[NTG-context] Roman numerals typography

[NTG-context] Roman numerals typography

[Damien Thiriet via ntg-context]

Hello,


In French typography, roman numerals are usually typeset being connected 
with a top bar and a lower bar, at least when it comes to century 
numbers (should be also small caps, something I discovered today). Since 
I am not sure my vocabulary suits to this reality, you can see a sample 
looking at photos displayed in this online article

https://fr.cultura10.com/r%C3%A8gles-d%27%C3%A9criture-des-nombres-romains/

I have been simulating this with kerning for several years, but I 
recently switched from Latin Modern Sans to Luciole (both 24pt) for my 
presentations and I have to redesign this issue. So it is a good 
opportunity to find some a better alternative than stuff like 
\def\III{{\rm I\kern -1.3pt I\kern -1.3pt I}}, working at the font level 
or with a ConTeXt built-in macro.
Several questions:

1) Is this already implemented in ConTeXt (I don't have time to reinvent 
the wheel once more)? The sample I looked at in the \Romannumeral wiki 
page doesn't implement this, but they may be alternative I am not aware 
of.
2) If it isn't, I think the best way would be to add a font extension, 
using hits given by Hans in the 11th meeting proceedings. However, what 
would be the best idea: playing with kerning, or with ligatures?

Thanks for your advices,


Damien Thiriet
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[NTG-context] Re: Roman numerals typography

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi Damien,

I might misunderstand what you want, but you could play with this:

\definecharacterkerning
  [FrenchRoman]
  [factor=-0.1]

\definehighlight
  [FrenchRoman]
  [style=\setcharacterkerning[FrenchRoman]]

\startTEXpage[offset=1DK]

\dorecurse{20}{%
#1: \Romannumerals{#1} or \FrenchRoman{\Romannumerals{#1}}\par
}

\stopTEXpage

/Mikael

On Sat, Dec 7, 2024 at 2:34 PM Damien Thiriet via ntg-context
<ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
> In French typography, roman numerals are usually typeset being connected
> with a top bar and a lower bar, at least when it comes to century
> numbers (should be also small caps, something I discovered today). Since
> I am not sure my vocabulary suits to this reality, you can see a sample
> looking at photos displayed in this online article
>
> https://fr.cultura10.com/r%C3%A8gles-d%27%C3%A9criture-des-nombres-romains/
>
> I have been simulating this with kerning for several years, but I
> recently switched from Latin Modern Sans to Luciole (both 24pt) for my
> presentations and I have to redesign this issue. So it is a good
> opportunity to find some a better alternative than stuff like
> \def\III{{\rm I\kern -1.3pt I\kern -1.3pt I}}, working at the font level
> or with a ConTeXt built-in macro.
> Several questions:
>
> 1) Is this already implemented in ConTeXt (I don't have time to reinvent
> the wheel once more)? The sample I looked at in the \Romannumeral wiki
> page doesn't implement this, but they may be alternative I am not aware
> of.
> 2) If it isn't, I think the best way would be to add a font extension,
> using hits given by Hans in the 11th meeting proceedings. However, what
> would be the best idea: playing with kerning, or with ligatures?
>
> Thanks for your advices,
>
>
> Damien Thiriet
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[NTG-context] Re: Roman numerals typography

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 07.12.24 um 13:57 schrieb Damien Thiriet via ntg-context:
> In French typography, roman numerals are usually typeset being connected 
> with a top bar and a lower bar

Did you try the numbering option "or"?

\convertnumber{or}{12}

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: Roman numerals typography

[Damien Thiriet via ntg-context]

Thanks Hraban, this is exactly what I need! Once more, the stuff I was 
looking for was already implemented in ConTeXt…

> 
> Am 07.12.24 um 13:57 schrieb Damien Thiriet via ntg-context:
>> In French typography, roman numerals are usually typeset being 
>> connected
>> with a top bar and a lower bar
> 
> Did you try the numbering option "or"?
> 
> \convertnumber{or}{12}
> 
> Hraban
> 


Damien
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