[NTG-context] sidebar and marginrule not working

[NTG-context] sidebar and marginrule not working

[Hamid,Idris]

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Dear gang,

The appears to be something wrong with the sidebar and marginrule mechanisms. MWE:

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% ConTeXt  ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX

\setupmarginrule[1][rulecolor=darkred]

\definesidebar[Sidebar][rulethickness=0.28pt,distance=3pt,rulecolor=darkgreen]
\setupsidebar[rulecolor=darkgreen]

\starttext
\startmarginrule[1]
\input ward
\stopmarginrule

\blank

\startsidebar[Sidebar]
\input zapf
\stopsidebar
\stoptext
==============

In the output, either

i)  the rules do not appear at all (most attempts); or
ii) the rules appear for a split-second then disappear (using sumatrapdf as the viewer, so the pdf updates on the fly).

Is is a bug?

A second question: Is either mechanism preferable over the other? That is: In LMTX, what is the best mechanism to use?

Thank you in advance for any guidance.

Best wishes
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523


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[NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Idris,

Your code works fine on my machine (version 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX on MacOS 11.7.10). I see both bars correctly.

Best regards: Otared

> On 24 Oct 2023, at 02:24, Hamid,Idris <Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU> wrote:
> 
> Dear gang,
> 
> The appears to be something wrong with the sidebar and marginrule mechanisms. MWE:
> 
> ==============
> % ConTeXt  ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX
> 
> \setupmarginrule[1][rulecolor=darkred] 
> 
> \definesidebar[Sidebar][rulethickness=0.28pt,distance=3pt,rulecolor=darkgreen]
> \setupsidebar[rulecolor=darkgreen] 
> 
> \starttext 
> \startmarginrule[1] 
> \input ward 
> \stopmarginrule 
> 
> \blank 
> 
> \startsidebar[Sidebar] 
> \input zapf 
> \stopsidebar 
> \stoptext
> ==============
> 
> In the output, either
> 
> i)  the rules do not appear at all (most attempts); or
> ii) the rules appear for a split-second then disappear (using sumatrapdf as the viewer, so the pdf updates on the fly).
> 
> Is is a bug?
> 
> A second question: Is either mechanism preferable over the other? That is: In LMTX, what is the best mechanism to use? 
> 
> Thank you in advance for any guidance.
> 
> Best wishes
> -- 
> Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
> Department of Philosophy
> Colorado State University
> Fort Collins, CO 80523
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

[Hamid,Idris]

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Hi Otared,

Many thanks. Could you kindly open the pdf I sent as well? How does that look?

Here, on Windows 11, the bars do not appear on sumatra, adobe, or nitropdf.

Best wishes
Idris

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From "Otared Kavian" <otared@gmail.com<mailto:otared@gmail.com>>
To "Hamid,Idris" <Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU<mailto:Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU>>; "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
Date 10/24/2023 7:18:40 AM
Subject Re: [NTG-context] sidebar and marginrule not working


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Hi Idris,

Your code works fine on my machine (version 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX on MacOS 11.7.10). I see both bars correctly.

Best regards: Otared

On 24 Oct 2023, at 02:24, Hamid,Idris <Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU<mailto:Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU>> wrote:

Dear gang,

The appears to be something wrong with the sidebar and marginrule mechanisms. MWE:

==============
% ConTeXt  ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX

\setupmarginrule[1][rulecolor=darkred]

\definesidebar[Sidebar][rulethickness=0.28pt,distance=3pt,rulecolor=darkgreen]
\setupsidebar[rulecolor=darkgreen]

\starttext
\startmarginrule[1]
\input ward
\stopmarginrule

\blank

\startsidebar[Sidebar]
\input zapf
\stopsidebar
\stoptext
==============

In the output, either

i)  the rules do not appear at all (most attempts); or
ii) the rules appear for a split-second then disappear (using sumatrapdf as the viewer, so the pdf updates on the fly).

Is is a bug?

A second question: Is either mechanism preferable over the other? That is: In LMTX, what is the best mechanism to use?

Thank you in advance for any guidance.

Best wishes
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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Phone: +33 6 88 26 70 95





--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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[NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 24.10.23 um 15:33 schrieb Hamid,Idris:
> Hi Otared,
> 
> Many thanks. Could you kindly open the pdf I sent as well? How does that 
> look?
> 
> Here, on Windows 11, the bars do not appear on sumatra, adobe, or nitropdf.

I checked on MacOS with Preview, Acrobat Pro and PDF Studio – no bars in 
your PDF.

But your code gives apparently correct results on my machine,
ConTeXt  ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX  fmt: 2023.10.19

Maybe try to re-make the format? Check all files in the log – is there 
something from a local/personal texmf tree?

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

[Hamid,Idris]

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From "Henning Hraban Ramm" <texml@fiee.net<mailto:texml@fiee.net>>
To "ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>" <ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
Date 10/24/2023 8:04:34 AM
Subject [NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

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Am 24.10.23 um 15:33 schrieb Hamid,Idris:
Hi Otared,

Many thanks. Could you kindly open the pdf I sent as well? How does that
look?

Here, on Windows 11, the bars do not appear on sumatra, adobe, or nitropdf.

I checked on MacOS with Preview, Acrobat Pro and PDF Studio – no bars in
your PDF.

But your code gives apparently correct results on my machine,
ConTeXt ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX fmt: 2023.10.19

Maybe try to re-make the format? Check all files in the log – is there
something from a local/personal texmf tree?
Many thanks, Henning. I tried remaking the format, updating -- to no avail. The log doesn't seem to show anything unusual, no texmf-project files, etc.

Finally, I shutdown and restarted the system, on the premise that some pdf library or other file is acting up. And voila! it seems to work now -- see attached.

It remains a mystery as to what could possibly have caused this problem, or why a system restart made it go away.

Hopefully the problem will not return, but we'll see..

Thanks to all who replied.

Best wishes
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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[NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

[Hamid,Idris]

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------ Original Message ------
From "Hamid,Idris" <Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU<mailto:Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU>>
To "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
Date 10/23/2023 6:24:38 PM
Subject [NTG-context] sidebar and marginrule not working

Dear gang,

The appears to be something wrong with the sidebar and marginrule mechanisms. MWE:

==============
% ConTeXt  ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX

\setupmarginrule[1][rulecolor=darkred]

\definesidebar[Sidebar][rulethickness=0.28pt,distance=3pt,rulecolor=darkgreen]
\setupsidebar[rulecolor=darkgreen]

\starttext
\startmarginrule[1]
\input ward
\stopmarginrule

\blank

\startsidebar[Sidebar]
\input zapf
\stopsidebar
\stoptext
==============

In the output, either

i)  the rules do not appear at all (most attempts); or
ii) the rules appear for a split-second then disappear (using sumatrapdf as the viewer, so the pdf updates on the fly).

Is this a bug?

A second question: Is either mechanism preferable over the other? That is: In LMTX, what is the best mechanism to use?

Thank you in advance for any guidance.

Here is the pdf that is a result of the MWE above:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/r18ao8dhpz8m5cj3jk7kv/test-sidebar.pdf?rlkey=slgmiu2wst5xfv3adydhbprj4&dl=0

Also attached.

Best wishes
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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[NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

[Hans Hagen]

On 10/24/2023 1:39 PM, Hamid,Idris wrote:
> ------ Original Message ------
>  From "Hamid,Idris" <Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU<mailto:Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU>>
> To "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
> Date 10/23/2023 6:24:38 PM
> Subject [NTG-context] sidebar and marginrule not working
> 
> Dear gang,
> 
> The appears to be something wrong with the sidebar and marginrule mechanisms. MWE:
> 
> ==============
> % ConTeXt  ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX
> 
> \setupmarginrule[1][rulecolor=darkred]
> 
> \definesidebar[Sidebar][rulethickness=0.28pt,distance=3pt,rulecolor=darkgreen]
> \setupsidebar[rulecolor=darkgreen]
> 
> \starttext
> \startmarginrule[1]
> \input ward
> \stopmarginrule
> 
> \blank
> 
> \startsidebar[Sidebar]
> \input zapf
> \stopsidebar
> \stoptext
> ==============
> 
> In the output, either
> 
> i)  the rules do not appear at all (most attempts); or
> ii) the rules appear for a split-second then disappear (using sumatrapdf as the viewer, so the pdf updates on the fly).
> 
> Is this a bug?
maybe your viewer is bugged

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

[Hamid,Idris]

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Date 10/24/2023 6:17:24 AM
Subject [NTG-context] Re: sidebar and marginrule not working

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On 10/24/2023 1:39 PM, Hamid,Idris wrote:
------ Original Message ------
From "Hamid,Idris" <Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU<mailto:Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU><mailto:Idris.Hamid@ColoState.EDU>>
To "mailing list for ConTeXt users" <ntg-context@ntg.nl<mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl><mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>>
Date 10/23/2023 6:24:38 PM
Subject [NTG-context] sidebar and marginrule not working

Dear gang,

The appears to be something wrong with the sidebar and marginrule mechanisms. MWE:

==============
% ConTeXt ver: 2023.09.26 18:19 LMTX

\setupmarginrule[1][rulecolor=darkred]

\definesidebar[Sidebar][rulethickness=0.28pt,distance=3pt,rulecolor=darkgreen]
\setupsidebar[rulecolor=darkgreen]

\starttext
\startmarginrule[1]
\input ward
\stopmarginrule

\blank

\startsidebar[Sidebar]
\input zapf
\stopsidebar
\stoptext
==============

In the output, either

i) the rules do not appear at all (most attempts); or
ii) the rules appear for a split-second then disappear (using sumatrapdf as the viewer, so the pdf updates on the fly).

Is this a bug?
maybe your viewer is bugged

Before sending to the list, I tested the pdf in sumatra (default), adobe, and nitropdf - same result. If three distinct viewers don't show it, then something else must be wrong.

Could you open the pdf I sent to the list? What do you see?

Best wishes
--
Idris Samawi Hamid, Professor
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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