[NTG-context] sectionblocks (matters)

[NTG-context] sectionblocks (matters)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Hi, my book is nearly finished, but it has one page too much.
I could shorten one, but it doesn’t help, because the appendix insists 
to start on a right page (after an empty left page).

This is my setup:

\setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no,number=no]
\setupsectionblock[bodypart][page=right,number=yes,setups=headeryes]
\setupsectionblock[appendix][page=no,number=yes,setups=headeryes]

"setups=headeryes" just changes the header texts; I also tried without.

How can I force my appendices to start on a left page? (No, page=left 
doesn’t help, it inserts another 2 pages.)

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

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Hi,

Before trying further tweaks, could we first clarify which /systemic/ 
constraints are active here, and which /local/ ones apply to the 
appendix block? In particular:

  *

    Is the document globally set to |doublesided=yes|?

  *

    Do the heads (e.g. |\setuphead[chapter]|) enforce |page=right|?

  *

    Are there any |openright|-style settings in the environment?

  *

    Does |\startappendices| implicitly alter page behaviour?

It seems likely that multiple constraints are being combined:

  *

    the |\setupsectionblock[appendix][page=…]|,

  *

    plus a head-level |page=right|,

  *

    possibly plus double-sided layout logic.

That might explain why |page=left| results in /two/ inserted pages: 
ConTeXt satisfies one constraint, then re-adjusts for another.

So the real question may be: which pagination rule has priority here?

Best//JP


Le 13/02/2026 à 23:23, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit :
> Hi, my book is nearly finished, but it has one page too much.
> I could shorten one, but it doesn’t help, because the appendix insists 
> to start on a right page (after an empty left page).
>
> This is my setup:
>
> \setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no,number=no]
> \setupsectionblock[bodypart][page=right,number=yes,setups=headeryes]
> \setupsectionblock[appendix][page=no,number=yes,setups=headeryes]
>
> "setups=headeryes" just changes the header texts; I also tried without.
>
> How can I force my appendices to start on a left page? (No, page=left 
> doesn’t help, it inserts another 2 pages.)
>
> Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/13/26 23:23, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Hi, my book is nearly finished, but it has one page too much.
> I could shorten one, but it doesn’t help, because the appendix insists 
> to start on a right page (after an empty left page).
> […]
> How can I force my appendices to start on a left page? (No, page=left 
> doesn’t help, it inserts another 2 pages.)

Hi Hraban,

as far as I can see, here are two things involved, the sectionblocks and
the chapter (which by default start on a right page).

The `page` key from `\setupsectionblock` seems to belong to what comes
after that section block (not before).

This is why `page=no` is required in `bodypart` (in `appendix` it avoids
adding an extra blank page at the end of the document).

`\setuphead[chapter]` needs to be `page=yes` (ideally, limited to the
`appendix` section block environment).

This works for me:

  \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided, page=,]
  \setupsectionblock[bodypart][page=no]
  \setupsectionblock[appendix][page=no]
  \startsectionblockenvironment[appendix]
     \setuphead[chapter][page=yes]
  \stopsectionblockenvironment
  \starttext
    \startbodymatter
     \startchapter[title=Body]
      \input knuth
     \stopchapter
    \stopbodymatter
    \startappendices
     \startchapter[title=Appendix]
      \blank[.25th]\input zapf
     \stopchapter
    \stopappendices
  \stoptext

BTW, all credit goes to Wolfgang, since he explained this fix (or a very
similar solution) to a very similar issue I had years ago. (Of course, I
cannot recall the details right now, but he was the one that helped me
to solve the mess back then).

I really hope it helps to have a good book about ConTeXt,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Am 13.02.2026 um 23:23 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Hi, my book is nearly finished, but it has one page too much.
> I could shorten one, but it doesn’t help, because the appendix insists 
> to start on a right page (after an empty left page).
> 
> This is my setup:
> 
> \setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no,number=no]
> \setupsectionblock[bodypart][page=right,number=yes,setups=headeryes]

The page setting for section blocks is applied at the begin and end of 
the block and therefore forces the next block after bodypart to start on 
a right page.

Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 14.02.26 um 08:35 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>> \setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no,number=no]
>> \setupsectionblock[bodypart][page=right,number=yes,setups=headeryes]
> 
> The page setting for section blocks is applied at the begin and end of 
> the block and therefore forces the next block after bodypart to start on 
> a right page.

Thanks, that’s what I needed to know.
Unfortunately, the empty page is still there, now without header.

Also thanks to Jean-Pierre and Pablo for trying!
I should have mentioned that my chapter setup has [page=yes].

I’ll check the other suspects tonight (expecting visitors now).

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/14/26 09:57, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> [...]
> Thanks, that’s what I needed to know.
> Unfortunately, the empty page is still there, now without header.

You may want to remove the `\startchapter` … `\stopchapter` (or
`\chapter`) right after `\startappendices` and see what happens.

But enjoy your guests now,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

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Hi there !

Like Pablo, I am sure that the Hraban's book will be very precise and 
laid out in an extremely rigorous manner. If I understand correctly (and 
unless I am mistaken), we should aim to achieve something like what is 
suggested in the MWE below?

Best//JP

Note : I propose a commented MWE in order to better understand what may 
be a difficulty in the case presented by Hraban. If this MWE is 
functional but ends with a blank page, it is because the cause is almost 
always one of these two mechanisms:

 1. we artificially force a “fill” at the end of the chapter (|\vfill|)
    and ConTeXt ends up with “empty but legitimate” content on the last
    page;
 2. a “finish” setting (or a block constraint) forces the front/back to
    be completed at the end of the document.

% sectionblock-pageright_hraban-pablo-wolfg.tex
% ==========================================================
% FR : MWE — Démarrage des appendices sur une page gauche (even)
%      tout en gardant les chapitres du corps sur une page droite (odd).
% EN : MWE — Start appendices on a left page (even) while keeping
%      body chapters opening on right pages (odd).
%
% Key idea / Idée clé :
% - FR : \setupsectionblock[...][page=...] agit aux transitions de blocs
%        (début ET fin). Si bodypart impose page=right, il "contamine"
%        le bloc suivant (appendix) et peut générer des blancs.
% - EN : sectionblock "page=" is applied at block boundaries (begin+end),
%        so bodypart[page=right] can force the NEXT block to start on right
%        (and may yield extra blanks).
%
% Therefore / Donc :
% - FR : On met page=no sur les sectionblocks (transitions neutres),
%        et on gère "open right" via \setuphead[chapter] dans bodypart.
% - EN : Use page=no on sectionblocks (neutral transitions), and enforce
%        "open right" via chapter head setup inside bodypart only.
% ==========================================================

\setuppapersize[A5][A5] % FR : format quelconque pour test / EN : any 
test size

\setuplayout[
   backspace=12mm, topspace=12mm,
   width=middle, height=middle,
   header=8mm, footer=10mm,
]

% ----------------------------------------------------------
% FR : Recto/verso (pages left/right) + pagination en pied
% EN : Double-sided layout (left/right pages) + footer numbering
% ----------------------------------------------------------
\setuppagenumbering[
   alternative=doublesided,
   location=footer,
]

% ----------------------------------------------------------
% FR : Sectionblocks — ne PAS imposer de contrainte de page aux transitions
%      (sinon un bodypart "open right" force le bloc suivant à droite,
%       cf. remarque de Wolfgang).
% EN : Sectionblocks — do NOT enforce page constraints at block boundaries
%      (otherwise bodypart "open right" can force the next block to the 
right,
%       cf. Wolfgang’s remark).
% ----------------------------------------------------------
\setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no, number=no]
\setupsectionblock[bodypart] [page=no, number=yes]
\setupsectionblock[appendix] [page=no, number=yes]

% ----------------------------------------------------------
% FR : Dans le bodypart : chapitres "open right" (odd/right)
% EN : In bodypart: chapters open on right-hand pages (odd/right)
% ----------------------------------------------------------
\startsectionblockenvironment[bodypart]
   \setuphead[chapter][page=right]
\stopsectionblockenvironment

% ----------------------------------------------------------
% FR : Dans l’appendix : neutraliser l’open-right du chapitre
%      (Pablo propose page=yes ici : pas de forcing odd/right)
% EN : In appendix: neutralize chapter open-right
%      (Pablo suggests page=yes here: no odd/right forcing)
% ----------------------------------------------------------
\startsectionblockenvironment[appendix]
   \setuphead[chapter][page=yes]
\stopsectionblockenvironment

% ----------------------------------------------------------
% FR : Contenu garanti sur 2 pages (sans dépendre d’un remplissage 
aléatoire)
% EN : Guaranteed two-page content (no reliance on accidental overflow)
% ----------------------------------------------------------
\def\TwoPages{%
   \dorecurse{8}{\input knuth\par}%
   \vfill \page
   \dorecurse{8}{\input knuth\par}%
   \vfill
}

\starttext

% ==========================================================
% FR : Frontmatter (optionnel)
% EN : Frontmatter (optional)
% ==========================================================
\startfrontmatter
   \startchapter[title={Front}]
     \TwoPages
   \stopchapter
\stopfrontmatter

% ==========================================================
% FR : Bodymatter — chapitres sur page droite (odd/right)
% EN : Bodymatter — chapters open on right pages (odd/right)
% ==========================================================
\startbodymatter
   \startchapter[title={Body 1}]
     \TwoPages
   \stopchapter

   \startchapter[title={Body 2}]
     \TwoPages
   \stopchapter
\stopbodymatter

% ==========================================================
% FR : Appendices — FORCER le départ sur une page gauche (even/left)
% EN : Appendices — FORCE start on an even (left) page
%
% FR : On ne le fait QU’UNE FOIS (sinon risques de double-contrainte).
% EN : Do it ONCE only (avoid stacking constraints).
% ==========================================================
\page[even] % FR : page paire = gauche / EN : even page = left

\startappendices
   \startchapter[title={Appendix A}]
     \TwoPages
   \stopchapter

   \startchapter[title={Appendix B}]
     \TwoPages
   \stopchapter
\stopappendices

\stoptext




Le 14/02/2026 à 10:20, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context a écrit :
> On 2/14/26 09:57, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> [...]
>> Thanks, that’s what I needed to know.
>> Unfortunately, the empty page is still there, now without header.
> You may want to remove the `\startchapter` … `\stopchapter` (or
> `\chapter`) right after `\startappendices` and see what happens.
>
> But enjoy your guests now,
>
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

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I answer myself: after reflection, Pablo is right; the extra final page 
does not come from a possible \vfill, but from writing:

\setupagenumbering[alternative=doublesided, location=footer,].

To avoid this final blank page, simply write:

\setuppagenumbering[

alternative=doublesided,

page=,

location=footer,

].

Nevertheless, one might legitimately wonder whether a blank page is not 
necessary in a printed work, after the appendices or indexes. Hraban 
knows more about the rules of printing and typography than I do in this 
regard.

Best//JP


Le 14/02/2026 à 12:56, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context a écrit :
>
> Hi there !
>
> Like Pablo, I am sure that the Hraban's book will be very precise and 
> laid out in an extremely rigorous manner. If I understand correctly 
> (and unless I am mistaken), we should aim to achieve something like 
> what is suggested in the MWE below?
>
> Best//JP
>
> Note : I propose a commented MWE in order to better understand what 
> may be a difficulty in the case presented by Hraban. If this MWE is 
> functional but ends with a blank page, it is because the cause is 
> almost always one of these two mechanisms:
>
>  1. we artificially force a “fill” at the end of the chapter
>     (|\vfill|) and ConTeXt ends up with “empty but legitimate” content
>     on the last page;
>  2. a “finish” setting (or a block constraint) forces the front/back
>     to be completed at the end of the document.
>
> % sectionblock-pageright_hraban-pablo-wolfg.tex
> % ==========================================================
> % FR : MWE — Démarrage des appendices sur une page gauche (even)
> %      tout en gardant les chapitres du corps sur une page droite (odd).
> % EN : MWE — Start appendices on a left page (even) while keeping
> %      body chapters opening on right pages (odd).
> %
> % Key idea / Idée clé :
> % - FR : \setupsectionblock[...][page=...] agit aux transitions de blocs
> %        (début ET fin). Si bodypart impose page=right, il "contamine"
> %        le bloc suivant (appendix) et peut générer des blancs.
> % - EN : sectionblock "page=" is applied at block boundaries (begin+end),
> %        so bodypart[page=right] can force the NEXT block to start on 
> right
> %        (and may yield extra blanks).
> %
> % Therefore / Donc :
> % - FR : On met page=no sur les sectionblocks (transitions neutres),
> %        et on gère "open right" via \setuphead[chapter] dans bodypart.
> % - EN : Use page=no on sectionblocks (neutral transitions), and enforce
> %        "open right" via chapter head setup inside bodypart only.
> % ==========================================================
>
> \setuppapersize[A5][A5] % FR : format quelconque pour test / EN : any 
> test size
>
> \setuplayout[
>   backspace=12mm, topspace=12mm,
>   width=middle, height=middle,
>   header=8mm, footer=10mm,
> ]
>
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> % FR : Recto/verso (pages left/right) + pagination en pied
> % EN : Double-sided layout (left/right pages) + footer numbering
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> \setuppagenumbering[
>   alternative=doublesided,
>   location=footer,
> ]
>
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> % FR : Sectionblocks — ne PAS imposer de contrainte de page aux 
> transitions
> %      (sinon un bodypart "open right" force le bloc suivant à droite,
> %       cf. remarque de Wolfgang).
> % EN : Sectionblocks — do NOT enforce page constraints at block boundaries
> %      (otherwise bodypart "open right" can force the next block to 
> the right,
> %       cf. Wolfgang’s remark).
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> \setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no, number=no]
> \setupsectionblock[bodypart] [page=no, number=yes]
> \setupsectionblock[appendix] [page=no, number=yes]
>
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> % FR : Dans le bodypart : chapitres "open right" (odd/right)
> % EN : In bodypart: chapters open on right-hand pages (odd/right)
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> \startsectionblockenvironment[bodypart]
>   \setuphead[chapter][page=right]
> \stopsectionblockenvironment
>
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> % FR : Dans l’appendix : neutraliser l’open-right du chapitre
> %      (Pablo propose page=yes ici : pas de forcing odd/right)
> % EN : In appendix: neutralize chapter open-right
> %      (Pablo suggests page=yes here: no odd/right forcing)
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> \startsectionblockenvironment[appendix]
>   \setuphead[chapter][page=yes]
> \stopsectionblockenvironment
>
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> % FR : Contenu garanti sur 2 pages (sans dépendre d’un remplissage 
> aléatoire)
> % EN : Guaranteed two-page content (no reliance on accidental overflow)
> % ----------------------------------------------------------
> \def\TwoPages{%
>   \dorecurse{8}{\input knuth\par}%
>   \vfill \page
>   \dorecurse{8}{\input knuth\par}%
>   \vfill
> }
>
> \starttext
>
> % ==========================================================
> % FR : Frontmatter (optionnel)
> % EN : Frontmatter (optional)
> % ==========================================================
> \startfrontmatter
>   \startchapter[title={Front}]
>     \TwoPages
>   \stopchapter
> \stopfrontmatter
>
> % ==========================================================
> % FR : Bodymatter — chapitres sur page droite (odd/right)
> % EN : Bodymatter — chapters open on right pages (odd/right)
> % ==========================================================
> \startbodymatter
>   \startchapter[title={Body 1}]
>     \TwoPages
>   \stopchapter
>
>   \startchapter[title={Body 2}]
>     \TwoPages
>   \stopchapter
> \stopbodymatter
>
> % ==========================================================
> % FR : Appendices — FORCER le départ sur une page gauche (even/left)
> % EN : Appendices — FORCE start on an even (left) page
> %
> % FR : On ne le fait QU’UNE FOIS (sinon risques de double-contrainte).
> % EN : Do it ONCE only (avoid stacking constraints).
> % ==========================================================
> \page[even] % FR : page paire = gauche / EN : even page = left
>
> \startappendices
>   \startchapter[title={Appendix A}]
>     \TwoPages
>   \stopchapter
>
>   \startchapter[title={Appendix B}]
>     \TwoPages
>   \stopchapter
> \stopappendices
>
> \stoptext
>
>
>
>
> Le 14/02/2026 à 10:20, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context a écrit :
>> On 2/14/26 09:57, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Thanks, that’s what I needed to know.
>>> Unfortunately, the empty page is still there, now without header.
>> You may want to remove the `\startchapter` … `\stopchapter` (or
>> `\chapter`) right after `\startappendices` and see what happens.
>>
>> But enjoy your guests now,
>>
>> Pablo
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>
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 14.02.26 um 13:19 schrieb Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context:
> I answer myself: after reflection, Pablo is right; the extra final page 
> does not come from a possible \vfill, but from writing:
> 
> \setupagenumbering[alternative=doublesided, location=footer,].
> 
> To avoid this final blank page, simply write:
> 
> \setuppagenumbering[
> alternative=doublesided,
> page=,
> location=footer,
> ].

Well, I have location=none since my header and footer setups work 
differently, and "page=," (or page=no) doesn’t help.

I’m checking other options…

> Nevertheless, one might legitimately wonder whether a blank page is not 
> necessary in a printed work, after the appendices or indexes. Hraban 
> knows more about the rules of printing and typography than I do in this 
> regard.

I wouldn’t care about a blank page before the appendices, and I prefer 
chapters starting on a right page, but I need to prune one page, and an 
empty one makes the most sense.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 14.02.26 um 18:10 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> I’m checking other options…

Ok, I got it.
I was calling \setuppagenumbering[state=start] in setups twice, 
apparently that was too much.

I also found that \adaptlayout influenced my header & footer 
calculations and how compact fonts can fail…

I guess this book is complete now (for the first edition).

Thanks for all the help!

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/14/26 19:53, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 14.02.26 um 18:10 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>> I’m checking other options…
> 
> Ok, I got it.
> I was calling \setuppagenumbering[state=start] in setups twice, 
> apparently that was too much.

Glad to read that you solved the issue, Hraban.

I must confess I didn’t know that there was such an option. According to
https://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf#search=setuppagenumbering,
this seems to be the default (if I’m not wrong).

Sorry, but what is the effect of `\setupppagenumbering[state=start]`
added to your documents?

> I guess this book is complete now (for the first edition).
> 
> Thanks for all the help!

Just a final recommendation, if the book is also planned as pure PDF
download, don’t forget to add convenient "\setupinteraction" values.

Congratulations for your new book,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 15.02.26 um 11:44 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
> I must confess I didn’t know that there was such an option. According to
> https://www.pragma-ade.com/general/qrcs/setup-en.pdf#search=setuppagenumbering,
> this seems to be the default (if I’m not wrong).
> 
> Sorry, but what is the effect of `\setupppagenumbering[state=start]`
> added to your documents?

Well, you can switch the page numbering on and off.

I didn’t want page numbers in the front matter, and I have quite 
involved headers (and footers). To avoid repeated lines of code in my 
product file, I made several setups that I hooked into the 
sectionblocks. But since that apparently wasn’t enough, I also called 
the setups at the start of the section block.

Don’t ask me why, I’m working on this book since 2017 and probably made 
some bad choices or needed to work around current issues along the way.

>> I guess this book is complete now (for the first edition).
>>
>> Thanks for all the help!
> 
> Just a final recommendation, if the book is also planned as pure PDF
> download, don’t forget to add convenient "\setupinteraction" values.

Who do you think I am that I wouldn’t consider that?
And yes, I omitted the "doublesided" setting.

This is my most consulted manual, and it always needed to work for me.

I really don’t like working with PDFs where there’s no link interaction 
& no bookmarks for the structure. Looking at you, Hans!

> Congratulations for your new book,

Thank you!

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/15/26 12:15, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 15.02.26 um 11:44 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
>> […]
>> Sorry, but what is the effect of `\setupppagenumbering[state=start]`
>> added to your documents?
> 
> Well, you can switch the page numbering on and off.

I see, as far as I can remember, my approach to that was different: I
even created new sectionblocks and I configured them with sectionblock
environments (as far as I can recall that [it was long time ago…] 😅).

>> Just a final recommendation, if the book is also planned as pure PDF
>> download, don’t forget to add convenient "\setupinteraction" values.
> 
> Who do you think I am that I wouldn’t consider that?
> And yes, I omitted the "doublesided" setting.

Well, I just meant `focus=standard` and `prefix=target-` (or almost any
other value for that option, since its default [`#`] is technically
invalid).

As you already know (much better than me, but this is a way of
advertising the features), the first option makes following links to and
from footnotes not a pain when browsing the PDF document in “fit to
width”-mode.

The second option improves urls with fragment identifiers, such as
https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdfstandards/PDF32000_2008.pdf#nameddest=https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdfstandards/PDF32000_2008.pdf#G11.1947713
(as per
https://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfc8118.txt.pdf#search=nameddest), but
both search and unique identifiers work with “PDF.js” (”Firefox“
built-in PDF viewer), not with the PDF viewer from “Edge” (and probably
“Chrome”).

Congratulations again for the new book. May its high sales require (at
least, English and Spanish) translations,

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 15.02.26 um 12:48 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
>> Who do you think I am that I wouldn’t consider that?
>> And yes, I omitted the "doublesided" setting.
> 
> Well, I just meant `focus=standard` and `prefix=target-` (or almost any
> other value for that option, since its default [`#`] is technically
> invalid).

Ok, you’re right. While I copied your suggestion to every other project, 
I didn’t copy it to this book. Fixed. I’ll try to fit in the explanation.

> As you already know (much better than me, but this is a way of
> advertising the features), the first option makes following links to and
> from footnotes not a pain when browsing the PDF document in “fit to
> width”-mode.
> 
> The second option improves urls with fragment identifiers, such as
> https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdfstandards/PDF32000_2008.pdf#nameddest=https://opensource.adobe.com/dc-acrobat-sdk-docs/pdfstandards/PDF32000_2008.pdf#G11.1947713
> (as per
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/pdfrfc/rfc8118.txt.pdf#search=nameddest), but
> both search and unique identifiers work with “PDF.js” (”Firefox“
> built-in PDF viewer), not with the PDF viewer from “Edge” (and probably
> “Chrome”).
> 
> Congratulations again for the new book. May its high sales require (at
> least, English and Spanish) translations,

I have ideas for an English/international edition that I’d like to 
discuss (in a new thread); the current edition is quite German-centered, 
there are things that don’t apply to most other countries/languages, and 
it would be necessary to include more international options; let’s 
discuss which other languages make sense (would that be European Spanish 
or one of the American ones?), I couldn’t help with any.

A much lower hanging fruit would be updating and extending the “not so 
short introduction”, 
https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 15.02.26 um 13:01 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
> Ok, you’re right. While I copied your suggestion to every other project, 
> I didn’t copy it to this book. Fixed. I’ll try to fit in the explanation.

I don’t really explain interaction options in the book and I didn’t want 
to add more pages (I could have documented so much more…), so I just say 
it enhances the link behavior.

I added a bit about the so far undocumented `prefix` to 
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupinteraction

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/15/26 13:18, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 15.02.26 um 13:01 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:
>> Ok, you’re right. While I copied your suggestion to every other project, 
>> I didn’t copy it to this book. Fixed. I’ll try to fit in the explanation.
> 
> I don’t really explain interaction options in the book and I didn’t want 
> to add more pages (I could have documented so much more…), so I just say 
> it enhances the link behavior.

Probably you don’t need to explain all options in your book (otherwise,
you may end up renaming your book to »Die ConTeXtpädie«). But
benefitting from some options is perfectly fine.

> I added a bit about the so far undocumented `prefix` to 
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupinteraction.

Many thanks for that. I modified the `focus=standard` (and `width`,
`height` and `fit`) a bit.

`prefix` was a kind addition by Hans after discussing with me what after
that became its default value (named references starting with `#`). It
took place in the dev-context mailing list, since I started the thread
with a patch.

Many thanks for your work with the wiki,

Pabl
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 2/15/26 13:01, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 15.02.26 um 12:48 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
>> [...]
>> Congratulations again for the new book. May its high sales require (at
>> least, English and Spanish) translations,
> 
> I have ideas for an English/international edition that I’d like to 
> discuss (in a new thread); the current edition is quite German-centered, 
> there are things that don’t apply to most other countries/languages, and 
> it would be necessary to include more international options;

Well, first I wanted to write versions, since this is what they have to be.

Looking forward that new thread about the English/international edition.

> let’s discuss which other languages make sense (would that be
> European Spanish or one of the American ones?), I couldn’t help with
> any.
As for Spanish, I’d rather say that it would be similar with German
(Austrian and Swiss variants aren’t exactly the same): European Spanish,
but modified to avoid the rough spots (avoid “coger” by all means, to
name an example).

> A much lower hanging fruit would be updating and extending the “not so 
> short introduction”, 
> https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context

This is a different issue, since explanations benefit from different
approaches.

Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

Hraban, Pablo,

I see that the day has been rich in exchanges and discussions that 
interest me in several ways. Firstly, because it seems to me that 
“Drucksachen mit ConTeXt” (from what I have been able to gather) 
provides a very precise and unique insight into the implementation of 
ConTeXt, and from this point of view I join Pablo in congratulating the 
author on his admirable determination to produce such a useful work. 
However, I would not compare “Drucksachen mit ConTeXt” with “A Not So 
Short Introduction.” That would not be very interesting, even if the 
comparison is legitimate. On the other hand, delving into technical 
details that may be useful to people whose job is to make books, 
especially by documenting thoughts that are not readily accessible when 
it comes to ConTeXt, deserves an international (English) version and 
perhaps also, as Pablo points out, localized versions in European 
languages (after all, many of us think and communicate in languages 
other than English).

For my part, I have been working for months (when I have a little time 
for it) on developing a kind of “ConTeXt Manual for the Humanities,” 
precisely to try to make public MWEs on specific topics that are of 
primary interest to academics working on ancient or rare languages who 
know nothing other than their experience with LaTeX.

This gives me the opportunity to explore the facets and potential of 
ConTeXt. In addition, I have a large translation project ahead of me 
that I hope to publish, and I am using the ‘environment’ method for this.

It seems fairly simple (frontmatter, bodymatter, backmatter; ‘env’ 
directories, etc.), yet I'm having a hell of a time numbering the 
frontmatter pages in Roman numerals and the rest in Arabic numerals, and 
handling the indexes correctly. I'm having similar problems to Hraban 
with blank, unnumbered pages, etc. These situations make me grateful 
once again (or yet again) to the contributors to the discussion list for 
their insights and the help they often provide unexpectedly but always 
quickly. Thank you folks and thank you Hraban, for your work!

Best//JP

Le 15/02/2026 à 14:57, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context a écrit :
> On 2/15/26 13:01, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Am 15.02.26 um 12:48 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
>>> [...]
>>> Congratulations again for the new book. May its high sales require (at
>>> least, English and Spanish) translations,
>> I have ideas for an English/international edition that I’d like to
>> discuss (in a new thread); the current edition is quite German-centered,
>> there are things that don’t apply to most other countries/languages, and
>> it would be necessary to include more international options;
> Well, first I wanted to write versions, since this is what they have to be.
>
> Looking forward that new thread about the English/international edition.
>
>> let’s discuss which other languages make sense (would that be
>> European Spanish or one of the American ones?), I couldn’t help with
>> any.
> As for Spanish, I’d rather say that it would be similar with German
> (Austrian and Swiss variants aren’t exactly the same): European Spanish,
> but modified to avoid the rough spots (avoid “coger” by all means, to
> name an example).
>
>> A much lower hanging fruit would be updating and extending the “not so
>> short introduction”,
>> https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context
> This is a different issue, since explanations benefit from different
> approaches.
>
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Jim]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 13:01 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Am 15.02.26 um 12:48 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:

>> Congratulations again for the new book. May its high sales require (at
>> least, English and Spanish) translations,

Hear, hear!

> I have ideas for an English/international edition that I’d like to discuss
> (in a new thread); the current edition is quite German-centered, there are
> things that don’t apply to most other countries/languages, and it would be
> necessary to include more international options; let’s discuss which other
> languages make sense (would that be European Spanish or one of the American
> ones?), I couldn’t help with any.

> A much lower hanging fruit would be updating and extending the “not so short
> introduction”,
> https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context

While I can't comment on whether updating ANSS would be a lower-hanging
fruit than an English edition of your book,
(1) I hear that all of a sudden you have lots of time on your hands.  :-)
(2) I agree that updating and extending ANSS would be a worthwhile project.

To that end... can anyone enlighten me (and other list members) on any of
these points:
(a) Would Joaquín Ataz-López want to retain editorial control?
(b) If not,
    (i)   Is he ok with other people updating and extending this work?
    (ii)  Would he prefer a document with a (slightly?) changed name
          to avoid confusion?
    (iii) Would we need one or more people in charge of accepting changes,
          or does anyone think that it would work if some (carefully
          curated?) selection of contributors were write access to the
          repository?
(c) How can the ConTeXt community get this ball rolling?

Cheers.
                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Joaquín Ataz López]

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Thank you for the message and for the interest in the *ANSS* . Regarding 
the points raised:

  *

    *Editorial control and updates:* I have no problem with the
    community updating and extending the work. I believe the best way to
    ensure its continuity is to make it a collective project.

  *

    *Naming:* I agree that a slight change in the name (perhaps adding
    'Community Edition' or similar) would be useful to avoid confusion
    with the original versions.

  *

    *Management:* I think it would be wise to have a small group of
    coordinators to oversee the changes, although giving write access to
    a selection of trusted contributors is a great way to keep the
    project dynamic.

I am excited to see how the community takes this project forward.

Best regards,

Joaquín"




El 16/2/26 a las 22:10, Jim escribió:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 13:01 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>
>> Am 15.02.26 um 12:48 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
>>> Congratulations again for the new book. May its high sales require (at
>>> least, English and Spanish) translations,
> Hear, hear!
>
>> I have ideas for an English/international edition that I’d like to discuss
>> (in a new thread); the current edition is quite German-centered, there are
>> things that don’t apply to most other countries/languages, and it would be
>> necessary to include more international options; let’s discuss which other
>> languages make sense (would that be European Spanish or one of the American
>> ones?), I couldn’t help with any.
>> A much lower hanging fruit would be updating and extending the “not so short
>> introduction”,
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VcNBshdTO_ve8mOZIclPSqwSciUR25Zo0NhEfAEc_ENp82SOZ6EvDUDPunaPnRo8kv5sPsmJD5v-lEWG3j88$ 
> While I can't comment on whether updating ANSS would be a lower-hanging
> fruit than an English edition of your book,
> (1) I hear that all of a sudden you have lots of time on your hands.  :-)
> (2) I agree that updating and extending ANSS would be a worthwhile project.
>
> To that end... can anyone enlighten me (and other list members) on any of
> these points:
> (a) Would Joaquín Ataz-López want to retain editorial control?
> (b) If not,
>      (i)   Is he ok with other people updating and extending this work?
>      (ii)  Would he prefer a document with a (slightly?) changed name
>            to avoid confusion?
>      (iii) Would we need one or more people in charge of accepting changes,
>            or does anyone think that it would work if some (carefully
>            curated?) selection of contributors were write access to the
>            repository?
> (c) How can the ConTeXt community get this ball rolling?
>
> Cheers.
>                                  Jim
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Departamento de Derecho civil
Universidad de Murcia - España

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[NTG-context] Re: sectionblocks (matters)

[Jim]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2026 at 08:16 (+0100), Joaquín Ataz López wrote:

> Thank you for the message and for the interest in the *ANSS* .

Thanks for getting back!

> Regarding the points raised:

>    *Editorial control and updates:* I have no problem with the
> community updating and extending the work. I believe the best way to
> ensure its continuity is to make it a collective project.

Great.

>    *Naming:* I agree that a slight change in the name (perhaps adding
>    'Community Edition' or similar) would be useful to avoid confusion
> with the original versions.

Also, given that Mk IV has been superseded, I would suggest changing "Mark
IV" in the title to "LMTX".  (And other places will need analogous updates.)

>    *Management:* I think it would be wise to have a small group of
> coordinators to oversee the changes, although giving write access to
> a selection of trusted contributors is a great way to keep the
> project dynamic.

This might be one of the trickier parts to getting things going.

> I am excited to see how the community takes this project forward.

Me too!


Everyone:
---------

Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?


Cheers.

                                Jim



> El 16/2/26 a las 22:10, Jim escribió:
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 13:01 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

>>> Am 15.02.26 um 12:48 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
>>> > Congratulations again for the new book. May its high sales require (at
>>> > least, English and Spanish) translations,
>> Hear, hear!

>>> I have ideas for an English/international edition that I’d like to discuss
>>> (in a new thread); the current edition is quite German-centered, there are
>>> things that don’t apply to most other countries/languages, and it would be
>>> necessary to include more international options; let’s discuss which other
>>> languages make sense (would that be European Spanish or one of the American
>>> ones?), I couldn’t help with any.
>>> A much lower hanging fruit would be updating and extending the “not so short
>>> introduction”,
>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/contextgarden/not-so-short-introduction-to-context__;!!D9dNQwwGXtA!VcNBshdTO_ve8mOZIclPSqwSciUR25Zo0NhEfAEc_ENp82SOZ6EvDUDPunaPnRo8kv5sPsmJD5v-lEWG3j88$
>> While I can't comment on whether updating ANSS would be a lower-hanging
>> fruit than an English edition of your book,
>> (1) I hear that all of a sudden you have lots of time on your hands.  :-)
>> (2) I agree that updating and extending ANSS would be a worthwhile project.

>> To that end... can anyone enlighten me (and other list members) on any of
>> these points:
>> (a) Would Joaquín Ataz-López want to retain editorial control?
>> (b) If not,
>>      (i)   Is he ok with other people updating and extending this work?
>>      (ii)  Would he prefer a document with a (slightly?) changed name
>> to avoid confusion?
>>      (iii) Would we need one or more people in charge of accepting changes,
>> or does anyone think that it would work if some (carefully
>> curated?) selection of contributors were write access to the
>> repository?
>> (c) How can the ConTeXt community get this ball rolling?

>> Cheers.
>> Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS (was: sectionblocks (matters))

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 21.02.26 um 01:16 schrieb Jim:
>> Thank you for the message and for the interest in the *ANSS* .
> 
> Thanks for getting back!
> 
>> Regarding the points raised:
> 
>>     *Editorial control and updates:* I have no problem with the
>> community updating and extending the work. I believe the best way to
>> ensure its continuity is to make it a collective project.
> 
> Great.
> 
>>     *Naming:* I agree that a slight change in the name (perhaps adding
>>     'Community Edition' or similar) would be useful to avoid confusion
>> with the original versions.
> 
> Also, given that Mk IV has been superseded, I would suggest changing "Mark
> IV" in the title to "LMTX".  (And other places will need analogous updates.)
> 
>>     *Management:* I think it would be wise to have a small group of
>> coordinators to oversee the changes, although giving write access to
>> a selection of trusted contributors is a great way to keep the
>> project dynamic.
> 
> This might be one of the trickier parts to getting things going.
> 
>> I am excited to see how the community takes this project forward.
> 
> Me too!
> 
> 
> Everyone:
> ---------
> 
> Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?

Taco?
This would be a good time to move to Codeberg 
(https://codeberg.org/contextgarden); it wouldn’t even need to be under 
the contextgarden account.

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS (was: sectionblocks (matters))

[Taco Hoekwater]

>> Everyone:
>> ---------
>> Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?
> 
> Taco?

Not me.

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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 2/21/2026 10:49 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
>>> Everyone:
>>> ---------
>>> Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?
>>
>> Taco?
> 
> Not me.

Mojca, who else. She can give selective push access etc. After all it 
needs proper management and safeguarding.

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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 21.02.26 um 11:11 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
>>>> Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?
>>>
>>> Taco?
>>
>> Not me.
> 
> Mojca, who else. She can give selective push access etc. After all it 
> needs proper management and safeguarding.

Oops, of course. Mojca became so quiet… (Completeley understandable, she 
recently told me what’s on.)

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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Jim]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 11:11 (+0100), Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

> On 2/21/2026 10:49 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

>>> > Everyone:
>>> > ---------
>>> > Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?

>>> Taco?

>> Not me.

> Mojca, who else. She can give selective push access etc. After all it needs
> proper management and safeguarding.

Does she have time to take this on?

And is there general interest in switching to Codeberg, as Hraban suggests?
(If it is agreed that switching is a good idea, now is better than after
the ball gets rolling.)

                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS (was: sectionblocks (matters))

[Jim]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 09:54 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Am 21.02.26 um 01:16 schrieb Jim:

>> Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?

> Taco?
> This would be a good time to move to Codeberg
> (https://codeberg.org/contextgarden); it wouldn’t even need to be under the
> contextgarden account.

Q1: Who "owns" https://codeberg.org/contextgarden ?

Q2: (I guess I could look this up, but to keep this discussion alive...)
    Does codeberg allow specific repositories to have multiple project
    maintainers, or does a separate account makes more sense for
    something like "ANSS-community edition", where some of the people
    contributing to ANSS-CE have update permission, and other contributors
    can submit pull requests (or send updates some other way)?

                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 2/23/2026 3:57 PM, Jim wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 09:54 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> 
>> Am 21.02.26 um 01:16 schrieb Jim:
> 
>>> Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?
> 
>> Taco?
>> This would be a good time to move to Codeberg
>> (https://codeberg.org/contextgarden); it wouldn’t even need to be under the
>> contextgarden account.
> 
> Q1: Who "owns" https://codeberg.org/contextgarden ?

When owns means 'registered' it's me. When owns means 'wants to figure 
out management of sub things wrt access and security of git' I deny it 
exists.

> Q2: (I guess I could look this up, but to keep this discussion alive...)
>      Does codeberg allow specific repositories to have multiple project
>      maintainers, or does a separate account makes more sense for
>      something like "ANSS-community edition", where some of the people
>      contributing to ANSS-CE have update permission, and other contributors
>      can submit pull requests (or send updates some other way)?

Just register 'contextmanual' and take charge of it. We can always clone 
it in the garden.

Btw, the git server that they use is actually easy to set up on a local 
machine and a well done product.

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Jim Diamond]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 16:18 (+0100), Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 2/23/2026 3:57 PM, Jim wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 09:54 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

>>> Am 21.02.26 um 01:16 schrieb Jim:

>>> > Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?

>> Q1: Who "owns" https://codeberg.org/contextgarden ?

> When owns means 'registered' it's me.

Close enough.

> When owns means 'wants to figure out management of sub things wrt access
> and security of git' I deny it exists.

Smart!


>> Q2: (I guess I could look this up, but to keep this discussion alive...)
>> Does codeberg allow specific repositories to have multiple project
>> maintainers, or does a separate account makes more sense for
>> something like "ANSS-community edition", where some of the people
>> contributing to ANSS-CE have update permission, and other contributors
>> can submit pull requests (or send updates some other way)?

> Just register 'contextmanual' and take charge of it.  We can always clone
> it in the garden.

I have registered anss-ce (in my first act of managerial rebellion, and as
a nod to the original work :-).

I have emailed Joaquín to confirm a point about licensing (codeberg's terms
of use), and, assuming he is OK with it, I will copy the files to codeberg.

To any excited readers: I should once again point out my lack of ConTeXt
                        expertise, and that for this project to be useful,
                        it will require some contributions from people who
                        have some good knowledge.

If you are willing to help and want modification perms on the repository,
please get in touch with me.

> Btw, the git server that they use is actually easy to set up on a local
> machine and a well done product.

That part is good to know.
                                Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context]

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Hi there !

Before getting into practical matters (repository hosting, write access, 
tools, team composition, etc.), I would like to clarify what the 
editorial goal of the ANSS-CE project is meant to be. We obviously 
always need documentation, and the existing ConTeXt documentation — 
manuals, ConTeXt Garden pages, recurring discussions on the mailing list 
or elsewhere — already plays an important and lasting role as a 
documentary resource. At the same time, this documentation is closely 
tied to the ongoing evolution of ConTeXt itself, and it is not uncommon 
for information that was once relevant to become less so, or even 
obsolete, in a different configuration (the transition from Mk IV to 
LMTX being a typical example).

In addition, the needs that are expressed remain very heterogeneous and 
depend strongly on concrete projects, as well as on the level of mastery 
of the tools by those looking for documentation, which often boils down 
to a simple question: /how do I achieve this goal?/
Depending on the case, this may involve structured book composition, XML 
workflows, mathematical documents, flyers, imposed booklets, signed 
PDFs, posters, and so on.

If I understand correctly, the idea would be to take up and extend 
Joaquín’s original ANSS work in order to provide a more structured form 
of documentation, capable both — of accompanying a beginner in a 
progressive understanding of how ConTeXt works, and
— of helping more experienced users retrieve information that is 
currently sometimes scattered across technical documents and highly 
specialized discussions.

Is this indeed the direction in which the project is heading?

It seems to me, in any case, that clarifying this editorial brief — even 
if it is expected to evolve over time — would be a useful step before 
addressing questions of organization and infrastructure. In the context 
of a possible call for contributions, and even though I am currently 
very busy, I would in any case be willing to contribute French 
translations of sections that are considered stable, should this be 
useful to the project.

Best//JP



Le 23/02/2026 à 16:55, Jim Diamond a écrit :
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 16:18 (+0100), Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> On 2/23/2026 3:57 PM, Jim wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 21, 2026 at 09:54 (+0100), Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>>>> Am 21.02.26 um 01:16 schrieb Jim:
>>>>> Speaking of "management", who "owns" the github contextgarden user?
>>> Q1: Who "owns"https://codeberg.org/contextgarden ?
>> When owns means 'registered' it's me.
> Close enough.
>
>> When owns means 'wants to figure out management of sub things wrt access
>> and security of git' I deny it exists.
> Smart!
>
>
>>> Q2: (I guess I could look this up, but to keep this discussion alive...)
>>> Does codeberg allow specific repositories to have multiple project
>>> maintainers, or does a separate account makes more sense for
>>> something like "ANSS-community edition", where some of the people
>>> contributing to ANSS-CE have update permission, and other contributors
>>> can submit pull requests (or send updates some other way)?
>> Just register 'contextmanual' and take charge of it.  We can always clone
>> it in the garden.
> I have registered anss-ce (in my first act of managerial rebellion, and as
> a nod to the original work :-).
>
> I have emailed Joaquín to confirm a point about licensing (codeberg's terms
> of use), and, assuming he is OK with it, I will copy the files to codeberg.
>
> To any excited readers: I should once again point out my lack of ConTeXt
>                          expertise, and that for this project to be useful,
>                          it will require some contributions from people who
>                          have some good knowledge.
>
> If you are willing to help and want modification perms on the repository,
> please get in touch with me.
>
>> Btw, the git server that they use is actually easy to set up on a local
>> machine and a well done product.
> That part is good to know.
>                                  Jim
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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Jim]

On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 18:22 (+0100), Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:

> Hi there !

> Before getting into practical matters (repository hosting, write access,
> tools, team composition, etc.), I would like to clarify what the editorial
> goal of the ANSS-CE project is meant to be. We obviously always need
> documentation, and the existing ConTeXt documentation — manuals, ConTeXt
> Garden pages, recurring discussions on the mailing list or elsewhere —
> already plays an important and lasting role as a documentary resource.  At
> the same time, this documentation is closely tied to the ongoing evolution
> of ConTeXt itself, and it is not uncommon for information that was once
> relevant to become less so, or even obsolete, in a different configuration
> (the transition from Mk IV to LMTX being a typical example).

> In addition, the needs that are expressed remain very heterogeneous and
> depend strongly on concrete projects, as well as on the level of mastery of
> the tools by those looking for documentation, which often boils down to a
> simple question: /how do I achieve this goal?/
> Depending on the case, this may involve structured book composition, XML
> workflows, mathematical documents, flyers, imposed booklets, signed PDFs,
> posters, and so on.

> If I understand correctly, the idea would be to take up and extend Joaquín’s
> original ANSS work

So far, I agree!

> in order to provide a more structured form of documentation, capable both
> — of accompanying a beginner in a progressive understanding of how
> ConTeXt works, and — of helping more experienced users retrieve
> information that is currently sometimes scattered across technical
> documents and highly specialized discussions.

Both of those are laudable goals.

> Is this indeed the direction in which the project is heading?

See below.

> It seems to me, in any case, that clarifying this editorial brief — even
> if it is expected to evolve over time — would be a useful step before
> addressing questions of organization and infrastructure.  In the context
> of a possible call for contributions, and even though I am currently very
> busy, I would in any case be willing to contribute French translations of
> sections that are considered stable, should this be useful to the
> project.

Given that my French is not up to technical writing, your offer to create
French translations is very helpful.  (I would argue your English (at least
in this email) is excellent, so contributions in English would be welcome,
should your busyness decrease suitably!)


I have not thought through the issues of the various translations.  I don't
speak Spanish, and so my contributions will be in the English translation,
even though that isn't (AIUI) the original order in which ANSS was written.
If any contributions to the English version are seen as worthwhile
contributions to other languages, it will require some competent
translators to volunteer their time.

My thoughts about the direction *I* would like to go are as follows:

"Easy" updates:
  -> Fix typos / misspellings.
  -> Edit/rewrite sentences or paragraphs which could benefit from
     wordsmithing.
  -> Remove references to things that don't exist in LMTX
     (e.g., LMTX kaks on \neg and \centerdot when I try to compile ANSS)
     and/or update them appropriately.

"Medium difficulty" updates:
  -> There are some places in the book where JA-L mentions he wasn't
     completely sure what some option did, or didn't see any effect, or ...
     Filling in such information would be useful.
  -> Update for ConTeXt LMTX:
     -> add sections for new features
     -> add sections for "best LMTX practices"
     -> ...
     This is one place where people with reasonably high degrees of
     expertise would be highly beneficial.

"Structural" updates:
  -> There are places in the book where I got bogged down reading details
     that I may never need to know.  Getting back to your comment about
     helping both "beginners" and "experienced users", I think there are
     some chapters and sections that would benefit from a division into two
     sub-parts, roughly categorized as
     -> beginner information / "quick-start" / basics
     and
     -> experienced user / expert / people who want to do "tricky" or
        "unusual" things

These "structural" updates would (I imagine) require much more careful,
big-picture thinking than the other items.


I think it would be great to have a well-thought-out roadmap.  However, as
much as I dislike this expression, I also don't want "perfection" to be the
enemy of "good enough".  Or, put another way, I don't want the idea of
updating ANSS to suffer from "paralysis by analysis" and never go anywhere.

Having said that, if someone (or some people) has (have) a vision for this
project they want to share, I think that would be great.

Finally, here is something I want to clarify:
I would much rather be one of many contributors, as opposed to be the lone
person trying to run this show.  (Just ask any of my former employers and
they will tell you I'm not management material. :-)

My first contribution is trying to take the idea of "an ANSS update" from
theory into practice, and I can do this by making some of the easy updates.

If someone else feels they have the expertise, interest and time to take
the lead on this project, I think that would be great.  Otherwise, I
suppose that everyone who wants to contribute should be able to get good
report card scores in the "plays nicely with others" category.

Cheers.
                                Jim

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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Max Chernoff via ntg-context]

Hi Jim,

On Mon, 2026-02-23 at 11:55 -0400, Jim Diamond wrote:
> If you are willing to help and want modification perms on the repository,
> please get in touch with me.

You can use my server for automated builds if you want. It's the same
system that handles building the ConTeXt Wiki mirror and ConTeXt package
in TeX Live (plus a bunch of my other packages). It has the ConTeXt
Standalone Distribution and TL installed, and it's already set up with
Codeberg and GitHub.

Feel free to email me off-list if you're interested.

Thanks,
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[NTG-context] Re: ANSS

[Joaquín Ataz López]

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    Hi Jim and JP,

    I’ve been following your discussion and I think you are both on the
    right track.

    I wrote ANSS because, although the official ConTeXt documentation is
    abundant and complete, it is often not designed for those who are
    just starting out. I am not an expert myself; in fact, my own
    limitations were what led to the doubts I expressed in some parts of
    the book.

    However, as a teacher, I have experience in explaining complex
    concepts by putting myself in the shoes of someone who doesn't know
    the system yet. I believe this is the key to the book’s success: in
    the ConTeXt ecosystem, there was a need for a bridge between *"An
    excursion to ConTeXt"* and the highly specialized manuals.

    I agree that my work needs a thorough update and expansion, and I
    like the idea of maintaining that pedagogical tone while growing.
    While my active English is limited and my time is short right now, I
    am very interested in seeing this project move forward and I will be
    happy to follow its progress and support it however I can.

    Best regards, Joaquín.

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El 23/2/26 a las 21:07, Jim escribió:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2026 at 18:22 (+0100), Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
>
>> Hi there !
>> Before getting into practical matters (repository hosting, write access,
>> tools, team composition, etc.), I would like to clarify what the editorial
>> goal of the ANSS-CE project is meant to be. We obviously always need
>> documentation, and the existing ConTeXt documentation — manuals, ConTeXt
>> Garden pages, recurring discussions on the mailing list or elsewhere —
>> already plays an important and lasting role as a documentary resource.  At
>> the same time, this documentation is closely tied to the ongoing evolution
>> of ConTeXt itself, and it is not uncommon for information that was once
>> relevant to become less so, or even obsolete, in a different configuration
>> (the transition from Mk IV to LMTX being a typical example).
>> In addition, the needs that are expressed remain very heterogeneous and
>> depend strongly on concrete projects, as well as on the level of mastery of
>> the tools by those looking for documentation, which often boils down to a
>> simple question: /how do I achieve this goal?/
>> Depending on the case, this may involve structured book composition, XML
>> workflows, mathematical documents, flyers, imposed booklets, signed PDFs,
>> posters, and so on.
>> If I understand correctly, the idea would be to take up and extend Joaquín’s
>> original ANSS work
> So far, I agree!
>
>> in order to provide a more structured form of documentation, capable both
>> — of accompanying a beginner in a progressive understanding of how
>> ConTeXt works, and — of helping more experienced users retrieve
>> information that is currently sometimes scattered across technical
>> documents and highly specialized discussions.
> Both of those are laudable goals.
>
>> Is this indeed the direction in which the project is heading?
> See below.
>
>> It seems to me, in any case, that clarifying this editorial brief — even
>> if it is expected to evolve over time — would be a useful step before
>> addressing questions of organization and infrastructure.  In the context
>> of a possible call for contributions, and even though I am currently very
>> busy, I would in any case be willing to contribute French translations of
>> sections that are considered stable, should this be useful to the
>> project.
> Given that my French is not up to technical writing, your offer to create
> French translations is very helpful.  (I would argue your English (at least
> in this email) is excellent, so contributions in English would be welcome,
> should your busyness decrease suitably!)
>
>
> I have not thought through the issues of the various translations.  I don't
> speak Spanish, and so my contributions will be in the English translation,
> even though that isn't (AIUI) the original order in which ANSS was written.
> If any contributions to the English version are seen as worthwhile
> contributions to other languages, it will require some competent
> translators to volunteer their time.
>
> My thoughts about the direction *I* would like to go are as follows:
>
> "Easy" updates:
>    -> Fix typos / misspellings.
>    -> Edit/rewrite sentences or paragraphs which could benefit from
>       wordsmithing.
>    -> Remove references to things that don't exist in LMTX
>       (e.g., LMTX kaks on \neg and \centerdot when I try to compile ANSS)
>       and/or update them appropriately.
>
> "Medium difficulty" updates:
>    -> There are some places in the book where JA-L mentions he wasn't
>       completely sure what some option did, or didn't see any effect, or ...
>       Filling in such information would be useful.
>    -> Update for ConTeXt LMTX:
>       -> add sections for new features
>       -> add sections for "best LMTX practices"
>       -> ...
>       This is one place where people with reasonably high degrees of
>       expertise would be highly beneficial.
>
> "Structural" updates:
>    -> There are places in the book where I got bogged down reading details
>       that I may never need to know.  Getting back to your comment about
>       helping both "beginners" and "experienced users", I think there are
>       some chapters and sections that would benefit from a division into two
>       sub-parts, roughly categorized as
>       -> beginner information / "quick-start" / basics
>       and
>       -> experienced user / expert / people who want to do "tricky" or
>          "unusual" things
>
> These "structural" updates would (I imagine) require much more careful,
> big-picture thinking than the other items.
>
>
> I think it would be great to have a well-thought-out roadmap.  However, as
> much as I dislike this expression, I also don't want "perfection" to be the
> enemy of "good enough".  Or, put another way, I don't want the idea of
> updating ANSS to suffer from "paralysis by analysis" and never go anywhere.
>
> Having said that, if someone (or some people) has (have) a vision for this
> project they want to share, I think that would be great.
>
> Finally, here is something I want to clarify:
> I would much rather be one of many contributors, as opposed to be the lone
> person trying to run this show.  (Just ask any of my former employers and
> they will tell you I'm not management material. :-)
>
> My first contribution is trying to take the idea of "an ANSS update" from
> theory into practice, and I can do this by making some of the easy updates.
>
> If someone else feels they have the expertise, interest and time to take
> the lead on this project, I think that would be great.  Otherwise, I
> suppose that everyone who wants to contribute should be able to get good
> report card scores in the "plays nicely with others" category.
>
> Cheers.
>                                  Jim
>
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