Problem with vocalised hebrew

Problem with vocalised hebrew

[Lutz Haseloff]

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Hi all,
i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
My not fully working example:

\starttext
\definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
\setupalign[r2l]
טְרוֹפוֹתִי
\stoptext

In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the glyph, instead of being centered.
I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.

Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing something wrong?

Greetings Lutz
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Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew

[Rik Kabel]

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On 2017-12-15 06:45, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
> Hi all,
> i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
> My not fully working example:
>
> \starttext
> \definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
> \setupalign[r2l]
> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
> \stoptext
>
> In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the 
> glyph, instead of being centered.
> I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.
>
> Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing 
> something wrong?
>
> Greetings Lutz
> -- 
> GPG Key ID 3C4F83BC
>
>
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Depending on the font, correct niqqud placement requires some 
combination (sometimes all) of the following font features: lang, ccmp, 
and script. For Ezra SIL, I would use

    \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
       lang=heb,
       ccmp=yes,
       script=hebr,
    ]
    \starttext
    \definedfont[name:EzraSIL*hebrew at 72pt]
    \setupalign[r2l]
    טְרוֹפוֹתִי
    \stoptext

while for David_CLM the script feature suffices:

    \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
    % lang=heb,
    % ccmp=yes,
       script=hebr,
    ]
    \starttext
    \definedfont[name:David_CLM-medium*hebrew at 72pt]
    \setupalign[r2l]
    טְרוֹפוֹתִי
    \stoptext

You will have to find what works for narkisim.

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Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew

[Lutz Haseloff]

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Thank you very much Rik,
your settings for EzraSIL are working nicely for my favorite font Narkisim.
Thanks again
Lutz

Am 15. Dezember 2017 19:09:09 MEZ schrieb Rik Kabel <context@rik.users.panix.com>:
>On 2017-12-15 06:45, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
>> My not fully working example:
>>
>> \starttext
>> \definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
>> \setupalign[r2l]
>> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>> \stoptext
>>
>> In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the 
>> glyph, instead of being centered.
>> I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.
>>
>> Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing
>
>> something wrong?
>>
>> Greetings Lutz
>> -- 
>> GPG Key ID 3C4F83BC
>>
>>
>>
>___________________________________________________________________________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an
>entry to the Wiki!
>>
>> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl /
>http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>> webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
>> archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
>> wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
>>
>___________________________________________________________________________________
>
>Depending on the font, correct niqqud placement requires some 
>combination (sometimes all) of the following font features: lang, ccmp,
>
>and script. For Ezra SIL, I would use
>
>    \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
>       lang=heb,
>       ccmp=yes,
>       script=hebr,
>    ]
>    \starttext
>    \definedfont[name:EzraSIL*hebrew at 72pt]
>    \setupalign[r2l]
>    טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>    \stoptext
>
>while for David_CLM the script feature suffices:
>
>    \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
>    % lang=heb,
>    % ccmp=yes,
>       script=hebr,
>    ]
>    \starttext
>    \definedfont[name:David_CLM-medium*hebrew at 72pt]
>    \setupalign[r2l]
>    טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>    \stoptext
>
>You will have to find what works for narkisim.
>
>-- 
>Rik

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Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Thank you. Wikified: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Arabic_and_Hebrew#Hebrew

Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew

[Lutz Haseloff]

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Hi Hraban,
thank you for wikifying.
B.t.w טרופותי is the ivrit name of the Gruffalo ;-)

Am 15. Dezember 2017 22:54:57 MEZ schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm <texml@fiee.net>:
>Thank you. Wikified:
>http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Arabic_and_Hebrew#Hebrew
>
>Greetlings, Hraban
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Re: Problem with vocalised hebrew

[Hans Hagen]

On 12/15/2017 7:09 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> On 2017-12-15 06:45, Lutz Haseloff wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> i would like to typeset hebrew with context.
>> My not fully working example:
>>
>> \starttext
>> \definedfont[name:narkisim at 20pt]
>> \setupalign[r2l]
>> טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>> \stoptext
>>
>> In the resulting pdf the vocalisations are on the left side of the 
>> glyph, instead of being centered.
>> I append the result of context and the result of Libreoffice.
>>
>> Is there a way to typeset vocalised hebrew with context or am I doing 
>> something wrong?
>>
>> Greetings Lutz
>> -- 
>> GPG Key ID 3C4F83BC
>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
>> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
>>
>> maillist :ntg-context@ntg.nl  /http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>> webpage  :http://www.pragma-ade.nl  /http://context.aanhet.net
>> archive  :https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
>> wiki     :http://contextgarden.net
>> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Depending on the font, correct niqqud placement requires some 
> combination (sometimes all) of the following font features: lang, ccmp, 
> and script. For Ezra SIL, I would use
> 
>     \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
>        lang=heb,
>        ccmp=yes,
>        script=hebr,
>     ]
>     \starttext
>     \definedfont[name:EzraSIL*hebrew at 72pt]
>     \setupalign[r2l]
>     טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>     \stoptext
> 
> while for David_CLM the script feature suffices:
> 
>     \definefontfeature [hebrew] [oldstyle] [
>     % lang=heb,
>     % ccmp=yes,
>        script=hebr,
>     ]
>     \starttext
>     \definedfont[name:David_CLM-medium*hebrew at 72pt]
>     \setupalign[r2l]
>     טְרוֹפוֹתִי
>     \stoptext
> 
> You will have to find what works for narkisim.
There is a font feature hebrew already predefined

\definefontfeature [hebrewoldstyle] [oldstyle] [...]

if you have to set a language depends on the font (often dflt is ok).

This is the predefined set:

\definefontfeature
   [semitic-complete]
   [mode=node,analyze=yes,language=dflt,ccmp=yes,
    autoscript=position,autolanguage=position,
    init=yes,medi=yes,fina=yes,isol=yes,
    mark=yes,mkmk=yes,kern=yes,curs=yes,
    liga=yes,dlig=yes,rlig=yes,clig=yes,calt=yes]

\definefontfeature
   [semitic-simple]
   [mode=node,analyze=yes,language=dflt,ccmp=yes,
    autoscript=position,autolanguage=position,
    init=yes,medi=yes,fina=yes,isol=yes,
    mark=yes,mkmk=yes,kern=yes,curs=yes,
    rlig=yes,calt=yes]

\definefontfeature
   [arabic]
   [semitic-complete]
   [script=arab]

\definefontfeature
   [syriac]
   [arabic]
   [fin2=yes,fin3=yes,med2=yes]

\definefontfeature
   [hebrew]
   [semitic-complete]
   [script=hebr]

\definefontfeature
   [simplearabic]
   [semitic-simple]
   [script=arab]

\definefontfeature
   [simplehebrew]
   [semitic-simple]
   [script=hebr]

Hans

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