justification

justification

[Jörg Hagmann]

Dear list members,
After months of trying to figure out what TeX, ConTeXt etc is and how 
to install everything needed I finally produced my first document. I 
was thrilled when I saw real pdf pages with footnotes and all!

However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many to 
come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are lines 
sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
"\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do 
the trick, but it didn't.  Any suggestions? (I set up ConTeXt on two 
Macs, once with teTeX and once with TeXLive, and on a Mac running 
Mandrakelinux and teTeX - the result was the same (same lines sticking 
out) on all of them).

I am currently writing a textbook and I am looking forward to using 
ConTeXt.

PD Dr.med. Jörg Hagmann-Zanolari
Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics
DKBW, University of Basel
Mattenstrasse 28
CH-4058 Basel
Switzerland
Phone +41 (0)61 6953049

Re: justification

[luigi.scarso]

Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many 
> to come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are 
> lines sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
> "\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do 
> the trick, but it didn't.

Can you give some examples ?

>   Any suggestions? (I set up ConTeXt on two Macs, once with teTeX and 
> once with TeXLive, and on a Mac running Mandrakelinux and teTeX

Brave heart.

> I am currently writing a textbook and I am looking forward to using 
> ConTeXt.

Context IS the right choice.

luigi

Re: justification

[Jörg Hagmann]

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On Apr 15, 2005, at 9:35 AM, luigi.scarso wrote:

> Jörg Hagmann wrote:
>
>> However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many 
>> to come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are 
>> lines sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
>> "\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do 
>> the trick, but it didn't.
>
> Can you give some examples ?

See the attachment (testpage.pdf). There is a line sticking out in this 
way on 3 of 6 pages, plus a few minor protrusions of the width of about 
one character.




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PD Dr.med. Jörg Hagmann-Zanolari
Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics
DKBW, University of Basel
Mattenstrasse 28
CH-4058 Basel
Switzerland
Phone +41 (0)61 6953049

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Re: justification

[Peter Münster]

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> See the attachment (testpage.pdf). There is a line sticking out in this 
> way on 3 of 6 pages, plus a few minor protrusions of the width of about 
> one character.

Hello,
seems to be a problem with non-ascii characters. See also:
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20040109.203000.b863a98b.html

Could you try this?

\enableregime[il1]
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
%% solution:
\usetypescript[modern][texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[modern]
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
\starttext
\dorecurse{65}x übernimmt
\stoptext

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AutoScale and AutoSize

[luigi.scarso]

I have to typeset a small paragraph inside fixed box.
I don't have much control about it's content, so sometimes
text overflow.
I try the following two macros, but they aren't good.



% AutoScaled: not what I really want, but
% sometimes works
%
\def\AutoScaled#1#2#3#4#5{%
% #1 horiz. limit
% #2 unused (maybe vert. limit)
% #3 horiz. scale
% #4 vert. scale
% #5 text
\setbox800=\hbox{\color[black]{\scale[sx=#3,sy=#4]{\bf #5}}}%
\newdimen\ScaleX \ScaleX=#3pt \newdimen\ScaleY \ScaleY=#4pt %%
\newdimen\LimitX \LimitX=#1 %
\ifdim\wd800 > \LimitX %
\edef\Ratio{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr( (2\LimitX/(\wd800 /32768))) }}%
\edef\XSCALE{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr( \Ratio\ScaleX ) }}%
\edef\YSCALE{\withoutpt{\the\dimexpr( \Ratio\ScaleY ) }}%
\setbox800=\hbox{\color[black]{\scale[sx=\XSCALE,sy=\YSCALE]{\bf #5}}}%
\fi%
\box800\relax%
}%%enddef \Autoscaled

%AutoSize is what I really want, but it's
%WRONG!!
\def\AutoSize#1#2#3{%
% #1=string #2=horiz.limit #3=initial font size
\newdimen\Limit \Limit=#2
\newdimen\FontSize \FontSize=#3
\doloop{%
\setbox800=\hbox{#1}%
\ifdim\wd800 <\Limit\exitloop
\else
% WARNING: eat memory , 1bp is bad step,
% force ss .... it's wrong
\advance\FontSize by -1bp\switchtobodyfont[ss,\the\FontSize]%
%%
\fi}%
%\newdimen\Dimen \Dimen=0.35277778\wd800 \pointless\Dimen mm\relax%
\box800\relax%
}


luigi

Re: AutoScale and AutoSize

[Hans Hagen]

luigi.scarso wrote:
> I have to typeset a small paragraph inside fixed box.
> I don't have much control about it's content, so sometimes
> text overflow.
> I try the following two macros, but they aren't good.

see latest magazine for an example + some explanation

Hans

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Re: AutoScale and AutoSize

[luigi.scarso]

Hans Hagen wrote:

>
> see latest magazine for an example + some explanation
>
Great, as usually
(I lose it because if I  I visit
http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-1.htm
and from here I click on previous at bottom right,
I will go
http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-10.htm
which is  mag 0009.
It seems that from mag-0000 you jump to previous mag-0009 and not mag-0010).

I've printed and read it ; if I have understand, I 've tried to do 
something similiar with my \AutoScaled with implicit rettangular shape 
and one line of text;
maybe \AutoSize is not the right way.

luigi

Re: AutoScale and AutoSize

[Hans Hagen]

luigi.scarso wrote:

> It seems that from mag-0000 you jump to previous mag-0009 and not 
> mag-0010).

the zero issue is, well, the zero issue that any magazine has, explaining the 
magazine

Hans

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Re: AutoScale and AutoSize

[luigi.scarso]

Hans Hagen wrote:

> luigi.scarso wrote:
>
>> It seems that from mag-0000 you jump to previous mag-0009 and not 
>> mag-0010).
>
>
> the zero issue is, well, the zero issue that any magazine has, 
> explaining the magazine

Yes, I know (mag-0000 is a meta-magazine... :) )


When I try http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-1.htm
I see
mag-0000, page 1 of 10  and link previous and next (on bottom right)
Click on next:
I am at  http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-2.htm
mag-0001, pag 1 of 10


So on until PAGE 7 OF 10, and click next
I am are at  http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-8.htm
and I see PAGE 8 OF 11. (why?)

Again from start  http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-1.htm
click  on previous:
I am at  http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-10.htm
it's mag-0009, and I see PAGE 10 OF 11.
So previous of first is last -1 .

click on next:
mag-0010, which I had missed last night., which is last.

Maybe a broken link on site ?


luigi

Re: AutoScale and AutoSize

[Hans Hagen]

luigi.scarso wrote:

> Maybe a broken link on site ?

it works ok here; maybe some caching problem on your site?

Hans

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Strange link on pragma site ?

[luigi.scarso]

Dear users,
it seems that I have some problems with
links to magazines.
If I go to mag-0000 at
http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-1.htm

on bottom right there are
PAGE 1 OF 10
and link
'previous'


If I click on 'previous'
I will go to
http://www.pragma-ade.com/show-mag-10.htm
(mag-0009) and on bottom right appears
PAGE 10 of 11
mag-0009 is not last magazine, so from first I jump to last-1 .

Is it right ?
Does anybody have this 'problems' ?

thanks
luigi

Re: AutoScale and AutoSize

[luigi.scarso]

% AutoSize seem better, but
% I must setup ss and tfb inside body
% (I need these) so it's no a general macros
% Same problems of previous version.
%
\def\AutoSize#1#2#3{% #1=string #2=horiz.limit #3=startfont
\newdimen\Limit \Limit=#2 %
\newdimen\FontSize \FontSize=#3 %
\doloop{%
\setbox800=\hbox{\switchtobodyfont[ss,\the\FontSize]\tfb #1}%
\ifdim\wd800 <\Limit\exitloop%
\else%
\ifdim\FontSize <1bp\exitloop%
\else %
\advance\FontSize by -0.5bp%
\fi%
\fi}%
\box800\relax%
}

Re: justification

[Hans Hagen]

Jörg Hagmann wrote:

> However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many to 
> come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are lines 
> sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
> "\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do the 
> trick, but it didn't.  Any suggestions? (I set up ConTeXt on two Macs, 
> once with teTeX and once with TeXLive, and on a Mac running 
> Mandrakelinux and teTeX - the result was the same (same lines sticking 
> out) on all of them).

can you check if you have hyphenation? there have been pattern problems (changes 
in names and such)

btw, doe anyone object if i ship generic context patterns in the main zip?

Hans

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Re: justification

[Jörg Hagmann]

Hyphenation is working. I attached one pdf-page showing the result to a 
previous message which is being "hold for approval".

On Apr 15, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Jörg Hagmann wrote:
>
>> However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many 
>> to come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are 
>> lines sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
>> "\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do 
>> the trick, but it didn't.  Any suggestions? (I set up ConTeXt on two 
>> Macs, once with teTeX and once with TeXLive, and on a Mac running 
>> Mandrakelinux and teTeX - the result was the same (same lines 
>> sticking out) on all of them).
>
> can you check if you have hyphenation? there have been pattern 
> problems (changes in names and such)

PD Dr.med. Jörg Hagmann-Zanolari
Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics
DKBW, University of Basel
Mattenstrasse 28
CH-4058 Basel
Switzerland
Phone +41 (0)61 6953049

Re: justification

[Hans Hagen]

Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Hyphenation is working. I attached one pdf-page showing the result to a 
> previous message which is being "hold for approval".

no attachment here

Hans

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Re: justification

[Jörg Hagmann]

Since the attachment showing one pdf-page doesn't seem to pass through, 
let me describe the outcome:
On 6 pages with mostly default settings, there are 3 lines sticking out 
on the right side by 2- 3 characters ("igt", "mt" and "ng"). In 
addition, there are about 3 smaller defects (ca. 1 character 
protrusions). I am using "il1", and "de" as mainlanguage. 
Interestingly, on 2 pages the defects occur at exactly the same 
distance from the upper edge.

On Apr 15, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Jörg Hagmann wrote:
>
>> However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many 
>> to come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are 
>> lines sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
>> "\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do 
>> the trick, but it didn't.  Any suggestions? (I set up ConTeXt on two 
>> Macs, once with teTeX and once with TeXLive, and on a Mac running 
>> Mandrakelinux and teTeX - the result was the same (same lines 
>> sticking out) on all of them).
>
> can you check if you have hyphenation? there have been pattern 
> problems (changes in names and such)
>
> btw, doe anyone object if i ship generic context patterns in the main 
> zip?
>
> Hans
>
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Hyphenation-paterns was:Re: justification

[Willi Egger]

Hi Hans,

For me that is fine.

Willi

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> 
>> However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many 
>> to come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are 
>> lines sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
>> "\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do 
>> the trick, but it didn't.  Any suggestions? (I set up ConTeXt on two 
>> Macs, once with teTeX and once with TeXLive, and on a Mac running 
>> Mandrakelinux and teTeX - the result was the same (same lines sticking 
>> out) on all of them).
> 
> 
> can you check if you have hyphenation? there have been pattern problems 
> (changes in names and such)
> 
> btw, doe anyone object if i ship generic context patterns in the main zip?
> 
> Hans
> 
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Re: justification

[Willi Egger]

Guata obat!

This is nice, another swiss user! (sorry gang for this bit of patriotism)

In fact if you use \setuptolerance[verystrict] will cause TeX to use as 
few glue as possible, so the possibilities to stretch a line to have a 
better breakpoint is lowered. Instead you might use 
\setuptolerance[tolerant, stretch] or even 
\setuptolerance[verytolerant,stretch]

Kind regards
Willi

Jörg Hagmann wrote:
> Dear list members,
> After months of trying to figure out what TeX, ConTeXt etc is and how to 
> install everything needed I finally produced my first document. I was 
> thrilled when I saw real pdf pages with footnotes and all!
> 
> However, I noticed the following problem (no doubt the first of many to 
> come): justification on the right is far from perfect - there are lines 
> sticking out. After going through the manual, I decided that 
> "\setuptolerance[horizontal,verystrict]" in the setup area should do the 
> trick, but it didn't.  Any suggestions? (I set up ConTeXt on two Macs, 
> once with teTeX and once with TeXLive, and on a Mac running 
> Mandrakelinux and teTeX - the result was the same (same lines sticking 
> out) on all of them).
> 
> I am currently writing a textbook and I am looking forward to using 
> ConTeXt.
> 
> PD Dr.med. Jörg Hagmann-Zanolari
> Institute of Biochemistry and Genetics
> DKBW, University of Basel
> Mattenstrasse 28
> CH-4058 Basel
> Switzerland
> Phone +41 (0)61 6953049
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Re: justification

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 15.04.2005 um 22:12 schrieb Willi Egger:
> This is nice, another swiss user!

Me too ;-)

> In fact if you use \setuptolerance[verystrict] will cause TeX to use 
> as few glue as possible, so the possibilities to stretch a line to 
> have a better breakpoint is lowered. Instead you might use 
> \setuptolerance[tolerant, stretch] or even 
> \setuptolerance[verytolerant,stretch]

I'd suggest
\setuptolerance[{horizontal,verytolerant,stretch},{vertical,strict}]

German has that many long words that I never get nice columns without 
"stretch".

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Re: justification

[Jörg Hagmann]

Thank you for the welcome and the suggestions - they worked. I 
misinterpreted the term "strict", thinking it would apply to 
justification. In the future, I'll try a little harder myself before 
asking the next question!

On Apr 16, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Am 15.04.2005 um 22:12 schrieb Willi Egger:
>> This is nice, another swiss user!

Re: Justification

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/12/2013 2:24 PM, Honza Hejzl wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am sorry I am not using mailing list now.
>
> Please, is there any way to use "full-justify" in context? It is a very
> common typographic rule that if the last line of a paragraph is longer
> (and closer) to its end than is the first-line indent ot the same
> paragraph, it should be justified to the end of the line. In Scribus/InD
> and so on there is typically "full-justify" option in formatting the
> paragraph.
>
> Is there any way?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Kind regards, Honza Hejzl
>
> P. S.:
>
>      xxxx
> xxxxxxx
> xxxxxxx
> xxxxx>

\starttext

\setupalign[verytolerant,stretch] \parfillskip\zeropoint

\input tufte

\stoptext

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Re: Justification

[Hans Hagen]

At 10:44 PM 9/28/2002 +0200, =?iso-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Morawski?= wrote:
>In many cases (long words, IP addresses, URL (written often as a \type{}),
>etc) text looks like this:
>
>
>xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxx
>xx yyyy xxxxxx xx xxxxx xxxxx
>xxxx ccccc xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   <= overfull here
>xx yyyy xxxxxx xx xxxxx xxxxx

\hyphenatedurl{...}
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Re: Justification

[Hans Hagen]

At 07:17 PM 9/30/2002 +0200, you wrote:

> > >
> > >xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxx
> > >xx yyyy xxxxxx xx xxxxx xxxxx
> > >xxxx ccccc xxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   <= overfull here
> > >xx yyyy xxxxxx xx xxxxx xxxxx
> >
> > \hyphenatedurl{...}

hm, no url but aaaaa12345678

so, how about:

\def\hyphenationpoint
   {\ruledhskip\zeropoint}

\def\hyphenated#1%
   {\bgroup
    \!!counta\zerocount
    \def\hyphenated##1{\advance\!!counta\plusone}%
    \handletokens#1\with\hyphenated
    \!!countb\plusone
    \def\hyphenated##1%
      {##1%
       \advance\!!countb\plusone\relax
       \ifnum\!!countb>2 \ifnum\!!countb<\!!counta
         \hyphenationpoint
       \fi\fi}%
    \handletokens#1\with\hyphenated
    \egroup}

\hyphenated{123456789}
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