From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,NICE_REPLY_A,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URIBL_SBL_A autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7559 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2023 07:59:05 -0000 Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (5.39.185.232) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jun 2023 07:59:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524FD1C3925; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:58:37 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.ntg.nl Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aYRkMLJCByQg; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:58:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from zapf.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B462A1C391C; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:58:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996441C38EB for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:58:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at zapf.ntg.nl Received: from zapf.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zapf.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZ5dXpg3tB_h for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:58:32 +0200 (CEST) Received-SPF: Pass (mailfrom) identity=mailfrom; client-ip=195.121.94.184; helo=ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl; envelope-from=j.hagen@xs4all.nl; receiver= Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl (ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl [195.121.94.184]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by zapf.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 818A41C3464 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:58:32 +0200 (CEST) X-KPN-MessageId: 40836d36-011b-11ee-ac2e-005056994fde Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.5]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 40836d36-011b-11ee-ac2e-005056994fde; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 09:58:25 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xs4all.nl; s=xs4all01; h=content-type:from:to:subject:mime-version:date:message-id; bh=kGFJN87IFdx0Pyi/63DVMsI1PnV/ekTzLtj+y6w0+Fs=; b=qAz3eFLM8wBpwY2vuj5++O6lIZKbbUdJIV1TP1AsgEZUiimXw2cDozZPUEGawHPVI3OKEpbhRUkce 15bYYMwPcNcDnfDJ6v+tTbhBG8VlHXSdG6kGzdYIbx0SkOid10SeVeGb7HMxybAuDOfZhhr1XVPMie qbDoLIpuYbYSx1uiqD01sZRz0s7K7tdRWmyZBZ7Cz42inX8RfEO1RK9xBKpBzAyLcsvMkyzBXfGln7 NSs/+TUti5heQaNAl1hsvGjJPlgWAGoor3wcmjuQ4KeyowVW5wt6RGt6AFQ602j0hdhZpISVHdSHvB cupHa3PmJcYvYITkgTASPloB0skDHdA== X-KPN-MID: 33|8F2cF8rSmR1NWaBKQOMpvpQmlu89bDHK4xbwzKvTCy5Q56u7o8jHJlr6vfmOlwM yIpPvhk/NXwptu56CBsU6HwA+QLlhWgoddCno7ysUk6Y= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|XjTU029Y2gHeRsKTJb2zzX26rGnTqkTN/7HL0VMhYRMbT23pAaGX74UuCDve5Ij 9woxB5CNd8YAq0qyV3ToabQ== X-Originating-IP: 213.125.29.162 Received: from [10.100.1.105] (d57d1da2.static.ziggozakelijk.nl [213.125.29.162]) by smtp.xs4all.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 445eeb96-011b-11ee-aef3-00505699b758; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 09:58:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:58:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.11.2 Content-Language: en-US To: mailing list for ConTeXt users References: <4d6bfac1-1ce5-fff0-9309-b07b6879eb76@xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [NTG-context] knuth X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.38 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , From: Hans Hagen via ntg-context Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Hans Hagen Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sender: "ntg-context" On 6/2/2023 9:27 AM, BPJ wrote: > I wonder what Knuth would say about having ChatGPT write computer > programs, which I think can be outright dangerous. Either you get shitty > code which doesn't work, which is good, or you get shitty code which > works which is bad or Really Bad. He's pretty clear that he leave that to others and continues with TAOCP. wrt you remark: to a large extend these are 'plagiarism' machines so one can wonder about more. I suppose it also depends on how original these programs are (or become). I don't see myself using such software, just like I don't use all these software coding tools (ide stuff). When I acn't remember what I'm doing, or need constant help popping up I should not code. I'm intrigued of course, and see valid applications, but wrt programming I'm just not that interested. I bet after a few years people get bored with the artificial stuff (painting, music, proze, movies, whatever; just hitting buttons doesn't make a creative person I guess), unless of course one wants to be zombified. 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