Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[VnPenguin]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 669 bytes --]

On 1/21/06, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:
...
> Ok, Gentium is now online including t5 encoding. (That's not yet
> mentioned on the page.)
>

Just tested your package. I loss a glyph which I dont know the name.
Its shot is at :
http://people.vnoss.org/~vnpenguin/pub/shots/gentium-dd.png

It seems that you use Gentium 1.01. With Gentium 1.02 in my box, I
could use this glyph no problem (the shot was done with Gentium 1.02
in Leafpad editor).

I try to replace your ttf by 1.02 release by modifying map file. But
this does not help. Maybe we need to recreate files with 1.02 ?

Thank you,

--
http://vnoss.org
Vietnamese Open Source Software Community

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 139 bytes --]

_______________________________________________
ntg-context mailing list
ntg-context@ntg.nl
http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-21 um 20:26 schrieb VnPenguin:

>> Ok, Gentium is now online including t5 encoding. (That's not yet
>> mentioned on the page.)
>
> Just tested your package. I loss a glyph which I dont know the name.
> Its shot is at :
> http://people.vnoss.org/~vnpenguin/pub/shots/gentium-dd.png
>
> It seems that you use Gentium 1.01. With Gentium 1.02 in my box, I
> could use this glyph no problem (the shot was done with Gentium 1.02
> in Leafpad editor).
>
> I try to replace your ttf by 1.02 release by modifying map file. But
> this does not help. Maybe we need to recreate files with 1.02 ?

Sorry, I missed that update. Just downloaded it and created the files  
anew (now online), but no change.
I guess the strike-through d should be in slot 31; probably an  
encoding problem.
I guess I should update ConTeXt, another encoding problem in ec was  
fixed.

Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
http://contextgarden.net
http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> Sorry, I missed that update. Just downloaded it and created the  
> files anew (now online), but no change.
> I guess the strike-through d should be in slot 31; probably an  
> encoding problem.
> I guess I should update ConTeXt, another encoding problem in ec was  
> fixed.

It didn't help, 'dcroat' is still missing.

Ok, I tracked it down: The tool that creates AFMs from TTFs, that is  
called by texfont, doesn't get all characters!
I opened the font files with FontForge and wrote AFMs with that, now  
it works (same with Junicode).
A new upload will follow in some minutes.


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
http://contextgarden.net
http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[VnPenguin]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1623 bytes --]

On 1/21/06, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I missed that update. Just downloaded it and created the files
> anew (now online), but no change.
> I guess the strike-through d should be in slot 31; probably an
> encoding problem.
> I guess I should update ConTeXt, another encoding problem in ec was
> fixed.
>

Just tried your new package.
1. In the file t5-sil-gentium.map, I see:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
t5-raw-genai101 GentiumAlt-Italic 4 < genai101.ttf t5.enc
t5-raw-genar101 GentiumAlt 4 < genar101.ttf t5.enc
t5-raw-geni101 Gentium-Italic 4 < geni101.ttf t5.enc
t5-raw-genr101 Gentium 4 < genr101.ttf t5.enc
t5-raw-genai102 GentiumAlt-Italic 4 < genai102.pfb t5.enc
t5-raw-genar102 GentiumAlt 4 < genar102.pfb t5.enc
t5-raw-geni102 Gentium-Italic 4 < geni102.pfb t5.enc
t5-raw-genr102 Gentium 4 < genr102.pfb t5.enc
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why 1.01 ttf are still there ? And why 1.02 PFB while there are only
TTF in your package ?

2. I don't think that files fonts.cache-1 are necessary for ConTeXt :-)
$ unzip -l sil-gentium.zip | grep fonts.cache
        0  08-10-05 11:50   fonts/afm/sil/gentium/fonts.cache-1
        0  08-10-05 11:51   fonts/tfm/sil/gentium/fonts.cache-1
     3334  08-10-05 11:51   fonts/truetype/sil/gentium/fonts.cache-1
        0  08-10-05 11:53   fonts/vf/sil/gentium/fonts.cache-1

Thank for your work,
Regards,
--
http://vnoss.org
Vietnamese Open Source Software Community

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 139 bytes --]

_______________________________________________
ntg-context mailing list
ntg-context@ntg.nl
http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-21 um 23:13 schrieb VnPenguin:

> 1. In the file t5-sil-gentium.map, I see:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ------------------------------------------------
> t5-raw-genai101 GentiumAlt-Italic 4 < genai101.ttf t5.enc
> t5-raw-genar101 GentiumAlt 4 < genar101.ttf t5.enc
> t5-raw-geni101 Gentium-Italic 4 < geni101.ttf t5.enc
> t5-raw-genr101 Gentium 4 < genr101.ttf t5.enc
> t5-raw-genai102 GentiumAlt-Italic 4 < genai102.pfb t5.enc
> t5-raw-genar102 GentiumAlt 4 < genar102.pfb t5.enc
> t5-raw-geni102 Gentium-Italic 4 < geni102.pfb t5.enc
> t5-raw-genr102 Gentium 4 < genr102.pfb t5.enc
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -------------------------------------------------
> Why 1.01 ttf are still there ? And why 1.02 PFB while there are only
> TTF in your package ?

texfont never deletes a mapfile - it writes not only a .bak, but also  
only appends entries, even if the old stuff is wrong...
Additionally, it always writes entries for PFB files, even if there  
are only TTF. A known bug (at least for me), but sometimes I forget  
to fix that.

Ok, I'm uploading the next version.

> 2. I don't think that files fonts.cache-1 are necessary for  
> ConTeXt :-)

You're right, but they don't hurt also ;-)

I tried to config pango/fontconfig of my LilyPond installation so  
that it also finds TeX fonts.
Until now it only writes these cache files, but never uses the fonts...

At the moment I'm struggling with a font that uses different names in  
PFB, AFM and else. Chaos!
It doesn't even provide accentes characters. I guess I'll drop it.

Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
http://www.fiee.net
http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[VnPenguin]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 664 bytes --]

On 1/21/06, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> Ok, I'm uploading the next version.

Just tested.

...
 ){/work/apps/teTeX/share/texmf-local/fonts/enc/dvips/vntex/t5.enc}</work/apps/
teTeX/share/texmf-local/fonts/truetype/sil/gentium/genr102.ttf
Warning: pdfetex (file /work/apps/teTeX/share/texmf-local/fonts/truetype/sil/ge
ntium/genr102.ttf): glyph `dcroat' not found
>
Output written on test-gentium.pdf (1 page, 25034 bytes).
Transcript written on test-gentium.log.

The glyph "dcroat" was not found :( I think there is problem in
Gentium fonts with this glyph.

Thank you,
Regards,

--
http://vnoss.org
Vietnamese Open Source Software Community

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 139 bytes --]

_______________________________________________
ntg-context mailing list
ntg-context@ntg.nl
http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-22 um 08:03 schrieb VnPenguin:
> ...
>  ){/work/apps/teTeX/share/texmf-local/fonts/enc/dvips/vntex/t5.enc} 
> </work/apps/
> teTeX/share/texmf-local/fonts/truetype/sil/gentium/genr102.ttf
> Warning: pdfetex (file /work/apps/teTeX/share/texmf-local/fonts/ 
> truetype/sil/ge
> ntium/genr102.ttf): glyph `dcroat' not found
>>
> Output written on test-gentium.pdf (1 page, 25034 bytes).
> Transcript written on test-gentium.log.
>
> The glyph "dcroat" was not found :( I think there is problem in
> Gentium fonts with this glyph.

Yes, I saw that.
For pdfTeX's tool ttf2afm doesn't see a lot of letters in some fonts  
I guess pdfTeX's code for accessing letters in TT fonts is somewhat  
broken.
Or something in ConTeXt, I don't know.

E.g. if I install the Junicode fonts with texfont, the t5 table is  
half empty. If I create the AFMs with FontForge, it's mostly filled,  
but I get some of the glyph ... not found' warnings, i.e. it can  
access some more characters, but still not all.
But *all* of the characters should be there (they *are* in the font!).
'dcroat' (striked-through d) is a typical case.

Please, any of the wizards, what can we do?


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
http://contextgarden.net
http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[VnPenguin]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 309 bytes --]

On 1/22/06, Henning Hraban Ramm <hraban@fiee.net> wrote:
>
> Please, any of the wizards, what can we do?

I asked Han The Thanh this problem. He has done support for MS Core
Fonts (truetype) in VnTeX. So I hope he will give us some help.

Thanks,
--
http://vnoss.org
Vietnamese Open Source Software Community

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 139 bytes --]

_______________________________________________
ntg-context mailing list
ntg-context@ntg.nl
http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Jan 22, 2006, at 1:36 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> E.g. if I install the Junicode fonts with texfont, the t5 table is  
> half empty. If I create the AFMs with FontForge, it's mostly  
> filled, but I get some of the glyph ... not found' warnings, i.e.  
> it can access some more characters, but still not all.
> But *all* of the characters should be there (they *are* in the font!).
> 'dcroat' (striked-through d) is a typical case.
>
> Please, any of the wizards, what can we do?
>
>

OK, this may not be of much help, but I just converted GenR102.TTF to  
pfb via fontforge, and now the font correctly picks up the dcroat  
glyph. I mus admit I had similar situations in the past where simply  
regenerating the font would solve mysterious problems, so I shrugged  
my shoulders and did what a man must do. I think the new Gentium  
license allows for this conversion, and the LaTeX people will be  
distributing pfbs anyway, so why not convert to pfb (which is easier  
for TeX to use anyway?)

Best

Thomas

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[VnPenguin]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 757 bytes --]

On 1/22/06, Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>
> OK, this may not be of much help, but I just converted GenR102.TTF to
> pfb via fontforge, and now the font correctly picks up the dcroat
> glyph. I mus admit I had similar situations in the past where simply
> regenerating the font would solve mysterious problems, so I shrugged
> my shoulders and did what a man must do. I think the new Gentium
> license allows for this conversion, and the LaTeX people will be
> distributing pfbs anyway, so why not convert to pfb (which is easier
> for TeX to use anyway?)
>

Hi Thomas,
You're completely right ! Just tried with PFB (converted by fontforge)
and it works :)

Thank you,

--
http://vnoss.org
Vietnamese Open Source Software Community

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 139 bytes --]

_______________________________________________
ntg-context mailing list
ntg-context@ntg.nl
http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

Re: font encodings (glyph lossed with Gentium in T5)

[VnPenguin]

> >
> > OK, this may not be of much help, but I just converted GenR102.TTF to
> > pfb via fontforge, and now the font correctly picks up the dcroat
> > glyph. I mus admit I had similar situations in the past where simply
> > regenerating the font would solve mysterious problems, so I shrugged
> > my shoulders and did what a man must do. I think the new Gentium
> > license allows for this conversion, and the LaTeX people will be
> > distributing pfbs anyway, so why not convert to pfb (which is easier
> > for TeX to use anyway?)
> >
>
> Hi Thomas,
> You're completely right ! Just tried with PFB (converted by fontforge)
> and it works :)
>

Package Gentium (PFB converted by fontforge) with qx,t5,texnansi, ec :

http://people.vnoss.org/~vnpenguin/pub/context/fonts/Gentium102-context.tgz

Tested ok with T5.

--
http://vnoss.org
Vietnamese Open Source Software Community