quotes potruding out in the left margin

quotes potruding out in the left margin

[Sandra Snan]

Hi♥

How do I get the quotes to potrude out in the left margin?

For example in the following text, I want the "y" in "you are so" to be
aligned with the "oh" in "oh hi there" and the "here" in "here here".

\definefontfeature
  [default]
  [default]
  [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality]

\setupalign[hz,hanging]

\starttext
oh hi there

"you are so"

here here
\stoptext

Also in the real text I'll also be using
\definefontfamily [praise][serif][junicode]
but, the above min via behavior I couldn't get to work at live.contextgarden
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Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 08:44:
> Hi♥
>
> How do I get the quotes to potrude out in the left margin?
>
> For example in the following text, I want the "y" in "you are so" to be
> aligned with the "oh" in "oh hi there" and the "here" in "here here".
>
> \definefontfeature
>    [default]
>    [default]
>    [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality]
>
> \setupalign[hz,hanging]
>
> \starttext
> oh hi there
>
> "you are so"
>
> here here
> \stoptext
>
> Also in the real text I'll also be using
> \definefontfamily [praise][serif][junicode]
> but, the above min via behavior I couldn't get to work at live.contextgarden

You need proper quotation mark (as shown in my example below) sand not 
". Another option is to use the \quotation command and enable the 
protrusion option for (see \setupquotation).

When you have a text with a lot of quotation marks but your system has 
no easy way to input them you can check if your text editor has smart 
quotes feature which replaces " with the proper quotes.

\definefontfeature
   [default]
   [default]
   [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality]

\setupquotation
   [method=font]

\setupalign[hz,hanging]

\starttext

oh hi there

“you are so”

\quotation{you are so}

here here

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin

[Sandra Snan]

Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, let
alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude.


Wolfgang Schuster <wolfgang.schuster.lists@gmail.com> writes:

> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 08:44:
>> Hi♥
>>
>> How do I get the quotes to potrude out in the left margin?
>>
>> For example in the following text, I want the "y" in "you are so" to be
>> aligned with the "oh" in "oh hi there" and the "here" in "here here".
>>
>> \definefontfeature
>>    [default]
>>    [default]
>>    [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality]
>>
>> \setupalign[hz,hanging]
>>
>> \starttext
>> oh hi there
>>
>> "you are so"
>>
>> here here
>> \stoptext
>>
>> Also in the real text I'll also be using
>> \definefontfamily [praise][serif][junicode]
>> but, the above min via behavior I couldn't get to work at live.contextgarden
>
> You need proper quotation mark (as shown in my example below) sand not 
> ". Another option is to use the \quotation command and enable the 
> protrusion option for (see \setupquotation).
>
> When you have a text with a lot of quotation marks but your system has 
> no easy way to input them you can check if your text editor has smart 
> quotes feature which replaces " with the proper quotes.
>
> \definefontfeature
>    [default]
>    [default]
>    [protrusion=quality,expansion=quality]
>
> \setupquotation
>    [method=font]
>
> \setupalign[hz,hanging]
>
> \starttext
>
> oh hi there
>
> “you are so”
>
> \quotation{you are so}
>
> here here
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52:
> Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden, let
> alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude.

I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the 
quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with 
the quality setting).

I attached the example to ensure nothing was added when I send it.

Wolfgang


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\definefontfeature
  [default]
  [default]
  [protrusion=quality,
   expansion=quality]

\setupquotation
  [method=font]

\setupalign
  [hz,hanging]

\showframe
  [text]
  [text]

\starttext

oh hi there

“you are so”

\quotation{you are so}

here here

\stoptext

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Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin

[denis.maier]

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang
> Schuster
> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08
> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin
> 
> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52:
> > Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden,
> > let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude.
> 
> I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the
> quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with the
> quality setting).
> 

I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with \setupfontprotrusion (see below).
\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin.

I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this.

Denis

========================
%\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left margin
\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default
%\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion
%\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion
%\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion

\definefontfeature
  [default]
  [default]
  [protrusion=quality,
   expansion=quality]

\setupquotation
  [method=font]

\setupalign
  [hz,hanging]

\showframe
  [text]
  [text]

\starttext

oh hi there

“you are so”

\quotation{you are so}

here here

\stoptext
========================
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Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/4/2021 11:20 AM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang
>> Schuster
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08
>> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin
>>
>> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52:
>>> Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden,
>>> let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude.
>>
>> I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the
>> quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with the
>> quality setting).
>>
> 
> I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with \setupfontprotrusion (see below).
> \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin.
> 
> I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this.

multiplication factors

btw, in lmtx you can locally disable protrusion with:

{\noprotrusion \quotation{you are so}}


> Denis
> 
> ========================
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left margin
> \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion
> 
> \definefontfeature
>    [default]
>    [default]
>    [protrusion=quality,
>     expansion=quality]
> 
> \setupquotation
>    [method=font]
> 
> \setupalign
>    [hz,hanging]
> 
> \showframe
>    [text]
>    [text]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> oh hi there
> 
> “you are so”
> 
> \quotation{you are so}
> 
> here here
> 
> \stoptext
> ========================
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Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin

[Sandra Snan]

Thank you both for your help. Additionally, I needed to make sure that
\setupbodyfont comes after all this. But now I've finally got the
margin-potruding quotations of my dreams.

<denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch> writes:

>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang
>> Schuster
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08
>> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin
>> 
>> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52:
>> > Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden,
>> > let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude.
>> 
>> I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the
>> quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with the
>> quality setting).
>> 
>
> I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with \setupfontprotrusion (see below).
> \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin.
>
> I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this.
>
> Denis
>
> ========================
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left margin
> \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion
> %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion
>
> \definefontfeature
>   [default]
>   [default]
>   [protrusion=quality,
>    expansion=quality]
>
> \setupquotation
>   [method=font]
>
> \setupalign
>   [hz,hanging]
>
> \showframe
>   [text]
>   [text]
>
> \starttext
>
> oh hi there
>
> “you are so”
>
> \quotation{you are so}
>
> here here
>
> \stoptext
> ========================
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Re: quotes potruding out in the left margin

[Michael Guravage]

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If you were to add a start-stopquotation block to Wolfgang's example, you'd
see that the resulting paragraph has lost its narrowness. Is there a way to
allow quotes to protrude into the left margin while preserving the
narrowness of start-stopquotation blocks? My own solution is not to
\setupquotation[method=font] but to define a delimited text environment
whose method=font, and use it when a paragraph begins with a quotation.

I have attached my own mwe. You can toggle the \setquotation command with
--mode=font.

Does anyone have a more elegant, or better yet, a correct solution?

With kind regards,

Michael



On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 7:36 AM Sandra Snan <sandra.snan@idiomdrottning.org>
wrote:

> Thank you both for your help. Additionally, I needed to make sure that
> \setupbodyfont comes after all this. But now I've finally got the
> margin-potruding quotations of my dreams.
>
> <denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch> writes:
>
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: ntg-context <ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> Im Auftrag von Wolfgang
> >> Schuster
> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Juni 2021 10:08
> >> An: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
> >> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] quotes potruding out in the left margin
> >>
> >> Sandra Snan schrieb am 04.06.2021 um 09:52:
> >> > Oh, the example you just posted doesn't work on live.contextgarden,
> >> > let alone on my installation. The quotation marks still don't potrude.
> >>
> >> I tested my example on the garden and got the expected output with the
> >> quotation marks in the margin (only partially but this is normal with
> the
> >> quality setting).
> >>
> >
> > I can confirm that this works. As Wolfgang notes protrusion is only
> partial with the default settings, but you can tweak it with
> \setupfontprotrusion (see below).
> > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] is probably what you want since
> this puts the complete quotation mark into the margin.
> >
> > I don't know what the numbers mean. Maybe someone can add to this.
> >
> > Denis
> >
> > ========================
> > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=0] % no protrusion on the left
> margin
> > \setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1] % default
> > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=1.5] % more protrustion
> > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2] % even more protrustion
> > %\setupfontprotrusion [quality] [left=2.5] % too much protrusion
> >
> > \definefontfeature
> >   [default]
> >   [default]
> >   [protrusion=quality,
> >    expansion=quality]
> >
> > \setupquotation
> >   [method=font]
> >
> > \setupalign
> >   [hz,hanging]
> >
> > \showframe
> >   [text]
> >   [text]
> >
> > \starttext
> >
> > oh hi there
> >
> > “you are so”
> >
> > \quotation{you are so}
> >
> > here here
> >
> > \stoptext
> > ========================
> >
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> to the Wiki!
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> >
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>

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\showgrid
\showframe[text][text]

\setupwhitespace[medium]
\setuplayout[grid=yes]

\definefontfeature
  [default]
  [default]
  [protrusion=quality,
   expansion=quality]
\setupalign[hz,hanging]

% Definition inherits, followed by setting up
\definedelimitedtext[parquote][quotation]
\setupdelimitedtext[parquote][method=font]
\def\parquotation#1{\startparquote{#1}\stopparquote}

% Provide protrusion for quotations.
\startmode[font]
  \setupquotation[method=font] % Toggle this line to see the effect.
\stopmode

\starttext
  \quotation{Love makes the world go round,}as an old proverb has it\ldots

  “Love makes the world go round,” as an old proverb has it\ldots

  \parquotation{Love makes the world go round,} as an old proverb has it\ldots

  \startquotation
    \input tufte
  \stopquotation

\stoptext

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