From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/21743 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tobias Wolf Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Sparklines to be in ConTeXt? Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:34:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4.3.1.2.20050731135018.0251eee0@cits1.stanford.edu> Reply-To: Tobias Wolf , mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1122892603 29046 80.91.229.2 (1 Aug 2005 10:36:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Aug 01 12:36:43 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DzXen-0004mn-OW for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:36:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E78127BF; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:36:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17822-01; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:36:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C590E127B6; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:34:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E31127B6 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:34:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 17607-04-2 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:34:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nproxy.gmail.com (nproxy.gmail.com [64.233.182.196]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF9B127B2 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:34:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a4so246020nfc for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QjKweO3XTn9H4UXCXq0l+sXhJQj3Bo/4DUpi6dy+szxHerroLzzuMNP32neEtXVzU2ZQK8CuUPNczg2zFWxmAQMp9ast4kUOKy1jUUaEyWE8PR7f3lvr7DQ/MU05NJYKAPowha7BTfaLOFqmr2icjlcWMWpFMPmw6MwCObxrEHg= Original-Received: by 10.48.3.17 with SMTP id 17mr169530nfc; Mon, 01 Aug 2005 03:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.48.247.16 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 03:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20050731135018.0251eee0@cits1.stanford.edu> Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:21743 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:21743 >The particular temptation that I saw was that they _aren't_ a substitute >for a full graph -- they're only a substitute for the information one gets >were trying to put so much information in them that one would need to spen= d >time studying them to read them, and that misses the point. > Personally, I haven't yet written anything that seemed to provide a good > use for them, so I'm sort of waiting to have a real opinion on them until= I > actually find a place to give them a proper try-out in a "real-world" > situation. >=20 > In any case, I do agree that MetaPost is probably one of the best ways to > implement them, and ConTeXt's MetaPost integration should make it quite > easy to organize such implementations. To clarify, my question wasn't a request or anything. I see it in the same position as you, a toy used in exploration of some concepts that nonetheless seem to be based on some valid points. One of them being that the data and the text shouldn't be too disparate, floated far afield, and another that the content to presentation ratio should be maximal. These Sparklines cannot replace a full-blown figure but afford to approach data more in the sense of reading than in the sense of deciphering. I asked here because everything about it screamed ConTeXt (also considering that the favourite command here seems to be \input tufte). Thought this meme must have infected some here. - Tobias