasspace = false
end
end
else
root= false
end
else
tree = false
end
current = getnext(current)
elseif root then
local final = root.final
if mode == "word" and id == glue_code then
local s = getsubtype(current)
if s == spaceskip_code or s == xspaceskip_code then
local r = root[32] -- maybe more types
if r then
if not prevend then
local f = root.final
if f then
prevend = wordend
prevfinal = f
end
end
wordend = current
root = r
hasspace = true
goto moveon
end
end
end
if final then
head, current = replace(head,wordstart,wordend,final,hasspace,overload)
elseif prevfinal then
head, current = replace(head,wordstart,prevend,prevfinal,hasspace,overload)
end
prevfinal = false
root = false
::moveon::
current = getnext(current)
else
current = getnext(current)
end
end
if root then
local final = root.final
if final then
head = replace(head,wordstart,wordend,final,hasspace,overload)
elseif prevfinal then
head = replace(head,wordstart,prevend,prevfinal,hasspace,overload)
end
end
return head
end
local enabled = false
function replacements.set(n)
if n == v_reset then
n = unsetvalue
else
n = lists[n].attribute
if not enabled then
enableaction("processors","languages.replacements.handler")
if trace_replacements then
report_replacement("enabling replacement handler")
end
enabled = true
end
end
texsetattribute(a_replacements,n)
end
-- interface
implement {
name = "setreplacements",
actions = replacements.set,
arguments = "string"
}
implement {
name = "addreplacements",
actions = replacements.add,
arguments = "3 strings",
}
implement {
name = "addreplacementslist",
actions = replacements.addlist,
arguments = "2 strings",
}
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%D \module
%D [ file=lang-rep,
%D version=2013.04.28,
%D title=\CONTEXT\ Language Macros,
%D subtitle=Substitution,
%D author=Hans Hagen,
%D date=\currentdate,
%D copyright={PRAGMA ADE \& \CONTEXT\ Development Team}]
%C
%C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is
%C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for
%C details.
%D As I needed an example of messing with nodes for the bacho\TEX\ tutorial
%D I cooked up this. In the end I decided to stick to a simpler example and
%D just finished this off in case someone really needs it.
\writestatus{loading}{ConTeXt Language Macros / Replacements}
\unprotect
\registerctxluafile{lang-rep}{autosuffix}
\definesystemattribute[replacements][public,global]
%D \startluacode
%D
%D -- todo: other nodes (prelude to more experiments with auto dropped caps)
%D
%D languages.replacements.add("basics", {
%D ["aap"] = "monkey",
%D ["noot"] = "nut",
%D ["never"] = "forever",
%D ["newer"] = "cooler",
%D ["new"] = "cool",
%D -- ["special"] = "veryspe{>>>}{<<<}{=}cial",
%D })
%D
%D \stopluacode
%D
%D \replaceword[more][this][that]
%D \replaceword[more][crap][support]
%D \replaceword[more][---][—]
%D \replaceword[basics][special][veryspe{>>>}{<<<}{=}cial]
%D
%D \starttyping
%D \start \setreplacements[basics] What the heck, it's now or never, isn't it new? \par \stop
%D \start \setreplacements[more] Do we --- {\it really} --- need this kind of crap? \par \stop
%D \start \setreplacements[basics] All kinds of special thingies! \par \stop
%D \start \setreplacements[basics] \hsize1mm special \par \stop
%D \stoptyping
\permanent\protected\def\setreplacements[#1]%
{\clf_setreplacements{#1}}
\permanent\protected\def\resetreplacements
{\c_attr_replacements\attributeunsetvalue}
\permanent\tolerant\protected\def\replaceword[#1]#*[#2]#*[#3]%
{\ifarguments\or\or
\clf_addreplacementslist{#1}{#2}%
\or
\clf_addreplacements{#1}{#2}{#3}%
\fi}
\appendtoks
\resetreplacements
\to \everyresettypesetting
\appendtoks
\resetreplacements
\to \everyinitializeverbatim
\protect \endinput
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* ligature exceptions
@ 2021-07-28 17:24 Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context
2021-07-28 21:29 ` Hans Hagen via ntg-context
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context @ 2021-07-28 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi all,
just two quick questions: a couple of weeks ago, there was a long
discussion on ligature exceptions in, e.g., German. Hans provided an
elegant new mechanism (\startlanguageoptions). So my two questions:
1. Is the old mechanism (\replaceword[eg][Auflage][Au{fl}age]) now
obsolete? I tried using it, but unwanted ligatures still occurred. If it
is indeed deprecated, I'll add a note to the wiki (this would mean that
the current texlive version does not have the new mechanism and the
latest lmtx doesn't use the old one, so that's somewhat problematic).
2. Both mechanisms only work for complete words, is that right? So I
can't just provide a pattern such as "uf|forder," I have to provide a
full list with all inflected forms:
auf|fordern
auf|fordert
auf|fordernd
Auf|forderung
Auf|forderungen
and for 1-3 also the forms with a capital letter.
Thank you!
Thomas
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-08 12:54 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2017-10-08 16:19 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2017-10-08 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10/08/2017 02:54 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 2017-10-08 um 10:37 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez:
>> On 10/08/2017 12:22 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
>>
>> I almost get it all ;-), but what is the "i" variable?
>
> It defines the kerning between f and i. I also added "f" and "b".
Many thanks for the replies, both Hans and Hraban.
I didn’t notice any change in my sample because I only tested the fl pair.
Many thanks for your help,
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-08 8:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2017-10-08 12:54 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-10-08 16:19 ` Pablo Rodriguez
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-10-08 12:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 2017-10-08 um 10:37 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>:
> On 10/08/2017 12:22 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> You need to define features before fonts get defined because we share
>> font definitions and their features as much as possible
>>
>> \startluacode
>> fonts.handlers.otf.addfeature {
>> name = "kernligatures",
>> type = "kern",
>> data = {
>> f = { i = 50, l = 50 },
>> }
>> }
>> \stopluacode
>
> Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
>
> I almost get it all ;-), but what is the "i" variable?
It defines the kerning between f and i. I also added "f" and "b".
And after playing with the values and setting up exceptions I understand now why Hans hates the Alegreya font(s):
While the kerning works, the font still uses the long-arced f (that is meant for creating ligatures).
I still like the design, but will consider different fonts for upcoming books.
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 22:22 ` Hans Hagen
2017-10-08 8:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2017-10-08 12:17 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-10-08 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 2017-10-08 um 00:22 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> On 10/7/2017 9:21 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> You need to define features before fonts get defined because we share font definitions and their features as much as possible
>
> \startluacode
> fonts.handlers.otf.addfeature {
> name = "kernligatures",
> type = "kern",
> data = {
> f = { i = 50, l = 50 },
> }
> }
> \stopluacode
>
> \blockligatures[u:fl:a]
>
> Now we can use them
>
> \definefontfamily[mainfont][rm][Brill]
> \definefontfamily[mainfont][tt][Dejavu]
>
> \setupbodyfont[mainfont]
>
> \definefontfeature[default:b][default][blockligatures=yes]
> \definefontfeature[default:k][default][blockligatures=yes,kernligatures=yes]
Thank you very much, that helps! I’m working on a set of exceptions...
Greetlings, Hraban
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
2017-10-07 22:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2017-10-08 12:16 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-10-08 12:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 2017-10-08 um 00:14 schrieb Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> On 10/7/2017 9:21 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> On 10/07/2017 01:25 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>> I rejoiced too early:
>>> While the ligature exception handling works with some of the default
>>> fonts (lm, termes, pagella), it fails with the Alegreya fonts that I’m
>>> using.
>
> forget about Algreya as it's a useless font ... it has no kerns, no ligatures, no features at all so the f an whatever follows will always touch or overlap due to the design
I can’t agree - it’s beautifully designed, and I can’t complain about its kerning. It also responds to tlig or liga features, even if they’re implemented as single (i.e. not ligature) glyphs (there are e.g. different f glyphs). Maybe it’s set up in a strange way, but I don’t think it’s that bad. Of course I don’t have your level of insight.
My problem with Alegreya’s *design* it just that it’s not very well suited for digital printing, it needs a high resolution to look good.
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 22:22 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-10-08 8:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-10-08 12:54 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-10-08 12:17 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2017-10-08 8:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: ntg-context
On 10/08/2017 12:22 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> You need to define features before fonts get defined because we share
> font definitions and their features as much as possible
>
> \startluacode
> fonts.handlers.otf.addfeature {
> name = "kernligatures",
> type = "kern",
> data = {
> f = { i = 50, l = 50 },
> }
> }
> \stopluacode
Many thanks for your reply, Hans.
I almost get it all ;-), but what is the "i" variable?
Setting different values or even removing doesn’t make any difference
(at least, that I notice).
Many thanks for your help again,
Pablo
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-10-07 22:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-10-08 12:16 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2017-10-07 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10/08/2017 12:14 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 10/7/2017 9:21 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> [...]
> forget about Algreya as it's a useless font ... it has no kerns, no
> ligatures, no features at all so the f an whatever follows will always
> touch or overlap due to the design
In fact, the full version is a commercial typeface:
https://www.myfonts.com/fonts/huertatipografica/alegreya-ht-pro/.
I wonder whether it makes sense to have a free font that only contains
the shapes and just nothing more.
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 19:21 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-10-07 20:24 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-10-07 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2017-10-07 22:22 ` Hans Hagen
2017-10-08 8:37 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-10-08 12:17 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-10-07 22:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10/7/2017 9:21 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> The Brill fonts don’t work either (http://www.brill.com/about/brill-fonts).
>
> \definefontfamily[mainfont][rm][Alegreya]
> \definefontfamily[otherfont][rm][Brill]
> \setupbodyfont [mainfont,16pt]
>
> \starttext
> \startTEXpage[offset=1em]
> \startbuffer
> falsch: Auflage Kampffront
>
> richtig: Au\noligature{fl}age Kamp\noligature{ff}ront
>
> \setreplacements[eka]
> richtig: Auflage Kampffront
>
> f ft fl fk fb ff
>
> f f\/t f\/l f\/k f\/b f\/f
> \resetreplacements
> \stopbuffer
>
> \getbuffer
>
> \setupbodyfont[times]\getbuffer
>
> \setupbodyfont[otherfont]\getbuffer
> \stopTEXpage
> \stoptext
You need to define features before fonts get defined because we share
font definitions and their features as much as possible
\startluacode
fonts.handlers.otf.addfeature {
name = "kernligatures",
type = "kern",
data = {
f = { i = 50, l = 50 },
}
}
\stopluacode
\blockligatures[u:fl:a]
Now we can use them
\definefontfamily[mainfont][rm][Brill]
\definefontfamily[mainfont][tt][Dejavu]
\setupbodyfont[mainfont]
\definefontfeature[default:b][default][blockligatures=yes]
\definefontfeature[default:k][default][blockligatures=yes,kernligatures=yes]
\showfontkerns
\starttext
{\definedfont[Serif*default @ 11pt]auflage}\par
{\definedfont[Serif*default:b @ 11pt]auflage}\par
{\definedfont[Serif*default:k @ 11pt]auflage}\par
\stoptext
so, you need to add a kern too because brill assumes ligatures to be applied
as usual with tex .. there's always a way out but not always a trivial
one and of course all this gets forgotten and/or lost in the flood of
solutions
Hans
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 19:21 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-10-07 20:24 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2017-10-07 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
2017-10-07 22:44 ` Pablo Rodriguez
2017-10-08 12:16 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-10-07 22:22 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2017-10-07 22:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Pablo Rodriguez
On 10/7/2017 9:21 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> On 10/07/2017 01:25 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> I rejoiced too early:
>> While the ligature exception handling works with some of the default
>> fonts (lm, termes, pagella), it fails with the Alegreya fonts that I’m
>> using.
forget about Algreya as it's a useless font ... it has no kerns, no
ligatures, no features at all so the f an whatever follows will always
touch or overlap due to the design
Hans
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 19:21 ` Pablo Rodriguez
@ 2017-10-07 20:24 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
2017-10-07 22:14 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-10-07 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am 2017-10-07 um 21:21 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es>:
> Both Alegreya and Brill don’t replace the ligature with a single glyph,
> but replace the first glyph (only, as far as I know).
>
> I don’t know which is the way to solve it, but this might be the cause.
Oh, yes. Thanks for the analysis. I get the startligature-f also on hyphenation, like in auf-fällig, so that the arc of the first f (that is supposed to touch the second) reaches over the hyphen.
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-07 11:25 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Pablo Rodriguez @ 2017-10-07 19:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On 10/07/2017 01:25 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> I rejoiced too early:
> While the ligature exception handling works with some of the default
> fonts (lm, termes, pagella), it fails with the Alegreya fonts that I’m
> using.
The Brill fonts don’t work either (http://www.brill.com/about/brill-fonts).
\definefontfamily[mainfont][rm][Alegreya]
\definefontfamily[otherfont][rm][Brill]
\setupbodyfont [mainfont,16pt]
\starttext
\startTEXpage[offset=1em]
\startbuffer
falsch: Auflage Kampffront
richtig: Au\noligature{fl}age Kamp\noligature{ff}ront
\setreplacements[eka]
richtig: Auflage Kampffront
f ft fl fk fb ff
f f\/t f\/l f\/k f\/b f\/f
\resetreplacements
\stopbuffer
\getbuffer
\setupbodyfont[times]\getbuffer
\setupbodyfont[otherfont]\getbuffer
\stopTEXpage
\stoptext
Both Alegreya and Brill don’t replace the ligature with a single glyph,
but replace the first glyph (only, as far as I know).
I don’t know which is the way to solve it, but this might be the cause.
Just in case it helps,
Pablo
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* Re: ligature exceptions
2017-10-06 15:21 ` Fwd: " Henning Hraban Ramm
@ 2017-10-07 11:25 ` Henning Hraban Ramm
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From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2017-10-07 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
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I rejoiced too early:
While the ligature exception handling works with some of the default fonts (lm, termes, pagella), it fails with the Alegreya fonts that I’m using.
I’d be glad if someone (you?) could look into my attached typescript file or even try downloading the fonts* to check what’s going on.
*) https://fonts.google.com/?selection.family=Alegreya|Alegreya+SC|Alegreya+Sans|Alegreya+Sans+SC
\mainlanguage[de]
%\usetypescriptfile [type-alegreya]
%\usetypescript [alegreya-light]
%\setupbodyfont [alegreya,rm,16pt]
\setupbodyfont [termes,rm,16pt]
\definefontfeature[default]
[mode=node,kern=yes,
liga=yes,tlig=yes,
ccmp=yes,language=dflt,
protrusion=quality,
expansion=quality]
\replaceword[eka][Auflage][Au{fl}age]
\replaceword[eka][Kampffront][Kamp{ff}ront]
\starttext
falsch: Auflage Kampffront
richtig: Au\noligature{fl}age Kamp\noligature{ff}ront
\setreplacements[eka]
richtig: Auflage Kampffront
\stoptext
Greetlings, Hraban
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[-- Attachment #2: type-alegreya.tex --]
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\definefontfeature
[alefeatures]
[mode=node,kern=yes,
tlig=yes,liga=yes,
ccmp=yes,language=dflt,
protrusion=quality,
expansion=quality]
\starttypescript [sans] [alegreya,alegreya-light,alegreya-medium]
%\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Thin] [name:AlegreyaSans-Thin]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ThinItalic] [name:AlegreyaSans-ThinItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ThinCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-Thin]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ThinItalicCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-ThinItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Light] [name:AlegreyaSans-Light]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-LightItalic] [name:AlegreyaSans-LightItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-LightCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-Light]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-LightItalicCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-LightItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Regular] [name:AlegreyaSans-Regular]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Italic] [name:AlegreyaSans-Italic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Caps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-Regular]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ItalicCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-Italic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Medium] [name:AlegreyaSans-Medium]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic] [name:AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-MediumCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-Medium]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-MediumItalicCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-MediumItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Bold] [name:AlegreyaSans-Bold]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-BoldItalic] [name:AlegreyaSans-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-BoldCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-Bold]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-BoldItalicCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ExtraBold] [name:AlegreyaSans-ExtraBold]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ExtraBoldItalic] [name:AlegreyaSans-ExtraBoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ExtraBoldCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-ExtraBold]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-ExtraBoldItalicCaps][name:AlegreyaSansSC-ExtraBoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-Black] [name:AlegreyaSans-Black]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-BlackItalic] [name:AlegreyaSans-BlackItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-BlackCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-Black]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSans-BlackItalicCaps] [name:AlegreyaSansSC-BlackItalic]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [alegreya]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-Regular] [name:Alegreya-Regular]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-Italic] [name:Alegreya-Italic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-Caps] [name:AlegreyaSC-Regular]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-Bold] [name:Alegreya-Bold]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-BoldItalic] [name:Alegreya-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-BoldCaps] [name:AlegreyaSC-Bold]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-Black] [name:Alegreya-Black]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-BlackItalic] [name:Alegreya-BlackItalic]
\definefontsynonym[AlegreyaSerif-BlackCaps] [name:AlegreyaSC-Black]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [alegreya] [name]
%\setups[font:fallback:sans]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [AlegreyaSans-Regular] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [AlegreyaSans-Italic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [AlegreyaSans-Italic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [AlegreyaSans-Bold] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [AlegreyaSans-BoldItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted][AlegreyaSans-BoldItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [AlegreyaSans-Caps] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansThin] [AlegreyaSans-Thin] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansThinItalic] [AlegreyaSans-ThinItalic][features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansThinSlanted] [AlegreyaSans-ThinItalic][features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansThinCaps] [AlegreyaSans-ThinCaps] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansLight] [AlegreyaSans-Light] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansLightItalic] [AlegreyaSans-LightItalic][features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansLightSlanted] [AlegreyaSans-LightItalic][features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansLightCaps] [AlegreyaSans-LightCaps] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansMedium] [AlegreyaSans-Medium] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansMediumItalic] [AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic][features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansMediumSlanted][AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic][features=alefeatures]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [alegreya-light] [name]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [AlegreyaSans-Light] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [AlegreyaSans-LightItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [AlegreyaSans-LightItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [AlegreyaSans-LightCaps] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [AlegreyaSans-Medium] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted][AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [alegreya-medium] [name]
\definefontsynonym [Sans] [AlegreyaSans-Medium] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansSlanted] [AlegreyaSans-MediumItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansCaps] [AlegreyaSans-MediumCaps] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBold] [AlegreyaSans-ExtraBold] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [AlegreyaSans-ExtraBoldItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SansBoldSlanted][AlegreyaSans-ExtraBoldItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [alegreya] [name]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [AlegreyaSerif-Regular] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [AlegreyaSerif-Italic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SerifSlanted] [AlegreyaSerif-Italic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [AlegreyaSerif-Bold] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [AlegreyaSerif-BoldItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SerifBoldSlanted][AlegreyaSerif-BoldItalic] [features=alefeatures]
\definefontsynonym [SerifCaps] [AlegreyaSerif-Caps] [features=alefeatures]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [alegreya]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [rm] [serif] [alegreya] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [ss] [sans] [alegreya] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [mm] [math] [default] [default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [alegreya-light]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [rm] [serif] [alegreya] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [ss] [sans] [alegreya-light] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [mm] [math] [default] [default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [alegreya-medium]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [rm] [serif] [alegreya] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [ss] [sans] [alegreya-medium] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default]
\definetypeface [alegreya] [mm] [math] [default] [default]
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